Date: 2/22/2008 12:46:24 PM
Author: MoonWater
Well, I think he did a better job than she did. She got a nice story in the end there, but it was obviously something she planned to use, regardless of the last question. The only problem with that story is perhaps she wouldn''t have seen so many wounded warriors had she not voted for the war. It''s a strange situation she''s in.
Also, I honestly can not believe that she brought up the plagiarism thing again. Is that the strongest attack she has? Obama borrowed an idea from a friend that works on his campaign, it was suggested to him and was very applicable. Meanwhile, Clinton has not only stolen some of Obama''s lines, she''s also stolen from Edwards, Ron Paul, and her own husband. But no one threw that in her face because it''s absurd.
And last, why was she smiling so much? I understand that you want to look friendly, but she smiled at the most inappropriate moments. It was creepy. Maybe that''s a habit she picked up from Bill.
Date: 2/23/2008 2:20:16 AM
Author: FrekeChild
Date: 2/22/2008 12:46:24 PM
Author: MoonWater
Well, I think he did a better job than she did. She got a nice story in the end there, but it was obviously something she planned to use, regardless of the last question. The only problem with that story is perhaps she wouldn't have seen so many wounded warriors had she not voted for the war. It's a strange situation she's in.
Also, I honestly can not believe that she brought up the plagiarism thing again. Is that the strongest attack she has? Obama borrowed an idea from a friend that works on his campaign, it was suggested to him and was very applicable. Meanwhile, Clinton has not only stolen some of Obama's lines, she's also stolen from Edwards, Ron Paul, and her own husband. But no one threw that in her face because it's absurd.
And last, why was she smiling so much? I understand that you want to look friendly, but she smiled at the most inappropriate moments. It was creepy. Maybe that's a habit she picked up from Bill.
I agree MoonWater. She kept smiling and had this creepy smirk on her face when she wasn't openly smiling.
I'm really turned off by the fact that she keeps bringing up the plagiarism 'issue'. Really, I'm only concerned with plagiarism if you're a college student or a journalist. When you're a politician, EVERYTHING is recycled. It was immature and made her look bad instead of the way she intended it. It's the sign of a person who knows they're losing, she's getting spiteful and it's really ugly. I can only imagine that it'll get worse if he continues winning.
AND, it was a very weak metaphor. If you think about what the actual meaning of that sentence is, she's not really saying what she intends to, IMO. His speech is "change you can xerox"? His speech isn't change at all. It's a "speech you can xerox." But she wanted a soundbyte to counter his "change you can believe in." That really bugged me. I'm not a fan of bad metaphors, they're one of my pet peeves.Date: 2/22/2008 1:51:41 AM
Author: FrekeChild
I think the Xerox comment was a big low blow and probably hurt her.
Date: 2/24/2008 8:45:38 PM
Author: widget
Can you imagine what he''s been up to in the last eight years??? I bet the Republicans know, and have made a list!
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Absolutely. I have never donated to any candidate before until him. I donated and then promised a matching donation. I think Bill and Hillary are absolutely disgusting people. They will blame the "vast right wing conspiracy" in a heartbeat and never take responsibility for their actions. Just in how they have handled this campaign alone is utterly disturbing. Do you remember her attack on Obama over the pro-choice issue right before New Hampshire? She LIED, and got other elected officials (that are women) to sign a letter against him: Trying To Heal A Rift (be sure the read the comments from readers to see what the Clintons are doing to the democratic party).Date: 2/25/2008 5:33:24 PM
Author: FrekeChild
This stuff that you''ve been finding MoonWater is pretty awesome. I take it you''re a Obama supporter as well?
Ditto, ditto, ditto.Date: 2/25/2008 9:14:11 PM
Author: FrekeChild
I'm just going to throw this in...
All of the very conservative Republicans that I know-and it's quite a few-have said that they'd vote for Obama over McCain. All of them said that they would never ever vote for Hillary. And a lot of democrats are getting frustrated with Hillary and all of the BS she keeps spouting off. I'm tired of her already and would never vote for her.
Just driving around I see more Obama signs than Clinton signs. And I have yet to see any McCain signs. And I'm all over the city, not in a liberal area.
Also. Nader sucks. Why does he keep running for president? Is he a closet Republican? Is he doing it for ego reasons? What is his deal?
And no offense, but DC in general has no idea whats going on in the rest of the country.
Hahaha Musey! How did you get to be so liberal with conservative parents? Mine are super liberal, and my mom even had my voter''s registration signed and sent in on my 18th birthday just so I could vote against Bush.Date: 2/26/2008 2:06:42 PM
Author: musey
Ditto, ditto, ditto.Date: 2/25/2008 9:14:11 PM
Author: FrekeChild
I''m just going to throw this in...
All of the very conservative Republicans that I know-and it''s quite a few-have said that they''d vote for Obama over McCain. All of them said that they would never ever vote for Hillary. And a lot of democrats are getting frustrated with Hillary and all of the BS she keeps spouting off. I''m tired of her already and would never vote for her.
Just driving around I see more Obama signs than Clinton signs. And I have yet to see any McCain signs. And I''m all over the city, not in a liberal area.
Also. Nader sucks. Why does he keep running for president? Is he a closet Republican? Is he doing it for ego reasons? What is his deal?
And no offense, but DC in general has no idea whats going on in the rest of the country.
Even my conservative parents, who are Bush supporters, are beginning to switch loyalties from McCain to Obama.
Also, Obama is really mobilizing the young vote. Shameful, I know, but I was not registered to vote in CA until I caught on to his campaign. Then I made sure I was registered to vote in time for the primary. I know many in my age group who have done the same--and even more who have registered since then, specifically because they want to cast their vote for Obama. I don''t know anyone who''s done that for McCain or Clinton, and out of all my friends and acquaintances who''ve made their political stance known, only one is not an Obama supporter.
(Then again, I live in LA, which is known to be one of Obama''s strongholds.)
People really underestimate the power of the young vote, IMO, especially in an election as polarizing as this one. Obama has made it a point to reach out to young voters, and he''s very, very good at speaking their/our language. We ''get'' him. I think that that ups his chances out of the ''snowball''s chance in hell'' range
Haha! Hmm, I really don''t know! I have two brothers, one is conservative and the other is moderate. I''d call myself socially liberal but economically conservative. They often don''t go well togetherDate: 2/26/2008 4:53:08 PM
Author: FrekeChild
Hahaha Musey! How did you get to be so liberal with conservative parents?
Yes, this is something that is bothersome to me.Date: 2/28/2008 7:02:56 AM
Author: perry
A really interesting question is: What is a conservative and what is a liberal.
I happen to live about 1.5 hours from the birthplace of the Republican Party... (Ripon Wisconsin). What those people believed in and faught for has very little relationship to the modern concept of a Republican.
The problem with this is that it implies that everyone should/could have a similar stance on political issues, which (as you are well aware) is just impossible.My definition of a liberal and a conservative is very close on what they should be standing for; with a somewhat minor difference in how the policies are implemented.
Date: 2/28/2008 12:16:24 PM
Author: musey
Date: 2/28/2008 7:02:56 AM
Author: perry
A really interesting question is: What is a conservative and what is a liberal.
I happen to live about 1.5 hours from the birthplace of the Republican Party... (Ripon Wisconsin). What those people believed in and faught for has very little relationship to the modern concept of a Republican.
Yes, this is something that is bothersome to me.
I tend to define my political beliefs by what has become mainstream as far as definitions for republican/democrat/liberal/conservative, as opposed to how it all ''began.'' I find that defining it that way is more meaningful and less confusing/misleading to those I converse with on the topic.
My definition of a liberal and a conservative is very close on what they should be standing for; with a somewhat minor difference in how the policies are implemented.
The problem with this is that it implies that everyone should/could have a similar stance on political issues, which (as you are well aware) is just impossible.
The parties and conservative/liberal labels likely evolved simply out of necessity: the reality is that the general population does have very different ideas about what should and shouldn''t be ''allowed'' (gay marriage, abortion, immigration, and a million other things). This makes sense to me, and I have no problem going along with the new ''definitions'' of political labels. Maybe because politics as a whole is relatively ''new'' to me, too, as a young person.