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That was before vanity sizing. I don't think she would be considered fat.movie zombie|1411682745|3757044 said:great song.
depressing to think that Ms Marilyn Monroe would now be considered "fat"......sigh.
JulieN|1411749839|3757395 said:I liked this song too. For about a day. It was catchy. Until I realized how terible in so many ways the song and video is.
1) White dancer grabs black dancer's butt.
2) Sings something about "skinny bitches." No need to to bash skinny women to make fat women feel better.
3) Large guy dancing? He needs a larger shirt. Putting someone in ill-fitting clothes out there for the world to see is not giving him dignity.
4) Song has clear influences of doo-wop and classic R&B, the style of the video (like the clothes they are wearing and other cues in the video) is mostly 60s influence, which is an uncomfortable reminder back to the day when white artists would cover a song that is doing well on the R&B chart, and then take it to the top of the pop chart. I think cultural appropriation is fine, but don't claim you're "bringing booty back" in the same breath.
5) Something "skinny bitches." I feel really uncomfortable with singing that line.
Calliecake|1411758783|3757497 said:I hate the term skinny bitches for size 2 girls. Not a positive message. Why can't we just teach our girls to love their bodies regardless of what size they are. Bashing thin girls is just as bad as bashing heavier girls.
AGBF|1411786451|3757670 said:On the other hand, I know the song was written by a 20 year-old
monarch64|1411828302|3757785 said:I kept hearing that song all summer, but honestly it's so over-sung and over-engineered that the only line I could understand was the title/chorus. I did some quick research though and it seems this girl has been writing songs for 10-12 years, hooked up with a big time songwriter and they concocted this ditty and are making a mint off it. Might have something to do with her tongue-in-cheek use of the term "skinny bitches" which is obviously meant to incite discussion and generate publicity. Clever, really.
missy|1411831786|3757800 said:monarch64|1411828302|3757785 said:I kept hearing that song all summer, but honestly it's so over-sung and over-engineered that the only line I could understand was the title/chorus. I did some quick research though and it seems this girl has been writing songs for 10-12 years, hooked up with a big time songwriter and they concocted this ditty and are making a mint off it. Might have something to do with her tongue-in-cheek use of the term "skinny bitches" which is obviously meant to incite discussion and generate publicity. Clever, really.
My issue with this song is the artist using the term skinny bitches. Just like I don't care for other vulgar terms that some use to take the sting out of the words if you kwim. Tongue in cheek or not. It's not OK when men use the word bitch (or cunt to name a few) to refer to women (whether joking or not) and it's not OK from my perspective for women to use it either even if in jest because it perpetuates its use. Just as it's not OK to use the word n*****r. Whether black or white I find it offensive no matter the person using it though I understand there is a difference I still hate its use. I know both words can be used as a term of endearment but I find nothing endearing about either.
Sexist language demeans women (as racist language demeans minorities) and has the power to make women feel marginalized. Yeah words can hurt. That's never OK as I think sexist (and racist language) is oppressive no matter if it is tongue in cheek or not. Remember that saying that in every joke there is some truth? Well I feel continuing to use language like this perpetuates the original meaning behind these derogatory terms.
Of course YMMV but this is my perspective.
monarch64|1411832426|3757805 said:missy|1411831786|3757800 said:monarch64|1411828302|3757785 said:I kept hearing that song all summer, but honestly it's so over-sung and over-engineered that the only line I could understand was the title/chorus. I did some quick research though and it seems this girl has been writing songs for 10-12 years, hooked up with a big time songwriter and they concocted this ditty and are making a mint off it. Might have something to do with her tongue-in-cheek use of the term "skinny bitches" which is obviously meant to incite discussion and generate publicity. Clever, really.
My issue with this song is the artist using the term skinny bitches. Just like I don't care for other vulgar terms that some use to take the sting out of the words if you kwim. Tongue in cheek or not. It's not OK when men use the word bitch (or cunt to name a few) to refer to women (whether joking or not) and it's not OK from my perspective for women to use it either even if in jest because it perpetuates its use. Just as it's not OK to use the word n*****r. Whether black or white I find it offensive no matter the person using it though I understand there is a difference I still hate its use. I know both words can be used as a term of endearment but I find nothing endearing about either.
Sexist language demeans women (as racist language demeans minorities) and has the power to make women feel marginalized. Yeah words can hurt. That's never OK as I think sexist (and racist language) is oppressive no matter if it is tongue in cheek or not. Remember that saying that in every joke there is some truth? Well I feel continuing to use language like this perpetuates the original meaning behind these derogatory terms.
Of course YMMV but this is my perspective.
I appreciate your POV. Again, I never even heard the line until this thread was posted and I watched the video. I don't pay that much attention to bubble gum pop music lyrics because typically they're super weak. With this song, its intended market probably isn't anyone over 15, and those kids are trying on different vernaculars and terms and pushing their parents' boundaries, etc. I hate to get all Tipper Gore on a 23 year old because she used the word bitch whether it appeals to me or not. Kids grow up, they stop using language that is not acceptable in everyday life, the end. I can't really sit around analyzing the lyrics of songs that are meant for a completely different audience these days. Too old, too fat.
monarch64|1411828302|3757785 said:I kept hearing that song all summer, but honestly it's so over-sung and over-engineered that the only line I could understand was the title/chorus. I did some quick research though and it seems this girl has been writing songs for 10-12 years, hooked up with a big time songwriter and they concocted this ditty and are making a mint off it. Might have something to do with her tongue-in-cheek use of the term "skinny bitches" which is obviously meant to incite discussion and generate publicity. Clever, really.