GlamMosher|1332893313|3157732 said:Gypsy|1332892670|3157724 said:And I heard "Effing punks"... I even rewound it, surprised because I did NOT hear coons. I heard punks. Very clearly, punks.
The determination seems to be whether he said "coons" or "goons". It is definitely an "oo" sound.
I am not even really sure what a "goon" is, but one website (urban dictionary) says it means "n*gga" in Florida.
Laila619|1332895942|3157772 said:Who really cares what the mother's motive is? She lost her CHILD, the most horrific thing any parent could ever have to go through . Why is she relevant to the case?
Circe|1332896324|3157787 said:Laila619|1332895942|3157772 said:Who really cares what the mother's motive is? She lost her CHILD, the most horrific thing any parent could ever have to go through . Why is she relevant to the case?
Couldn't agree more with this. My cynical side says it's because it plays into a lot of the negative stereotypes about mothers from the African-American community (aka the offensive "welfare queen" bogey-woman), and in a roundabout way, somehow justifies the not-borne-out belief that a young black man in a white neighborhood must be a threat.
Gypsy|1332896462|3157789 said:Circe|1332896324|3157787 said:Laila619|1332895942|3157772 said:Who really cares what the mother's motive is? She lost her CHILD, the most horrific thing any parent could ever have to go through . Why is she relevant to the case?
Couldn't agree more with this. My cynical side says it's because it plays into a lot of the negative stereotypes about mothers from the African-American community (aka the offensive "welfare queen" bogey-woman), and in a roundabout way, somehow justifies the not-borne-out belief that a young black man in a white neighborhood must be a threat.
This funny. I agree that it's irrelevant but think it has nothing to do with race, but rather the media's desires to stir up a hornets nest and get better ratings.
We are interpreting things in vastly different ways aren't we? And that's fine and it's based on our own experiences as individuals.
Matata|1332889585|3157674 said:beebrisk|1332887084|3157642 said:First off, "our society" does NOT tell us that young men of color are "dangerous and that it's okay if bad things happen to them". To the contrary. That is what our disingenuous and divisive media has drummed into the psyches of a public all too hungry to believe that we live in one big, hateful, racist, cesspool of a country.
LOL beebrisk, the drawbridge at your castle has been up for far too long. I grew up in a ghetto where it was open hunting season on "*iggers." I was trained by my mother to cross the street if I saw a black man coming, god forbid there should be more than one, rather than risk bodily harm. She was never assaulted by a black man; she learned from her mom who was never assaulted either. I was taught that blacks are dirty, uneducated, brood-bearing animals that suck the juice out of the welfare system. This feeling was prevalent during the 50s-70s and it is still prevalent today. I do not think the city where I grew up is the only one where racist ideals linger.
I have a relative who is a cop in a large east coast city who, along with his comrades, boast how they arrange for "dirty *iggers" to have "accidents" in jail to ensure they get the message about toeing the line. And they boast about how, working in cahoots with judges, rightful bail is denied those "animal *iggers" to ensure they stay in jail. There is so much more to tell but I doubt anything will crack the lenses of your rose-colored glasses.
If you believe there is no prejudice today toward blacks, try an experiment -- darken your skin, don a wig, and try to get a cab at night in an upper middle class neighborhood in your area.
Laila619|1332895942|3157772 said:Who really cares what the mother's motive is? She lost her CHILD, the most horrific thing any parent could ever have to go through . Why is she relevant to the case?
Circe|1332896884|3157800 said:Gypsy|1332896462|3157789 said:Circe|1332896324|3157787 said:Laila619|1332895942|3157772 said:Who really cares what the mother's motive is? She lost her CHILD, the most horrific thing any parent could ever have to go through . Why is she relevant to the case?
Couldn't agree more with this. My cynical side says it's because it plays into a lot of the negative stereotypes about mothers from the African-American community (aka the offensive "welfare queen" bogey-woman), and in a roundabout way, somehow justifies the not-borne-out belief that a young black man in a white neighborhood must be a threat.
This funny. I agree that it's irrelevant but think it has nothing to do with race, but rather the media's desires to stir up a hornets nest and get better ratings.
We are interpreting things in vastly different ways aren't we? And that's fine and it's based on our own experiences as individuals.
Heh - indeed. I've actually been wanting to start a thread talking about that, but I can't figure out how we'd even approach the topic since so many of the assumptions are unspoken - just had a variation on it with Bee in another thread where we had to retrench twice before we figured out we were basically on the same page, just coming at it from different directions. I feel like it's one of the reasons this country is so bipartisan now: we literally can't understand one another. I went out to dinner with some conservative friends the other night, and said "I feel like the problem is that women's gender roles have changed, and men's haven't, and that causes a rift." And they said "EXACTLY!" and we blinked at one another before realizing I meant men should catch up and they meant women should revert to traditional gender roles.
Sigh.
But, getting back to the point at hand ... the media needs to have some common denominator, some set of base assumptions, upon which to hang their hornets nest, if you'll excuse the mixed metaphor. If not that ... what? Bad mothers are a Thing across racial lines, certainly, but the idea of the mercenary mother who benefits from her offspring isn't, is it?
Hey Deb busy day here and and getting even busier until Monday so this will likely be my last post in this thread.AGBF|1332894772|3157754 said:You don't mean that the laws to which I referred (the laws that that keep people from violating the civil rights of others) are racist. You mean that, in your opinion, the laws are applied unfairly or in a racially unjust way. At least I assume that you don't mean the laws are racist. How could a law that says no one can violate the civil rights of anyone else be racist?
Deb/AGBF
Gypsy|1332897842|3157825 said:Circe|1332896884|3157800 said:Gypsy|1332896462|3157789 said:Circe|1332896324|3157787 said:Laila619|1332895942|3157772 said:Who really cares what the mother's motive is? She lost her CHILD, the most horrific thing any parent could ever have to go through . Why is she relevant to the case?
Couldn't agree more with this. My cynical side says it's because it plays into a lot of the negative stereotypes about mothers from the African-American community (aka the offensive "welfare queen" bogey-woman), and in a roundabout way, somehow justifies the not-borne-out belief that a young black man in a white neighborhood must be a threat.
This funny. I agree that it's irrelevant but think it has nothing to do with race, but rather the media's desires to stir up a hornets nest and get better ratings.
We are interpreting things in vastly different ways aren't we? And that's fine and it's based on our own experiences as individuals.
Heh - indeed. I've actually been wanting to start a thread talking about that, but I can't figure out how we'd even approach the topic since so many of the assumptions are unspoken - just had a variation on it with Bee in another thread where we had to retrench twice before we figured out we were basically on the same page, just coming at it from different directions. I feel like it's one of the reasons this country is so bipartisan now: we literally can't understand one another. I went out to dinner with some conservative friends the other night, and said "I feel like the problem is that women's gender roles have changed, and men's haven't, and that causes a rift." And they said "EXACTLY!" and we blinked at one another before realizing I meant men should catch up and they meant women should revert to traditional gender roles.
Sigh.
But, getting back to the point at hand ... the media needs to have some common denominator, some set of base assumptions, upon which to hang their hornets nest, if you'll excuse the mixed metaphor. If not that ... what? Bad mothers are a Thing across racial lines, certainly, but the idea of the mercenary mother who benefits from her offspring isn't, is it?
I don't think I understand the question in bold, so if you can restate it, I'll be happy to give you my thoughts.
As for the dinner with your friends. OMG. Such a riot. I think men are in a lose/lose situation in many ways. If they want a traditional wife so they can feel 'safe' in their role they are a misogynist and if they are fine with a woman wearing pants too then they are wimps or 'beta males'. I think my own DH and I struggle with this sometimes in our relationship. And have come to the conclusion that whatever works for you is fine. And the people should stop labeling and being so judgmental, and so divisive about the issue. Live and let live.
But I know that's not going to happen. Ahh, well what can you do?
Circe|1332898894|3157839 said:So, basically ... for anybody who's casting around trying to find a way to make this Martin's fault who can't find it in the events surrounding the shooting, this is psychological gold, because it shifts the focus back to blaming his "side."
*Twinkle*twinkle*|1332900612|3157865 said:Circe|1332898894|3157839 said:So, basically ... for anybody who's casting around trying to find a way to make this Martin's fault who can't find it in the events surrounding the shooting, this is psychological gold, because it shifts the focus back to blaming his "side."
Yes!
Circe, I whole-heartedly agree with everything you have said in this thread. Your input is valued.
*Twinkle*twinkle*|1332900787|3157867 said:Racially-motivated? Maybe not completely.
Racially-influenced? YES.
Imdanny|1332901991|3157883 said:BTW, I like the UK' use of a period after a quotation mark better than the way we do it in the US. It seems much more practical to me. That is how it's done there. No?
Gypsy|1332901127|3157874 said:*Twinkle*twinkle*|1332900787|3157867 said:Racially-motivated? Maybe not completely.
Racially-influenced? YES.
See my post above. Where is your evidence that when George PULLED THE TRIGGER it was RACE that was influencing that action?
Gypsy|1332901127|3157874 said:*Twinkle*twinkle*|1332900787|3157867 said:Racially-motivated? Maybe not completely.
Racially-influenced? YES.
See my post above. Where is your evidence that when George PULLED THE TRIGGER it was RACE that was influencing that action?
*Twinkle*twinkle*|1332910370|3157971 said:Gypsy|1332901127|3157874 said:*Twinkle*twinkle*|1332900787|3157867 said:Racially-motivated? Maybe not completely.
Racially-influenced? YES.
See my post above. Where is your evidence that when George PULLED THE TRIGGER it was RACE that was influencing that action?
From the moment he CALLED the 911 dispatcher, heard PROFILING this young boy, then heard CHASING him with a GUN in his hand, then PULLED THE TRIGGER is WHEN.
Galateia|1332915338|3157995 said:I, for one, am glad that Prosecution is not going to go off half-cocked before they have their case built properly, and end up letting a (potentially) guilty man get away with it because some legal T had not been crossed and an I had not been dotted. If he is guilty, I would prefer he not escape justice due to a technicality in how he was arrested/charged.
This is what I have taken away from all of the legal discussion in this thread.
The justice system cannot function as a lynch mob (which, I would like to point out, was not historically limited to use just against people of colour, so 'stringing someone up' = reference to punishment delivered without investigation of facts or fair trial) as it is supposed to serve as an impartial deliverer of justice. If it is swayed by the howling mob being fed strategically-placed tidbits designed to garner website hits, then it has failed us all.
Dancing Fire|1332915341|3157996 said:this story made the head line news b/c TM is black if he was an Asian or shot by another black man this story would be mute.
Circe|1332898894|3157839 said:the frustrated stereotypes that Martin evoked but didn't fulfill.