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@missy This is SO effed up. Reading about the struggles and heartaches of women attempting to have control over their bodies and health makes me sick. The attacks on women are mind-numbing. And now we've got that dipwad so proud of her teen son making her a grandma at 36 because being a teen mom is awesome and shows you value life! :roll:
 

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@missy This is SO effed up. Reading about the struggles and heartaches of women attempting to have control over their bodies and health makes me sick. The attacks on women are mind-numbing. And now we've got that dipwad so proud of her teen son making her a grandma at 36 because being a teen mom is awesome and shows you value life! :roll:

It really is...I do not recognize our country anymore. A HUGE disappointment on so many levels.
But we do have it within our control to fight this with all the strength and fierce determination we have...I just hope that all of us, men and women, fight this and do not give up. A massive step backward that will have a resounding negative impact on the core issues we fight for every day and jeopardizes our freedom(s).

This ia an attack on us pure and simple.
 

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How Overturning Roe v. Wade Changed Match Day 2023​

— Abortion restrictions are a physician workforce issue​

by Sarah McNeilly, Morgan S. Levy, Simone A. Bernstein, MD, Jessi A. Gold, MD, MS, and Vineet Arora, MD, MAPP March 15, 2023


A photo of protestors in front of the Supreme Court building in Washington DC.

For thousands of medical students, years of hard work will culminate this week as Match Day 2023 marks the end of their undergraduate medical education and the start of their residency program. Many newly minted physicians will soon pack up their belongings and move to new institutions in new cities and states across the U.S. Yet, this year's Match is already different from years past. For the first time since 1973, Match 2023 applicants have compiled their match and rank lists with the knowledge that the U.S. no longer protects the constitutional right to abortion. Roe v. Wade is no longer the law of the land.

This devastating development came after years of accelerating threats to abortion rights and access. Even before the June 2022 Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Healthdecision formally ended nearly 50 years of Roe, state legislatures had been enacting record-high numbersopens in a new tab or window of abortion restrictions. Now, post-Roe, states are working to reinstate historical trigger bans and devise new laws and policies to restrict abortion at the state and national levels -- including the current action to revokeopens in a new tab or windowthe use of mifepristone (Mifeprex) for medication abortion.
Such policy trends hold far-reaching implications for the U.S. healthcare system -- including consequences for the physician workforce. Namely, how will overturning Roe v. Wade impact the geographical preferences and clinical practice decisions of current and future physicians?
New Findings on Post-Roe Practice Location Preferences
Our recent studyopens in a new tab or window published in the Journal of General Internal Medicine begins to answer this question. In a survey of more than 2,000 current and future physicians on social media, we found that most (82.3%) would prefer to work or train in states with preserved abortion access. In fact, more than three-quarters (76.4%) of respondents would not even apply to states with legal consequences for providing abortion care. The same holds true for states with early or complete bans on abortion or Plan B. In other words, many qualified candidates would no longer even consider working or training in more than half of U.S. states.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, those who intend to provide abortion care (27.1%) generally preferred to practice in less restrictive environments. However, similar preferences persisted across other medical specialties and subspecialties, underscoring the essential truth that abortion rights and access affect the entire physician workforce and, thus, the whole healthcare system.
The reasons for physicians' practice location preferences include, but are not limited to, patient care. While 77.8% of respondents report that their preferences are influenced by patient access to abortion care, others also prioritize preserved access for themselves or their partner (56.1%) or other family members (42.5%). This should not surprise us: physicians are human beings, too, with healthcare needsopens in a new tab or window and personal lives that are not wholly defined by their career choices.
Impact on the Healthcare System
Our findings reveal alarming discrepancies between the environments physicians prefer to work in and the current political realities of most U.S. statesopens in a new tab or window. Yet, this is not simply about physicians' preferences: it is about sustaining the physician workforce and protecting access to care.

Even before Dobbs, the U.S. faced a physician workforce shortage -- including a shortageopens in a new tab or window of abortion clinicians -- that was projected to impact states unevenly. Many of the same states that now have abortion restrictions were previously predicted to be hard hitopens in a new tab or window by future deficits. Placed within this context, our data suggest that abortion-restricted states may face even more severe shortages post-Dobbs if physicians follow through on these geographic preferences.
Multiple studies have demonstrated the correlation between abortion restrictions and higher maternal mortality rates, especially among women of color. The reasons for this are highly complex but attributable, in part, to the coexistence of other harmful policies like limited Medicaid coverage and fewer maternity care providers. Already, whereas 39% of counties in abortion-restricted states are considered maternity care desertsopens in a new tab or window -- in which access to maternity care is limited or absent -- relatively fewer counties in abortion-protected states (25%) share that designation. Adding a disproportionate physician workforce shortage to this burden will compound the stress on the healthcare system in these states and, in turn, exacerbate entrenched health disparities. Thus, laws and policies that restrict abortion not only pose a serious threat to the one in every five pregnanciesopens in a new tab or window that end in abortion every year but also stand to harm patients seeking various types of primary and specialty care in restrictive states.

The impact of abortion restrictions will extend beyond the clinical practice decisions of reproductive healthcare providers -- states will likely see an shortage of clinicians across every medical field, from orthopedic surgery to dermatology to oncology. Though future studies should explore this ripple effect further, one can imagine how a potential exodus may compound physician burnoutopens in a new tab or window and exacerbate countless more disparities, like the burden of chronic diseaseopens in a new tab or window.
This data should sound the alarm. It echoes conversationsopens in a new tab or window and trends that have been happening within our professionopens in a new tab or window since before Dobbs.
The fallout of the Dobbs decision will adversely affect our healthopens in a new tab or window and our patients' lives. As physicians, we must unequivocally oppose policies that disrupt healthcare for everyone, including state bans on abortion. At the same time, we must ardently support our colleagues who are living and working in restrictive states so that they may continue accessing the training they needopens in a new tab or window as physicians and the care they deserve as patients. If we do not, our current workforce shortages will only worsen, foretelling a crisis that would endanger us all.

This is a watershed moment for the U.S. healthcare system. As the current and future physician workforce, we must all take these threats seriously.
Sarah McNeillyopens in a new tab or window is a medical student at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City, and a leader with Medical Students for Choiceopens in a new tab or window. Morgan S. Levyopens in a new tab or window is a medical student in the MD and Master's in Public Health program at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine. Simone A. Bernstein, MD,opens in a new tab or window is a resident physician at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, and a co-founder of Inside the Match. Jessi A. Gold, MD, MS,opens in a new tab or window is an assistant professor and director of Wellness, Engagement, and Outreach in the Department of Psychiatry at Washington University in St. Louis, and a member of the MedPage Today editorial board. Vineet Arora, MD, MAPP,opens in a new tab or window is the Herbert T. Abelson professor of medicine and dean of Medical Education at the Pritzker School of Medicine at the University of Chicago.
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How Overturning Roe v. Wade Changed Match Day 2023​

— Abortion restrictions are a physician workforce issue​

by Sarah McNeilly, Morgan S. Levy, Simone A. Bernstein, MD, Jessi A. Gold, MD, MS, and Vineet Arora, MD, MAPP March 15, 2023


A photo of protestors in front of the Supreme Court building in Washington DC.

For thousands of medical students, years of hard work will culminate this week as Match Day 2023 marks the end of their undergraduate medical education and the start of their residency program. Many newly minted physicians will soon pack up their belongings and move to new institutions in new cities and states across the U.S. Yet, this year's Match is already different from years past. For the first time since 1973, Match 2023 applicants have compiled their match and rank lists with the knowledge that the U.S. no longer protects the constitutional right to abortion. Roe v. Wade is no longer the law of the land.

This devastating development came after years of accelerating threats to abortion rights and access. Even before the June 2022 Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Healthdecision formally ended nearly 50 years of Roe, state legislatures had been enacting record-high numbersopens in a new tab or window of abortion restrictions. Now, post-Roe, states are working to reinstate historical trigger bans and devise new laws and policies to restrict abortion at the state and national levels -- including the current action to revokeopens in a new tab or windowthe use of mifepristone (Mifeprex) for medication abortion.
Such policy trends hold far-reaching implications for the U.S. healthcare system -- including consequences for the physician workforce. Namely, how will overturning Roe v. Wade impact the geographical preferences and clinical practice decisions of current and future physicians?
New Findings on Post-Roe Practice Location Preferences
Our recent studyopens in a new tab or window published in the Journal of General Internal Medicine begins to answer this question. In a survey of more than 2,000 current and future physicians on social media, we found that most (82.3%) would prefer to work or train in states with preserved abortion access. In fact, more than three-quarters (76.4%) of respondents would not even apply to states with legal consequences for providing abortion care. The same holds true for states with early or complete bans on abortion or Plan B. In other words, many qualified candidates would no longer even consider working or training in more than half of U.S. states.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, those who intend to provide abortion care (27.1%) generally preferred to practice in less restrictive environments. However, similar preferences persisted across other medical specialties and subspecialties, underscoring the essential truth that abortion rights and access affect the entire physician workforce and, thus, the whole healthcare system.
The reasons for physicians' practice location preferences include, but are not limited to, patient care. While 77.8% of respondents report that their preferences are influenced by patient access to abortion care, others also prioritize preserved access for themselves or their partner (56.1%) or other family members (42.5%). This should not surprise us: physicians are human beings, too, with healthcare needsopens in a new tab or window and personal lives that are not wholly defined by their career choices.
Impact on the Healthcare System
Our findings reveal alarming discrepancies between the environments physicians prefer to work in and the current political realities of most U.S. statesopens in a new tab or window. Yet, this is not simply about physicians' preferences: it is about sustaining the physician workforce and protecting access to care.

Even before Dobbs, the U.S. faced a physician workforce shortage -- including a shortageopens in a new tab or window of abortion clinicians -- that was projected to impact states unevenly. Many of the same states that now have abortion restrictions were previously predicted to be hard hitopens in a new tab or window by future deficits. Placed within this context, our data suggest that abortion-restricted states may face even more severe shortages post-Dobbs if physicians follow through on these geographic preferences.
Multiple studies have demonstrated the correlation between abortion restrictions and higher maternal mortality rates, especially among women of color. The reasons for this are highly complex but attributable, in part, to the coexistence of other harmful policies like limited Medicaid coverage and fewer maternity care providers. Already, whereas 39% of counties in abortion-restricted states are considered maternity care desertsopens in a new tab or window -- in which access to maternity care is limited or absent -- relatively fewer counties in abortion-protected states (25%) share that designation. Adding a disproportionate physician workforce shortage to this burden will compound the stress on the healthcare system in these states and, in turn, exacerbate entrenched health disparities. Thus, laws and policies that restrict abortion not only pose a serious threat to the one in every five pregnanciesopens in a new tab or window that end in abortion every year but also stand to harm patients seeking various types of primary and specialty care in restrictive states.

The impact of abortion restrictions will extend beyond the clinical practice decisions of reproductive healthcare providers -- states will likely see an shortage of clinicians across every medical field, from orthopedic surgery to dermatology to oncology. Though future studies should explore this ripple effect further, one can imagine how a potential exodus may compound physician burnoutopens in a new tab or window and exacerbate countless more disparities, like the burden of chronic diseaseopens in a new tab or window.
This data should sound the alarm. It echoes conversationsopens in a new tab or window and trends that have been happening within our professionopens in a new tab or window since before Dobbs.
The fallout of the Dobbs decision will adversely affect our healthopens in a new tab or window and our patients' lives. As physicians, we must unequivocally oppose policies that disrupt healthcare for everyone, including state bans on abortion. At the same time, we must ardently support our colleagues who are living and working in restrictive states so that they may continue accessing the training they needopens in a new tab or window as physicians and the care they deserve as patients. If we do not, our current workforce shortages will only worsen, foretelling a crisis that would endanger us all.

This is a watershed moment for the U.S. healthcare system. As the current and future physician workforce, we must all take these threats seriously.
Sarah McNeillyopens in a new tab or window is a medical student at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City, and a leader with Medical Students for Choiceopens in a new tab or window. Morgan S. Levyopens in a new tab or window is a medical student in the MD and Master's in Public Health program at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine. Simone A. Bernstein, MD,opens in a new tab or window is a resident physician at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, and a co-founder of Inside the Match. Jessi A. Gold, MD, MS,opens in a new tab or window is an assistant professor and director of Wellness, Engagement, and Outreach in the Department of Psychiatry at Washington University in St. Louis, and a member of the MedPage Today editorial board. Vineet Arora, MD, MAPP,opens in a new tab or window is the Herbert T. Abelson professor of medicine and dean of Medical Education at the Pritzker School of Medicine at the University of Chicago.
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The anti-choice fools will reap exactly what they sow. They deserve every ounce of suffering their idiocy begets.

If only innocents weren’t caught up in this political quagmire… I’d be perfectly happy to sentence the anti-choice contingent to third-rate healthcare in all capacities. Like, truly, that would make me so happy - let them suffer.

But this will hurt innocents as well. It’s such an obvious consequence. The fact that the anti-choicers neither see nor care is telling, isn’t it?
 

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The anti-choice fools will reap exactly what they sow. They deserve every ounce of suffering their idiocy begets.

If only innocents weren’t caught up in this political quagmire… I’d be perfectly happy to sentence the anti-choice contingent to third-rate healthcare in all capacities. Like, truly, that would make me so happy - let them suffer.

But this will hurt innocents as well. It’s such an obvious consequence. The fact that the anti-choicers neither see nor care is telling, isn’t it?

Cruelty is the point.
Alarmist as this sounds; I wouldn't think it past the realm of possibility that the US would have it's own refugee crisis at some point, or at the very least a forced migration of sorts. Who would want to live in a place where basic needs are not met and ignorance abounds with no recourse and no succor?
 

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Abortion pills are now banned in Wyoming after Governor signs a bill into law.

Seriously, if I post what I'm thinking, I'll get booted. I am SO pissed and disgusted! It is suffocating being a woman now.
 

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I just went on a little T-shirt buying spree.

Fallopians... :lol:
 

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The State of Idaho has gone down the rabbit hole. This is the kind of thing that makes me wish they could secede. It's understandable that a minor would not want a parent to know she wants an abortion, especially in a christian nationalist state where the parent may force the kid to give birth. Driving such a minor to the post office to pick up a package of abortion meds may become a felony. I don't recognize this country anymore.

 

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And the madness continues. Wow, just wow


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Proposed Florida bill would restrict discussions of menstruation in school
By Stephanie Behring | Fact-checked by Jessica Wrubel | Published March 30, 2023

Florida Bill 1069 limits the discussion of sexual health to students in grades six through 12.

Many girls experience their first menstrual cycle before entering the sixth grade.

Some argue that the proposed Florida legislation creates unnecessary fear, shame, and stigma around menstruation

Earlier this month, Florida House Representative Republican Stan McClain proposed a bill aiming to set limits on how schools cover the topic of human sexuality and to what age groups it is taught, causing some to speak out in outrage.

As with similar legislation in Florida, the newly proposed bill 1069 has the stated goal of allowing parent control over when their children learn this information. The bill has cleared committees and is on its way to the Florida House floor.

Florida Bill 1069 and discussions of menstruation

Florida Bill 1069 restricts all discussion of human sexuality to students who are in fifth through twelfth grades. This goes beyond previous Florida regulations restricting discussions of sexuality and gender identity to include any discussion of topics such as reproduction, sexually transmitted infections, puberty, and menstruation for students in fifth grade or below.

Although the bill cleared house committees, these restrictions are controversial. During one session, House Representative Ashley Gantt, a former teacher, asked Rep. McClain if Bill 1069 would mean that a fifth-grade girl experiencing her first menstrual cycle would be unable to talk to her teacher about it. Rep. McClain replied that it would.

Other important features of Bill 1069

Florida Bill 1069 would restrict how human sexuality can be discussed and taught in schools in numerous ways. In addition to preventing students below sixth grade from discussing menstruation, Bill 1069 would:[1]

Require that all sexual health teaching materials gain pre-approval from the Florida Department of Education.
Allow parents to restrict access to certain library materials.
Require schools to teach that gender is based on reproductive function at birth.
What are the potential consequences of this legislation?

The restrictions in Bill 1069 are concerning to many people in healthcare, education, and public policy around the country. Organizations such as Planned Parenthood and the ACLU have spoken out against this bill.[2][3] There are several reasons for this. As Rep. Gantt pointed out in her questioning, many girls have their first menstrual cycle before they reach sixth grade.

The average age range for a first menstrual cycle in the United States is anywhere between 10 to 16, but it’s not rare for a first period to occur in a girl as young as eight.[4]

Although it can vary slightly by exact birthdays and school district regulations, most children turn twelve the year they’re in sixth grade. This, Dr. Sophia Yen MD, MPH, founder of Pandia Health and clinical associate professor at Stanford Medical School tells MDLinx, is simply too late.

“Girls need to receive this education before their first menstrual cycle. Otherwise, they’re bleeding, they have blood coming out of their bodies, and they don’t know why. They think they’re dying, they think they have an infection. It’s a terrifying experience because no one explained what was going to happen,” Yen says.

Beyond creating unnecessary fear during puberty, not talking about menstruation until the sixth grade could cause a stigma or sense of shame around a natural body function. “We don’t avoid talking about nosebleeds, or any other kind of bleeding. Why this bleeding? What makes this something we can’t talk about in schools? Why is something these girls can’t even ask about? That absolutely makes it seem like something to be ashamed of and that needs to be kept a secret,” Yen says.

Girls in fifth, and even third and fourth grades, will experience puberty and begin menstruation even if they aren’t taught in school and are unable to ask a teacher about it. Silence on the topic sends a message, especially to children that age. “It’s ridiculous, and there’s no reason for it. I can’t believe this is being suggested in 2023," Yen says.

Bill 1069 is currently waiting for a scheduled date on the Florida house floor. Rep. McClain and other supporters of the bill argue that it is similar to other recent bills that have passed in Florida and are hopeful Bill 1069 will pass.

However, the bill is highly controversial and Rep. McClain has stated he would be willing to make minor changes to some sections.

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Next will come the Chastity Belt Law, mandating the apparatus be worn until parents provide the key. If a female child vacates their parents home prior to the age of 25, then the state of Florida (that being old white men) will determine when the female property will be provided full agency over her own body. Of course this will only be required of female individuals, as we as a society, are not wise enough to limit the sexual exploits of the male individual. I mean their sexual urges are just human nature, and can not be restrained or controlled.
 

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Proposed Florida bill would restrict discussions of menstruation in school
By Stephanie Behring | Fact-checked by Jessica Wrubel | Published March 30, 2023

Florida Bill 1069 limits the discussion of sexual health to students in grades six through 12.

Many girls experience their first menstrual cycle before entering the sixth grade.

Some argue that the proposed Florida legislation creates unnecessary fear, shame, and stigma around menstruation

Earlier this month, Florida House Representative Republican Stan McClain proposed a bill aiming to set limits on how schools cover the topic of human sexuality and to what age groups it is taught, causing some to speak out in outrage.

As with similar legislation in Florida, the newly proposed bill 1069 has the stated goal of allowing parent control over when their children learn this information. The bill has cleared committees and is on its way to the Florida House floor.

Florida Bill 1069 and discussions of menstruation

Florida Bill 1069 restricts all discussion of human sexuality to students who are in fifth through twelfth grades. This goes beyond previous Florida regulations restricting discussions of sexuality and gender identity to include any discussion of topics such as reproduction, sexually transmitted infections, puberty, and menstruation for students in fifth grade or below.

Although the bill cleared house committees, these restrictions are controversial. During one session, House Representative Ashley Gantt, a former teacher, asked Rep. McClain if Bill 1069 would mean that a fifth-grade girl experiencing her first menstrual cycle would be unable to talk to her teacher about it. Rep. McClain replied that it would.

Other important features of Bill 1069

Florida Bill 1069 would restrict how human sexuality can be discussed and taught in schools in numerous ways. In addition to preventing students below sixth grade from discussing menstruation, Bill 1069 would:[1]

Require that all sexual health teaching materials gain pre-approval from the Florida Department of Education.
Allow parents to restrict access to certain library materials.
Require schools to teach that gender is based on reproductive function at birth.
What are the potential consequences of this legislation?

The restrictions in Bill 1069 are concerning to many people in healthcare, education, and public policy around the country. Organizations such as Planned Parenthood and the ACLU have spoken out against this bill.[2][3] There are several reasons for this. As Rep. Gantt pointed out in her questioning, many girls have their first menstrual cycle before they reach sixth grade.

The average age range for a first menstrual cycle in the United States is anywhere between 10 to 16, but it’s not rare for a first period to occur in a girl as young as eight.[4]

Although it can vary slightly by exact birthdays and school district regulations, most children turn twelve the year they’re in sixth grade. This, Dr. Sophia Yen MD, MPH, founder of Pandia Health and clinical associate professor at Stanford Medical School tells MDLinx, is simply too late.

“Girls need to receive this education before their first menstrual cycle. Otherwise, they’re bleeding, they have blood coming out of their bodies, and they don’t know why. They think they’re dying, they think they have an infection. It’s a terrifying experience because no one explained what was going to happen,” Yen says.

Beyond creating unnecessary fear during puberty, not talking about menstruation until the sixth grade could cause a stigma or sense of shame around a natural body function. “We don’t avoid talking about nosebleeds, or any other kind of bleeding. Why this bleeding? What makes this something we can’t talk about in schools? Why is something these girls can’t even ask about? That absolutely makes it seem like something to be ashamed of and that needs to be kept a secret,” Yen says.

Girls in fifth, and even third and fourth grades, will experience puberty and begin menstruation even if they aren’t taught in school and are unable to ask a teacher about it. Silence on the topic sends a message, especially to children that age. “It’s ridiculous, and there’s no reason for it. I can’t believe this is being suggested in 2023," Yen says.

Bill 1069 is currently waiting for a scheduled date on the Florida house floor. Rep. McClain and other supporters of the bill argue that it is similar to other recent bills that have passed in Florida and are hopeful Bill 1069 will pass.

However, the bill is highly controversial and Rep. McClain has stated he would be willing to make minor changes to some sections.

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In my culture (South Indian) - a woman can’t go to the temple when she’s on your period because it’s considered unclean. You wouldn’t believe what I had to say about that, as a newly-menstruating sixteen year old. And I hated going to the temple. But to have my right to go if I want to taken from me over something completely natural, something I had no control over!?

And that was… Nothing, compared to this. Less than nothing.

I cannot fathom what goes through these politicians’ minds. They really will stoop to anything for a couple more campaign bucks.
 

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In my culture (South Indian) - a woman can’t go to the temple when she’s on your period because it’s considered unclean. You wouldn’t believe what I had to say about that, as a newly-menstruating sixteen year old. And I hated going to the temple. But to have my right to go if I want to taken from me over something completely natural, something I had no control over!?

And that was… Nothing, compared to this. Less than nothing.

I cannot fathom what goes through these politicians’ minds. They really will stoop to anything for a couple more campaign bucks.

Yes our entire healthcare and political system is messed up. Understatement of the century unfortunately. And now, this topic notwithstanding, there is a new bill potentially going into effect that’s going to drastically change healthcare for millions. And for once I’m at a loss for words. Because I’m so exhausted. As that meme goes. I’m exhausted from holding this sign up for so many decades :(

I’m glad to be closer to the end of my life than the beginning and I’m sorry for all those young people left with this HUGE mess
 

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In my culture (South Indian) - a woman can’t go to the temple when she’s on your period because it’s considered unclean. You wouldn’t believe what I had to say about that, as a newly-menstruating sixteen year old. And I hated going to the temple. But to have my right to go if I want to taken from me over something completely natural, something I had no control over!?

And that was… Nothing, compared to this. Less than nothing.

I cannot fathom what goes through these politicians’ minds. They really will stoop to anything for a couple more campaign bucks.

On her period.

Her being on your period would be quite a different matter altogether.

Thank you for the very helpful sentence complete there, phone. :wall:
 

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Surprising this is happening in Florida (said no one ever). How long before Texas, Idaho and Wyoming do the same?

Does anyone believe the majority of men who wrote this Florida bill could correctly identify by name any of the internal and external female reproductive system?
 

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Proposed Florida bill would restrict discussions of menstruation in school
By Stephanie Behring | Fact-checked by Jessica Wrubel | Published March 30, 2023

Florida Bill 1069 limits the discussion of sexual health to students in grades six through 12.

Many girls experience their first menstrual cycle before entering the sixth grade.

Some argue that the proposed Florida legislation creates unnecessary fear, shame, and stigma around menstruation

Earlier this month, Florida House Representative Republican Stan McClain proposed a bill aiming to set limits on how schools cover the topic of human sexuality and to what age groups it is taught, causing some to speak out in outrage.

As with similar legislation in Florida, the newly proposed bill 1069 has the stated goal of allowing parent control over when their children learn this information. The bill has cleared committees and is on its way to the Florida House floor.

Florida Bill 1069 and discussions of menstruation

Florida Bill 1069 restricts all discussion of human sexuality to students who are in fifth through twelfth grades. This goes beyond previous Florida regulations restricting discussions of sexuality and gender identity to include any discussion of topics such as reproduction, sexually transmitted infections, puberty, and menstruation for students in fifth grade or below.

Although the bill cleared house committees, these restrictions are controversial. During one session, House Representative Ashley Gantt, a former teacher, asked Rep. McClain if Bill 1069 would mean that a fifth-grade girl experiencing her first menstrual cycle would be unable to talk to her teacher about it. Rep. McClain replied that it would.

Other important features of Bill 1069

Florida Bill 1069 would restrict how human sexuality can be discussed and taught in schools in numerous ways. In addition to preventing students below sixth grade from discussing menstruation, Bill 1069 would:[1]

Require that all sexual health teaching materials gain pre-approval from the Florida Department of Education.
Allow parents to restrict access to certain library materials.
Require schools to teach that gender is based on reproductive function at birth.
What are the potential consequences of this legislation?

The restrictions in Bill 1069 are concerning to many people in healthcare, education, and public policy around the country. Organizations such as Planned Parenthood and the ACLU have spoken out against this bill.[2][3] There are several reasons for this. As Rep. Gantt pointed out in her questioning, many girls have their first menstrual cycle before they reach sixth grade.

The average age range for a first menstrual cycle in the United States is anywhere between 10 to 16, but it’s not rare for a first period to occur in a girl as young as eight.[4]

Although it can vary slightly by exact birthdays and school district regulations, most children turn twelve the year they’re in sixth grade. This, Dr. Sophia Yen MD, MPH, founder of Pandia Health and clinical associate professor at Stanford Medical School tells MDLinx, is simply too late.

“Girls need to receive this education before their first menstrual cycle. Otherwise, they’re bleeding, they have blood coming out of their bodies, and they don’t know why. They think they’re dying, they think they have an infection. It’s a terrifying experience because no one explained what was going to happen,” Yen says.

Beyond creating unnecessary fear during puberty, not talking about menstruation until the sixth grade could cause a stigma or sense of shame around a natural body function. “We don’t avoid talking about nosebleeds, or any other kind of bleeding. Why this bleeding? What makes this something we can’t talk about in schools? Why is something these girls can’t even ask about? That absolutely makes it seem like something to be ashamed of and that needs to be kept a secret,” Yen says.

Girls in fifth, and even third and fourth grades, will experience puberty and begin menstruation even if they aren’t taught in school and are unable to ask a teacher about it. Silence on the topic sends a message, especially to children that age. “It’s ridiculous, and there’s no reason for it. I can’t believe this is being suggested in 2023," Yen says.

Bill 1069 is currently waiting for a scheduled date on the Florida house floor. Rep. McClain and other supporters of the bill argue that it is similar to other recent bills that have passed in Florida and are hopeful Bill 1069 will pass.

However, the bill is highly controversial and Rep. McClain has stated he would be willing to make minor changes to some sections.

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Unbelievable. Those poor younger girls who will think they are dying. :(:(

Maybe the politicians need to leave education to teachers and health care to doctors. If they think that normal body functions can't be taught before the age of 18, then maybe they need to legislate that menstruation will not be allowed to occur before the age of 18! :lol::lol:

Sorry,I don’t mean to joke, but they are being ridiculously misogynist. To me, they seem to have an inordinate amount of hatred toward women. I trust that they are all OK with being celibate….. and that none of them have wives or daughters. Because if they do, how do they align such attitudes with members of their families whom they probably profess to love? I don’t get it.
 

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To me, they seem to have an inordinate amount of hatred toward women.

Yes. This.
How many times do we need to see that they are trying to control women?
It is about controlling, policing, punishing, and exiling the ‘bad’ women who challenge the patriarchy.
Women are dehumanized and treated merely as vessels for delivering new life.
The far right are trying to take over our bodies and our minds.
Taking away our freedoms little by little.
They hate women and no one will convince me otherwise.
Anti-abortion legislation enables men to control women’s bodies and it is never about the fetus. After the baby is born they don't give a shi*
States passing anti-abortion legislation have among the highest infant mortality rates in the country.
This is, pure and simple, an assault on women’s rights, human rights, and democracy
 

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yssie

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Yes. This.
How many times do we need to see that they are trying to control women?
It is about controlling, policing, punishing, and exiling the ‘bad’ women who challenge the patriarchy.
Women are dehumanized and treated merely as vessels for delivering new life.
The far right are trying to take over our bodies and our minds.
Taking away our freedoms little by little.
They hate women and no one will convince me otherwise.
Anti-abortion legislation enables men to control women’s bodies and it is never about the fetus. After the baby is born they don't give a shi*
States passing anti-abortion legislation have among the highest infant mortality rates in the country.
This is, pure and simple, an assault on women’s rights, human rights, and democracy

All of this.

I’m still rooting for required child support from 6 weeks after conception.

That might make these lunatic edicts ever so slightly less chauvinist?

It would at least convey the impression that it really is about the well-being of the embryo.
 

ItsMainelyYou

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I'm so disgusted I can't articulate it into words the war against women being waged in large swaths of the country.
No surprise, they also lie about 'being able to just go somewhere else'.
How can we call ourselves a free country? The is Theocratic tyranny.
 

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