thats what I am thinkingDate: 11/30/2009 12:08:19 PM
Author: Blenheim
I don''t have personal experience with Waldorf schools, but I did a bit of reading about them at one point. Waldorf students often do have math and science deficiencies as well as the reading deficiencies previously mentioned. I personally disagree with many points of their underlying philosophy and idea of child development, and would recommend doing your research on those areas before deciding to send a child to a Waldorf school just to make sure that they mesh well with your own ideas.
I''m not sure if a Waldorf inspired school offered through a school district would be closer to a typical public school in teaching style and philosophy though - if it''s something that you''re thinking about, I''d definitely want to interview teachers, sit in on some classes, etc.
Personally, I''d be a lot more comfortable with a Montessori teaching style.
ltlfirecracker, thanks for sharing your experience. Growing up I had similar experiences raised in rural Alaska with hippie parents. It may seem odd now but I attended a two room school house with the same teacher for the first six years. Our classroom seems so different from those offered today. I want Troy (my son) to find the world magical and beautiful. My stepsons are 9 and 11 and I swear they have been little adults since about the age of 4. I cannot put my finger on it but it is very different from what I knew as a child.Date: 11/30/2009 9:26:07 PM
Author: LtlFirecracker
Hey,
Hoping to do this earlier, but had a really hard day at work.
I loved my early years at Waldorf. I think that the varied education was really good for me. Here was a typical day
AM - ''main lession'' which is academics that is done by your teacher who follows you from 1st -8th grade. They do the storytelling, reading, writing, grammar, and math. My teacher was capable of doing all that.
Each year main lesson had a different theme. Some of these were religious based. 3rd grade was the Old Testament, 4th was the Nortic God, 5th was Greek Mythology, 6th was the New Testement. I don''t know from there. However, it was more like a class in comparative religion and learning about the stories than it was about pushing one belief over the other. I think having that knowledge has helped me in the other areas such as creative writing, and critical reading (a lot of novels allude to these stories). Even the math and grammar would tie into the theme, however, as you got older, and the math and grammar got more complicated, that was less and less of the case. The rest of the day was done by ''periods'' that was done by teachers who specialized in those areas. I describe them below.
All the math was the same as the other grades for public schools. They do teach you how to read differently. They told my parents that if they needed to pull us not to do so until 4th grade or else there will be reading issues. I got pulled before 6th grade, and my reading was well above grade average. My sister got pulled in 2nd grade and she had problems. She caught up quickly.
They also thought 2 languages, Spanish and German. Those were thought all grades. In 6th grade they separate you out based on skill into 2 groups. Th
My favorite part about the Waldorf education was that arts, crafts, and music were of equal importance as academic skills. At age 8 I could read music, at age 6 I was learning formal watercolor techniques. I also learned how to knit, do embroidery, and cross stitch among several other skills. All of this led to development of my right brain skills, which would have probably been very weak without this education. I know a lot of other nations stress arts and music, because children with these skills have been found to do better academically. We did one play a year where we put on full costumes (which were very well made) and acted in front of all the other classes and our parents. We also did a lot of singing and would preform that frequently.
But there is some stuff that I took issue with
1) They do have some beliefs that they will impose on you (at least at the private school). I was told my first day I should not watch TV. All makeup and jewelry (except for pierced ears) were banned until 8th grade. You were not allowed to bring any products with advertisements on them. That meant no shirts with Disney characters, no food with cartoons, no lunch boxes with any character or product. As a kid I hated that, looking back, I love that I had that. I feel I have an awareness of the influence media has on our lives that I never would have had.
2) I think if you read my other posts you will find out I have some learning disabilities. They picked them up really quickly. Much quicker than a public school would have. But the way they were dealt with was very non-conventional. They diagnosed me with something that is a controversial diagnosis in the medical field. It was not until a few years ago, when I got the proper names put to my problems did I realize I had them all along, but that they were being called the wrong name.
3) Many of the families there lived by a certain lifestyle that the Waldorf school promoted. Most of the families lived very simple lives. If you like natural/organic foods, you will find a lot of other like minded people. I remember those families getting preferential treatment for financial aide and we got denied. One mother got it and told us she didn''t even need it because they had enough money. Our parents pulled us because they could no longer afford it.
4) I loved my education there, but I would not have gotten into a top state university or gone to medical school if I would have stayed. Now who knows maybe that would have been a good thing. Most of my class who stayed all 12 years went into the arts or other creative fields. They lead very exciting lives. I know one is going to college in Hawaii, she scuba dives, runs, hikes, takes the best photographs, and seems truly happy. The lead singer of the band Cake got his education at the same Waldorf school I went to from what others have told me. If you listen to his music, you hear the influences from the school. While I find that wonderful, I am not sure I want to channel my kids in that direction. I am kind of conflicted in that since.
5) I guess my class was the ''good class.'' That is what the other classes called them when they hit junior high because they were clean (I kept a few friends though high school and that is how I know all this). In first grade my teachers husband died of lung cancer and she made up some stores about nicotine and alcohol. She was able to explain the concept of addiction in 6 year old language better than anyone I know. Maybe that influenced us. But very few smoked in high school. However, I was told that most of the other classes did a lot of experimenting with drugs, smoking, and alcohol. I can''t confirm that.
Bottom line - if it were my kid. I probably would not do the private school. I would look at the public school and see it would be an effective merge of the Waldorf and public school or too watered down for the good things about Waldorf to be effective.
Hope this helped and didn''t confuse you too much.
pinktower, I really need to google Montessori! Sounds worth looking into.Date: 11/30/2009 10:35:58 PM
Author: Pink Tower
Sure, Zoe! I can talk about Montessori until I put you to sleep. I love Montessori, if it is as Maria Montessori developed the method. You need to be careful there, as Montessori is a name in the public domain, so check the credentials of the school very closely.
The main thing I like about Montessori is that each child has their own lesson plan, and that everyone is seen as an individual. A lot of observation is done to see what lesson a child should be presented, and the child is not moved on until the material is mastered.
Most of our children read between the age of 4 1/2 and 5 1/2, though I have some of my 3 and 4 year olds reading already this year. A child stays within the class for a three year cycle. This varies, but my children are taught to write in cursive from the beginning, although the also are capable of printing. Our National Test scores are extremely high.
My favorite part of the curriculum is the math. The children love it, and the material enables the child to do remarkable work in all four operations in kindergarten.
Some may criticize our method as being rigid, overly academic and structured, but the children are very happy. They are kind to each other. They love to work, and they love purposeful activity. Lunch is a big production; we use cloth napkins, real glassware, silverware, breakable plates, etc. The children take ownership of the classroom. If something breaks, such is life, and they clean it up. We have an organic garden. Children know they are capable of doing so much from the age of 2 and a half or three that they have a quiet inner strength about them that serves them throughout school.
As a Montessori parent for nine years, and a Montessori teacher, I recommend the method without qualification.
p.s. If you google Montessori Pink Tower, you will understand what my name means
No problem! I am very interested too.Date: 12/1/2009 7:11:36 AM
Author: ZoeBartlett
Thanks Pink Tower! I''ve always wondered what your ''name'' meant.
I hope Akmiss doesn''t mind me asking a few questions in this thread, but I thought the answers might help her too (if she ends up considering Montessori).
1. What curricula do you use to teach math, science, reading, social studies? In the traditional schools, we need to follow the state guidelines.
2. If I''m understanding you correctly, some kids may be in your class for one year, two, or three, depending on when they''re ready to move up (to another grade?). You mentioned that kids stay within the class for a three year cycle but you also wrote about how they are moved on when material is mastered. Please correct me if I''m wrong.
3. What do you mean that each child has his/her own lesson plan? Is it similar to Sylvia Ashton Warner''s work in her book, Teacher (in that they set the tone for what they want to learn?)? How does this work with a full class of X number of students?
I''m not sure why, but it seems as though some parents choose Montessori schools for pre-school and maybe Kindergarten, and then move their child on to a more traditional school for elementary. I wonder why that is.
Sorry for thread jacking, Akmiss! This is just a very interesting topic!
Of course, I''d love to hear more positives about Waldorf schools, but unfortunately, it seems as though the negatives outweigh the positives (at least here on PS).