thediamondgal
Rough_Rock
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Hello to all Pricescopers!
This is my first post but I am a frequent lurker on your wonderful forum. Now, I need your help! I apologize in advance because this is LONG, but I''m so mad about this horrible situation and I need some advice!
My wonderful mom recently decided that she is in the market for a new e-ring. She approached the people from whom she bought her original stone (local acquiantences of hers) about the possibility of getting something new. While discussing this with them, they asked whether, while she was considering new stones, she wanted them to try to sell her old diamond for her. She said sure, and they did so.
Enter pricescope! About 6 months before my mom''s search started, my now-fiance and I started ring shopping. Thanks to this website, we gained a TON of diamond knowledge that we put to use in purchasing my own stone (which I bought from a Pricescope vendor). Well, as you Pricescopers know, once you get wind of all there is to know about diamonds, you can''t stand the thought of someone you love making an uninformed purchase! So per my advice, my mom started lurking here too, and learing as much as she could about diamonds.
Well, in the meantime, the people from whom she purchased her original stone (let''s just call them the Evil Diamond Men, or the EDM), started showing her diamonds that, in my opinion, were not thr best choices for her. Now, my own stone is not an RB so I don''t know THAT much about them, but they were showing her lots of RBs with depths in the 63-64% range, and many were SI2, H color and all with EGL Israel certs. Now, get this, when she started tossing around the info she''d learned from Pricescope and asking to actually see the certs, they FLIPPED. And I mean, flipped out on her. They told her that the numbers don''t matter at all, that she just needs to "look" at the stone and trust them. They said that she was making a huge mistake listening to people online, who don''t know what they''re talking about. They said they couldn''t believe she didn''t just "trust" them to pick stones for her. And they repeatedly ridiculed her just for asking to see the certs on the stones they were showing her! They literally would sigh and say "oh, here we go again."
Every time she rejected a stone from them that wasn''t up to par (one was a 5-something on the HCA, for ex, although they say they have never heard of the HCA!) they got exasperated and angry and told her she was being "unreasonable" and impossible to please, and that she was making a huge mistake rejecting these supposedly fabulous stones they were showing her.
also, they just completely were not listening to what she wanted--she''d ask to see an F or G RB for under $12k, and they would show her a 2.2 carat cushion for $14k. Bascially it seems like whatever stone they would get in, they would try to sell her, rather than actively seeking out what she wanted. meanwhile, my mom is telling me all of this and i''m getting madder and madder, because of course we all know the lengths that some vendors will go to to prevent you from buying online, and how mad they get when you show yourself to be an informed customer. Now, you might be asking why my mom kept trying to work with these guys--well, they had sold her original stone, so they have the money that she needs to put toward the next one. Finally, though, I got SO fed up, and suggested that my mom at least talk to the Pricescope vendor who had sold me my stone, whom I trust completely. She did, and he found her a bunch of stones, one of which she went to see and loves. she said she was just amazed by how much more beautiful it was than the others the EDM had shown her (i don''t think she had ever seen a well cut RB before).
So, today my mom went to see the EDM and told them that she is planning to buy from someone else, and asked if they would please give her a check for what they think is a fair resale value for her old stone. These two men literally teamed up on my mom and screamed at her, tellling her what a horrible person she was, and what a huge mistake she''s making, and then they refused to give her any money for the other diamond. They say they only agreed to sell her stone on the condition that she would buy something from them (which they never said), and THEN they accused her of trying to con them by lying and saying she would buy from them so they would sell her stone! Needless to say, that was not the case. Also keep in mind that these people are (or used to be) FRIENDS of my mom''s! Now, my mom knows how diamond resale works, so she''s not expecting to get the original value of her old ring back or anything, and she told them that. The value of the original ring (princess center and two sides) was about $8k or so, and I think she''d even be happy with $3k or $4k. But they refuse, and say the most they''ll do is give her a credit. (Like she ever wants to buy anything from them after they screamed at her like that!) OK so fine, that''s bad enough, she can deal with that . . . but then they demand to see the cert on the diamond the Pricescope vendor had shown her, and when she showed them, starting yelling that they can''t believe she went behind her back like that, and said it was an inferior stone, and started telling her that the vendor didn''t know what he was talking about and the stone is a piece of trash, basically.
So now, my poor mom is SO upset and confused. Even though she knows in her head that they''re wrong and just trying to con her into buying from them, the abusive behavior of the EDM has sort of gotten to her and is making her question her decision to buy online and the stone she has picked. I wanted to post here to vent, but also so that you guys can help me reinforce the point to her that she shouldn''t let these terrible people make her doubt herself, and that this is a fairly common tactic that some not-so-nice vendors will use to convince you to buy from them. Also, on a separate note, I think she would be very interested to hear what you all think about the stone she is considering buying. (Even if she decides not to go with this one, I told her she should definitely stick with the Pscope vendor she is working with to find her exactly what she wants. And I think she''s amenable to that, or at least she was before the EDM screamed at her for an hour this morning.) As I said I don''t know much about RBs, so it would be really nice if someone else who does know what they are talking about in this area could tell her honestly what they think.
Here are the specs of the stone:
GIA RB 1.61 carat
F/SI1 (she''s seen it and it is eyeclean, at least to her!)
7.66 x 7.70 x 4.60
59.9 d, 56 t
very thin to thin faceted girdle
no culet
ex pol, ex symm
faint flr
Honest opinions please? As I said I am no RB expert, but this looked very nice to me. I know she doesn''t have the angles but I''m sure she could get them from the vendor. The EDM, however, told her that this stone is inferior, it was terrible to have flourescence in an F color, and that the girdle was so thin that "our setting people wouldnt even touch the stone, because it will definitely chip". correct me if im wrong, but i wouldn''t think faint flr would be noticeable in an F, and the girdle isn''t extremely thin, just thin, so i wouldn''t think that should be a problem? (Also, she is planning to bezel set it.) Honest thoughts appreciated.
Just to give you an idea, this is the stone that the EDM told my mom she is "absolutely nuts" to have turned down:
EGL (Israel I think) 1.7 carat
H/SI1
7.53-7.48-4.76
63.4 depth, 57 table
M girdle
VG pol, VG symm
no culet, no flr
Anyway thanks so, so much to you all for listening to this LONG saga, but the whole thing just has me so mad, and my mom so upset that we don''t know what to do! I knew that you Pricescopers would be willing to come forward with your thoughts and advice. Thank you so much in advance, from both me and my mom!
Best,
Gina
This is my first post but I am a frequent lurker on your wonderful forum. Now, I need your help! I apologize in advance because this is LONG, but I''m so mad about this horrible situation and I need some advice!
My wonderful mom recently decided that she is in the market for a new e-ring. She approached the people from whom she bought her original stone (local acquiantences of hers) about the possibility of getting something new. While discussing this with them, they asked whether, while she was considering new stones, she wanted them to try to sell her old diamond for her. She said sure, and they did so.
Enter pricescope! About 6 months before my mom''s search started, my now-fiance and I started ring shopping. Thanks to this website, we gained a TON of diamond knowledge that we put to use in purchasing my own stone (which I bought from a Pricescope vendor). Well, as you Pricescopers know, once you get wind of all there is to know about diamonds, you can''t stand the thought of someone you love making an uninformed purchase! So per my advice, my mom started lurking here too, and learing as much as she could about diamonds.
Well, in the meantime, the people from whom she purchased her original stone (let''s just call them the Evil Diamond Men, or the EDM), started showing her diamonds that, in my opinion, were not thr best choices for her. Now, my own stone is not an RB so I don''t know THAT much about them, but they were showing her lots of RBs with depths in the 63-64% range, and many were SI2, H color and all with EGL Israel certs. Now, get this, when she started tossing around the info she''d learned from Pricescope and asking to actually see the certs, they FLIPPED. And I mean, flipped out on her. They told her that the numbers don''t matter at all, that she just needs to "look" at the stone and trust them. They said that she was making a huge mistake listening to people online, who don''t know what they''re talking about. They said they couldn''t believe she didn''t just "trust" them to pick stones for her. And they repeatedly ridiculed her just for asking to see the certs on the stones they were showing her! They literally would sigh and say "oh, here we go again."
Every time she rejected a stone from them that wasn''t up to par (one was a 5-something on the HCA, for ex, although they say they have never heard of the HCA!) they got exasperated and angry and told her she was being "unreasonable" and impossible to please, and that she was making a huge mistake rejecting these supposedly fabulous stones they were showing her.
So, today my mom went to see the EDM and told them that she is planning to buy from someone else, and asked if they would please give her a check for what they think is a fair resale value for her old stone. These two men literally teamed up on my mom and screamed at her, tellling her what a horrible person she was, and what a huge mistake she''s making, and then they refused to give her any money for the other diamond. They say they only agreed to sell her stone on the condition that she would buy something from them (which they never said), and THEN they accused her of trying to con them by lying and saying she would buy from them so they would sell her stone! Needless to say, that was not the case. Also keep in mind that these people are (or used to be) FRIENDS of my mom''s! Now, my mom knows how diamond resale works, so she''s not expecting to get the original value of her old ring back or anything, and she told them that. The value of the original ring (princess center and two sides) was about $8k or so, and I think she''d even be happy with $3k or $4k. But they refuse, and say the most they''ll do is give her a credit. (Like she ever wants to buy anything from them after they screamed at her like that!) OK so fine, that''s bad enough, she can deal with that . . . but then they demand to see the cert on the diamond the Pricescope vendor had shown her, and when she showed them, starting yelling that they can''t believe she went behind her back like that, and said it was an inferior stone, and started telling her that the vendor didn''t know what he was talking about and the stone is a piece of trash, basically.
So now, my poor mom is SO upset and confused. Even though she knows in her head that they''re wrong and just trying to con her into buying from them, the abusive behavior of the EDM has sort of gotten to her and is making her question her decision to buy online and the stone she has picked. I wanted to post here to vent, but also so that you guys can help me reinforce the point to her that she shouldn''t let these terrible people make her doubt herself, and that this is a fairly common tactic that some not-so-nice vendors will use to convince you to buy from them. Also, on a separate note, I think she would be very interested to hear what you all think about the stone she is considering buying. (Even if she decides not to go with this one, I told her she should definitely stick with the Pscope vendor she is working with to find her exactly what she wants. And I think she''s amenable to that, or at least she was before the EDM screamed at her for an hour this morning.) As I said I don''t know much about RBs, so it would be really nice if someone else who does know what they are talking about in this area could tell her honestly what they think.
Here are the specs of the stone:
GIA RB 1.61 carat
F/SI1 (she''s seen it and it is eyeclean, at least to her!)
7.66 x 7.70 x 4.60
59.9 d, 56 t
very thin to thin faceted girdle
no culet
ex pol, ex symm
faint flr
Honest opinions please? As I said I am no RB expert, but this looked very nice to me. I know she doesn''t have the angles but I''m sure she could get them from the vendor. The EDM, however, told her that this stone is inferior, it was terrible to have flourescence in an F color, and that the girdle was so thin that "our setting people wouldnt even touch the stone, because it will definitely chip". correct me if im wrong, but i wouldn''t think faint flr would be noticeable in an F, and the girdle isn''t extremely thin, just thin, so i wouldn''t think that should be a problem? (Also, she is planning to bezel set it.) Honest thoughts appreciated.
Just to give you an idea, this is the stone that the EDM told my mom she is "absolutely nuts" to have turned down:
EGL (Israel I think) 1.7 carat
H/SI1
7.53-7.48-4.76
63.4 depth, 57 table
M girdle
VG pol, VG symm
no culet, no flr
Anyway thanks so, so much to you all for listening to this LONG saga, but the whole thing just has me so mad, and my mom so upset that we don''t know what to do! I knew that you Pricescopers would be willing to come forward with your thoughts and advice. Thank you so much in advance, from both me and my mom!
Best,
Gina
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