Please help me find a diamond

[Julia_T]

I live in Sweden and a friend of my will go to US tomorrow. I am going to order a diamond and she will pick it up.
I will order from the internet and I neep help.
I would wan''t a 0.3 brilliant. D-F, IF-vvs1. Ideal cut and certification.
One that has the best fire and scintillation for a round brilliant diamond.
I wan''t onte that my jeweler would be quite impressed with the light return and qualite.
It''s also important that it''s not a conflict diamond.
Is this a good diamond (I now it''s a vvs2 =(). Can you found a better to a better price?
http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?__fun_frm=i&track=view_details_btn&elem=img&pid=LD01045973&filter_id=0

My budget is 700-1300$

Thank you!

 

[Deelight]

Hey there *points above* the best way to search is to do a pricescope search up the top I did a quick search for you but found nothing in your budget in that clarity colour combo range

Was there a specific reason you wanted such a high clarity?

I did however find 2 diamonds in the VVS2 range which is still very high, one is a D colour .31 ($1363) the other .40 F vvs2 ($1040 with pricescope discount) slightly larger then you were after though

GL with your search

 

[Julia_T]

Hi!

For me the quality is more importante than the size. Here in Sweden we usually don''t have so big diamonds in our rings as in the US. The jeweller recommended a stone D-F, IF-vvs and with a good cut. Some jeweller will not accept diamonds with lower value.

Is this a good diamond?
http://www.whiteflash.com/round/Round-cut-diamond-421660.htm#

 

[Ellen]

Hi Julia,

That one from James Allen that Deelight found looks great



Here''s a few more I found, although nothing in your budget with those specs (really limits things). If you could possibly lower them a tad, there are more choices. You would get a 2% Pricescope discount on these.


http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-12495.htm#


http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-204641.htm#


http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-395187.htm#


http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-8221.htm#

 

[Ellen]

Date: 11/22/2007 7:12:17 AM
Author: Julia_T

Hi!

For me the quality is more importante than the size. Here in Sweden we usually don''t have so big diamonds in our rings as in the US. The jeweller recommended a stone D-F, IF-vvs and with a good cut. Some jeweller will not accept diamonds with lower value.

Is this a good diamond?
http://www.whiteflash.com/round/Round-cut-diamond-421660.htm#

Julia, I was typing while you were.

This one may have potential. You''d need to have them call it in, it''s not in house. Have them do an Idealscope picture and Sarin on it, that would tell you for sure.

 

[Julia_T]

Thank you Deelight and Ellen!
Is it better when the diamond has a AGS-certificate?
Do you know who long it take to call in a diamond?

What are an Idealscope picture and Sarin?

 

[Ellen]

Date: 11/22/2007 8:05:15 AM
Author: Julia_T
Thank you Deelight and Ellen!
Is it better when the diamond has a AGS-certificate?
Do you know who long it take to call in a diamond?

What are an Idealscope picture and Sarin?

Welcome!


1. To me it''s not, but there are others who prefer an AGS grading report.

2. I don''t know, I''ve never had a diamond called in. I would guess a day or two to get it, and unless they''re swamped, the results would be up the same day they get it. Of course, weekends would play a role, as they''re closed Sat. and Sun.


3. If you look at one of the links I posted, underneath reports, are Sarin, and Idealscope. You can click on those. The Sarin is a more precise measurement of the stone. The Idealscope picture lets you get a good idea of a diamonds light return.

If you would like indepth explanations of these, just do a search on here for them.

 

[Julia_T]

What are you looking for when you choose a diamond?

 

[Deelight]

Your welcome Julia In Australia as well on the majority the size of the diamonds is usually 1/2 a carat and under though some sport bigger I do agree bigger is not always better .

For me and fairly well everyone else around here cut is king. The cut is what makes a diamond come to life and shine and sparkle like there is no tomorrow and that to me that is what that major part of quality is all about . In saying that though we all have our own personal preferences and tolerances when it comes to colour and clarity for me it is no lower then an F and VS2 though I would not object to higher.

 

[canuk-gal]

Reposted from Jewellery forum: Here is my post from the jewellery forum (OP wrote yesterday) reiterating options:

HI:

Welcome. May I ask what your budget is? I ask because I too have been looking for stones in this size range (starting at .30 points), D or E color, IF or VVS1 clarity, ideal cut. The prices I have found are not lower than the Blue Nile stone you posted a link to, which, incidentally, is a VVS2. I do not know the origin of these stones (regarding conflict free diamonds...)

Nice Ice has a .33 E VVS1 AGS cert: (first stone on list).
http://www.niceice.com/privatereserve/reserve4.htm

Whiteflash has two stones, .30 E VVS1 and .39 D VVS1 in their Expert Selection category, both AGS cert:

http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-10635.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-14672.htm

Good Old Gold has a .37 D IF H & A with a GIA cert:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/3776/

And a few in James Allen's virtual lists I did not post.......

ETA: Dutton Diamonds has a Canadian Diamond (non conflict), Cut by Infinity, . 36 E VVS2, AGS (0) cert:

http://www.diamondexpert.com/diamonds/dbs.cgi?
sf=detd.setup.cgi&active=active&stock=RB10003361&submit_search=1

Another .36 F VVS1, Cut by Infinity, Canadian, AGS (1) cert:

http://www.diamondexpert.com/diamonds/dbs.cgi?sf=detd.setup.cgi&active=active&stock=RB20003361&submit_search=1

cheers--Sharon

 

[Ellen]

Sharon, did you find those at WF by searching on the board here? And I couldn''t get GOG to come up??



To Julia, I personally want a totally eyeclean diamond (that CAN be all the way down to an SI2, believe it or not), H or higher, H&A Excellent/Ideal cut. But it''s totally personal, and different for everyone.

As said before, cut is king, and what truly makes a beautiful diamond.

 

[canuk-gal]

HI:

Ellen: the ES diamonds at WF were found by searching their site. I cannot explain the GOG blank screen, I found the stones last night....having searched on previous occasions.....maybe in the cutting and pasting from one forum to another?????

. I guess I should have checked each and every link for viability after the cut/paste but alas I did not....sorry....

ETA: Here is that Dutton link that did not work:

http://www.diamondexpert.com/diamonds/dbs.cgi?sf=detd.setup.cgi&active=active&stock=RB10003361&submit_search=1


cheers--Sharon

 

[Ellen]

Date: 11/22/2007 10:14:31 AM
Author: canuk-gal
HI:

Ellen: the ES diamonds at WF were found by searching their site. I cannot explain the GOG blank screen, I found the stones last night....having searched on previous occasions.....maybe in the cutting and pasting from one forum to another?????

. I guess I should have checked each and every link for viability after the cut/paste but alas I did not....sorry....

Well, I must be blind, lol, as I didn''t see those.

The reason I asked, a couple times there have been stones found by others, using the search feature here, but those same stones didn''t show up when I searched the actual site...And that''s normally what I do, search the site, so that''s why I asked.

In this case, I think more coffeee was needed?!

Thanks!

 

[Julia_T]

What do you think about this diamond?

http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?__fun_frm=i&track=view_details_btn&elem=img&pid=LD00953785&filter_id=0

I am going to have a yellow gold ring so I thougt that maby it can be ok with a G-color diamond... or do you think it''s better to keep a very good color and take a lower clarity?

There are many great suggestions. Thank you!

I am going to order today and it''s so difficult to decide which one!! Which one of these would you buy? Suddenly there is so many good ones.

 

[Deelight]

For me as I am very colour sensitive I would up the colour and drop the clarity with VVS range your really paying for something you can''t see, and in a beautiful diamond in the .30 range you would be hard pressed seeing something in VS2 IMO at the end of the day though you have to work within not only what is eye clean but what is mind clean for you.

Here are a few I pulled in your budget that are in house the prices on the site don''t include pricescope discounts either

.30 E VS2 H&A

.311 ACA H&A F VS1

.314 ACA H&A F VS2

.317 ACA H&A E VS2

.336 ACA H&A E VS2

.338 ACA H&A E VS1 The small inclusion on this one looks like a smiley face

YAY a happy diamond *pokes the report*

 

[Julia_T]

Hi!

My daugher has a temperature of 40°C so I diden''t have time to decide which one to buy yesterday.

Now I really have to hurry to decide so I can manage to go to the bank before the close (2 hours)
I am choosing between:

Nice Ice has a .33 E VVS1 AGS cert: (first stone on list).
http://www.niceice.com/privatereserve/reserve4.htm

ETA: Dutton Diamonds has a Canadian Diamond (non conflict), Cut by Infinity, . 36 E VVS2, AGS (0) cert:
http://www.diamondexpert.com/diamonds/dbs.cgi?
sf=detd.setup.cgi&active=active&stock=RB10003361&submit_search=1


http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?__fun_frm=i&track=view_details_btn&elem=img&pid=LD00953785&filter_id=0
http://www.whiteflash.com/round/Round-cut-diamond-10746.htm#

http://www.whiteflash.com/round/Round-cut-diamond-421660.htm#

 

[Ellen]

The one from Nice Ice looks fine.

The one from BN looks fine too.


The first one from WF has an older grading report, and it doesn''t look to be in house, so can''t really comment.

The second one doesn''t look to be in house either. You''d need these called in and looked at first.



I have to ask though, what''s the rush? This is kind of an important purchase, I''d recommend slowing down a bit.

 

[canuk-gal]

HI:

You menitoned the "conflict free status" and the latter is diamond of Canadian origin as stated on the website, can't speak to the others as you would have to call and find out.....

http://www.diamondexpert.com/diamonds/dbs.cgi?sf=detd.setup.cgi&active=active&stock=RB10003361&submit_search=1

Take care!!

cheers--Sharon

 

[Julia_T]

Ellen: The rush because I have a friend that is in USA right now until thursday so she can take the diamond with her to Sweden. If I order and they send the package to Sweden I have to pay +38% in taxes and customs.

So a diamant that cost 1200 will cost over 1750 dollar (with freight).

My bank sad that bank wire to US will take one week. And it''s to long time. Just when I thougt that I can''t order, whiteflash sad that it would be ok with Paypal and it will take only one day maximum.

I can have this for 1166 dollar
What do you think about this?

http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/Diamond_Details.aspx?idno=10635#

 

[E B]

Date: 11/23/2007 1:51:10 PM
Author: Julia_T

I can have this for 1166 dollar

What do you think about this?

http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/Diamond_Details.aspx?idno=10635#

It looks beautiful! Hopefully a professional can weigh in further (re: the depth?).

 

[Julia_T]

I have looked at so many diamonds now so I am dizzy.
The last one was witheflashs proposition. Is it a good cut or is it so-so?

 

[Ellen]

Date: 11/23/2007 2:42:49 PM
Author: Julia_T
I have looked at so many diamonds now so I am dizzy.
The last one was witheflashs proposition. Is it a good cut or is it so-so?

In my opinion, so so. I don''t like how shallow the PA angle is. If you look at the enlarged photo of it, compared to some others, you can see it lacks the definition the others have. In my opinion you can do better, and because of your situation, you need to get it right the first time.

I would suggest one of these. I know they''re VVS2, but I just plain like them more.

http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-12495.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-204641.htm#

Because of the high clarity you''re seeking, the choices are just terribly limited.

 

[Julia_T]

Thank''s Ellen. I will skipp that diamond.

Right now I am considering the James Allen diamond. http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VVS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1060483.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131

or

http://www.diamondexpert.com/diamonds/dbs.cgi?sf=detd.setup.cgi&active=active&stock=RB10003361&submit_search=1

They accept foreign account.

Or what do you think?
I will buy the one you think is the best.

 

[Ellen]

If it were me, I''d pick one of the WF stones, or the one from Dutton''s. Any of those will be a real beauty. Up to you on which one.

Just a note: Face up size, Dutton''s is the smallest, and the WF D is the largest. There is a noticable amount of visual spread difference there. I know size isn''t your main goal, but I thought I''d mention it anyway.

 

[Julia_T]

Hasen''t the James Allen diamant a little table?
I allways check the diamant her and this daimant gets 0.5 Total Visual Performance. Isen''t 1.0 best?

I am so grateful for all help! You are good as gold!

 

[Julia_T]

Ops. Forgot the link
https://www.pricescope.com/cutadviser.asp

 

[DiamanteBlu]

Julia -

I have not read the entire thread so my comment may be redundant. To me, the sweet spot for a very white diamond is F VS2. When I got my first diamond many years ago I went for a VVS1 [I had a heart attack when I was shown a stone with inclusions under a loupe - you coudn''t see anything with the naked eye but, boy, with the loupe . . . What I did not realize at the time is that, given sufficient magnification, all stones will show inclusions. If I knew then what I know now, I would have gone for a VS2 and a larger size with the same color.

Hope this helps.

DB

 

[Ellen]

Date: 11/23/2007 5:57:51 PM
Author: Julia_T
Hasen''t the James Allen diamant a little table?
I allways check the diamant her and this daimant gets 0.5 Total Visual Performance. Isen''t 1.0 best?

I am so grateful for all help! You are good as gold!

No, not really little. Most prefer anywhere from 54-57,58ish. It''s perfectly acceptable.

As for HCA scores, anything below 2, that preferably falls within AGS territory is a go ahead to get more info. But you already have what is needed as far as pics, angles, etc.

Gary states most people prefer in the 1-2 range.

 

[Julia_T]

Why do you lite the last D, WithFlash diamond best?

When I put the values in the Holloway Cut Adviser I get this:

Factor Grade
Light Return Excellent
Fire: Very Good
Scintillation Very Good
Spread
or diameter for weight Very Good

 

[Ellen]

Date: 11/23/2007 6:22:15 PM
Author: Julia_T
Why do you lite the last D, WithFlash diamond best?

When I put the values in the Holloway Cut Adviser I get this:

Factor Grade
Light Return Excellent
Fire: Very Good
Scintillation Very Good
Spread
or diameter for weight Very Good

I never said I liked it best, I just said it was the largest.

There''s nothing wrong with those results, which for the record, are just a "prediction", as it can''t "see" your diamond. Any of these will be very pretty.