what''s the Difference? Ice clear look

[flower12]

sorry ..it might be stupid question but I wonder what''s the diffrence between 2 ring.

last night I was watching 2 ring both eternity .
( almost same style )


one ring is H color and SI1 I don''t know what is about cut of this one

another one is F-G/VS ideal or premium cuts

I put both ring next each another in dark room and couple spot light
then I noticed that the H/SI1 is
much more look ice cube like and much more sparkle

FG/VS is the color is much more white compare H

I am still not good at diamond at all.....so I really don''t know why??

I am really wonder how come the H/SI1 is such clear looks like Ice cube?
I love this Ice clear so much so I would like to know why?
if anybody can tell me please let me know!

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 1/7/2006 4:55:17 PM
Author:flower12
sorry ..it might be stupid question but I wonder what''s the diffrence between 2 ring.

last night I was watching 2 ring both eternity .
( almost same style )


one ring is H color and SI1 I don''t know what is about cut of this one

another one is F-G/VS ideal or premium cuts

I put both ring next each another in dark room and couple spot light
then I noticed that the H/SI1 is
much more look ice cube like and much more sparkle

FG/VS is the color is much more white compare H

I am still not good at diamond at all.....so I really don''t know why??

I am really wonder how come the H/SI1 is such clear looks like Ice cube?
I love this Ice clear so much so I would like to know why?
if anybody can tell me please let me know!

It is very hard to know what you are describing.
Can you find someone with English as a 1st language to help - and maybe some photo''s?

 

[Richard Sherwood]

Garry, would you please translate what you said?

I''m having a hard time with that Australian accent.

 

[Lynn B]

Hmmm, Flower, interesting question.

My guess would be that the one you describe as looking more like an "ice-cube" (even though it is a "lower" color grade) has a better cut. The cut of diamond determines its sparkle, and sparkle is what you may have been seeing.

OR maybe one (or both?) of the diamonds could have been misgraded - or graded by a softer lab... and then you may be seeing a more "colorless" ("ice-cube") look. Puzzling! Can you post pictures?

Lynn

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

I had but one Belgian Beer at lunch time Rich - and look what it did to me

Date: 1/7/2006 9:45:58 PM
Author: Lynn B
Hmmm, Flower, interesting question.

My guess would be that the one you describe as looking more like an ''ice-cube'' (even though it is a ''lower'' color grade) has a better cut. The cut of diamond determines its sparkle, and sparkle is what you may have been seeing.

OR maybe one (or both?) of the diamonds could have been misgraded - or graded by a softer lab... and then you may be seeing a more ''colorless'' (''ice-cube'') look. Puzzling! Can you post pictures?

Lynn

Maybe the effect is a see thru effect - maybe it is a the worst cut stone that looks icy?

 

[Lynn B]

te:[/b] 1/7/2006 9:56:43 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
Maybe the effect is a see thru effect - maybe it is a the worst cut stone that looks icy?

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Or that.

 

[Lynn B]

Flower,

Did you find the "ice cube" diamond to be more attractive, sparkly and beautiful? Or just "clear", like window glass? Maybe Garry is onto something?

ETA: Just re-read her post, and she states, "ice cube like and much more sparkle".

Sorry, Garry... maybe next time...

 

[flower12]

oh!! I am so sorry my bad english.

Lynn thank you very much for try to understand,
yes you are right

I did try to take a picture but couldn''t show the diffarence.

ok, I will try to write to be simple.

there is 2 ring both eternity,

#1.F-G color /VS/ cut ideal or premium cuts

#2,H color /SI1 cut I don''t know . it has not writing about cut on the paper.

# is much much more fire sparkel and look ice cube than # 1.


# 1 is sparkle but not like #2 at all and look not ice cube clear
it''s look more white.

I showed many freinds to what thy think about it
all my freinds ( also my DH )says #1 is more sparkle and the diamond look clear color like ice cube

#1 is more good color and ideal or premium cuts
so I thought more look better than #2.

but it''s not.
I wonder why??
becuase just Cut?

 

[Hest88]

Date: 1/7/2006 9:16:59 PM
Author: Richard Sherwood
Garry, would you please translate what you said?

I''m having a hard time with that Australian accent.

Now, now Richard. At least he''s stopped tacking on "mate" to the end of every sentence the way he used to.

 

[flower12]

Garry I am sorry ...
Richard

Lynn B

thank you so much for trying to understand.

yes I love the Ice cube clear with sparkle. it look much more attractive to me.
first I thought my eye''s wrong

so I showd them to many freinds,and everybody pick the # 2 is beautiful and sparkel
than #1
they says **so diffrent between #1 and #2**

total ct of diamond of #2 is little more than #1 but not expensive than #1 at all.

 

[Lynn B]

Flower,

PLEASE don''t apologize for your English! You express yourself very well. I don''t speak a LICK of any other language besides English, and I envy and admire you! xoxox!

Lynn

PS Back to the topic - I have no other ideas why the diamonds look so different. What are the size of the stones? I still say the answer has to be "cut", though!

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Flower - no need to apologize, as I too can not even speak American - only English and Australian. (I was not being nasty - only looking for clarity to help you. People here will tell you you know immediately if I am being nasty

).

I think the thing is that just because someone said these diamonds are better cut does not mean that this is really true.
The difference between H and FG (or even H and D) or VS and SI (Or even I1 or IF) means very little in sparkle terms.

BTW do you have an ideal-scope? It is easy to take a photo thru 1 and that will tell us heaps mate.

 

[flower12]

Garry thank you very much for reply

> means very little in sparkle terms.

Ok..so if I buy jewelry via internet what is important about sparkle terms?
I tend to chose good grade one than bad grade
buying jewelry without see in person is so diffuculut ESP sparkle terms .

>BTW do you have an ideal-scope? It is easy to take a photo thru 1 and that will tell us heaps mate.

no I don''t. I was thinking to get one
but I didn''t know which one I should get for Jewerly not E-ring or big stone.
the biginner model is good enough ? or should I get Expert Model ? do I need light?
however I am affraid of use the light when I am at Jewelry shop front of shop people.

also where can I get it in USA?
please let me know

 

[Ann]

maybe the ice cube look he is describing could be a an emerald cut or other step cut?

 

[rosy]

Date: 1/7/2006 9:10:11 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 1/7/2006 4:55:17 PM
Author:flower12
sorry ..it might be stupid question but I wonder what''s the diffrence between 2 ring.

last night I was watching 2 ring both eternity .
( almost same style )


one ring is H color and SI1 I don''t know what is about cut of this one

another one is F-G/VS ideal or premium cuts

I put both ring next each another in dark room and couple spot light
then I noticed that the H/SI1 is
much more look ice cube like and much more sparkle

FG/VS is the color is much more white compare H

I am still not good at diamond at all.....so I really don''t know why??

I am really wonder how come the H/SI1 is such clear looks like Ice cube?
I love this Ice clear so much so I would like to know why?
if anybody can tell me please let me know!

It is very hard to know what you are describing.
Can you find someone with English as a 1st language to help - and maybe some photo''s?

Tssk, tssk, Gary!

 

[Kaleigh]

Date: 1/7/2006 11:46:18 PM
Author: rosy

Date: 1/7/2006 9:10:11 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 1/7/2006 4:55:17 PM
Author:flower12
sorry ..it might be stupid question but I wonder what''s the diffrence between 2 ring.

last night I was watching 2 ring both eternity .
( almost same style )


one ring is H color and SI1 I don''t know what is about cut of this one

another one is F-G/VS ideal or premium cuts

I put both ring next each another in dark room and couple spot light
then I noticed that the H/SI1 is
much more look ice cube like and much more sparkle

FG/VS is the color is much more white compare H

I am still not good at diamond at all.....so I really don''t know why??

I am really wonder how come the H/SI1 is such clear looks like Ice cube?
I love this Ice clear so much so I would like to know why?
if anybody can tell me please let me know!

It is very hard to know what you are describing.
Can you find someone with English as a 1st language to help - and maybe some photo''s?

Tssk, tssk, Gary!

Garry, shame on you!!
Flower perhaps the H /SI one was well cut and that''s why it appeared to look so clear to you?? Not sure, just a thought??

 

[JulieN]

I''m guessing the clear, sparkly one has less white light return and more fire.

 

[Mara]

Flower, try to take some photos maybe describing what you are seeing, in the same lighting that you see the differences in? Very curious...I would be tempted to say that the cut is making some sort of difference but it''s hard to say for sure!

Are both eternity rings round stones or is one a fancy cut like a princess or another cut?

 

[Gonzodogg]

Date: 1/7/2006 9:16:59 PM
Author: Richard Sherwood
Garry, would you please translate what you said?

I''m having a hard time with that Australian accent.

that just made my day

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Flower photograph the room too please.up at lights from diamond rings view, and down from where you are looking at the ring.

We have no where near enough info to help you - languauge or no languauge problems.
BTW My Ideal-scope manager, Arthur, is chinese. Some of you may be thinking I am prejudiced. Forget it; I am not, so please do not over react.

If your diamonds are very small (under 0.10ct) then the expert is better. You should tell us this info too.
And how many there are. Order on-line at www.ideal-scope.com and it will get to you where ever you are. In USA Dave Atlas will ship it.

 

[valeria101]

It''s hard to knw what the seller called ''ideal'' and ''premium'' for the cut of the small diamonds. Maybe both are about as well cut.

On small sizes, I would not expect those color grades to make much difference at all. If SI is decently graded, there shouldn''t be any visible inclusions there either. So all it''s left to make a difference... is the cut.


I can''t claim I understand what you are describing 100% (50% is more like it), but it may be that you have got a line of bright stones cut with shallow angles and another with less brilliant, deep cut fiery ones. In a dark room under spot light - as you describe the environment - the second type wins the day. Under strong, even light (bathroom?), the other should. Any chance this sounds familiar?

Trying another metaphor

: the high color ones may look ''flashy'' under strong light - like the retroreflectors of a bike under headlights. The others transparent and glittery (like... a chandelier''s crystal tessels under candle light).

Anyway, I am curious about those mysterious ice-cube diamonds too! An IdealSCope would provide some standard images I''d know to interpret (to some extent). With ice-cubes... it is hard. To me, diamonds look like ice cubes only before they are cut :these are about as big too!

 

[pricescope]

We are talking eternity rings here, so it might be difference in settings. Are they set the same, flower?

I speak broken English all the time and Garry loves me the same (don''t freak out - it''s Irina

).

Oh, and he is not a sexist or an ageist or any-ist either. Probably Garry does not think that speaking non-perfect second language is a shame or a sin, is he wrong?