First diamond purchase for an engagement ring

[tyty333]

I think a 179 post for a .4-.5 stone is an all-time record (in not a good way). I think you have burnt out the helpful PSers. They
probably left the room for a breath of fresh air! Hopefully, they'll be back but you really need to keep that in mind
@Vladovici . Good luck...I hope you find your perfect stone!

 

[Vladovici]

I don't understand the lighting set up on this one. Can't give an informed opinion.
Are you looking at purchasing this one or is this your insatiable diamond curiosity at play?

what bout both?

I think a 179 post for a .4-.5 stone is an all-time record (in not a good way). I think you have burnt out the helpful PSers. They
probably left the room for a breath of fresh air! Hopefully, they'll be back but you really need to keep that in mind
@Vladovici . Good luck...I hope you find your perfect stone!

#182 now. we've also chit-chatted
theres also the other thread opened by the italian friend, #107 posts so far
this may just be the new standard

guess is a good sign that people want to make an informed decision and find out more, regardless of the size / value

 

[purplesilk]

what bout both?


#182 now. we've also chit-chatted
theres also the other thread opened by the italian friend, #107 posts so far
this may just be the new standard

guess is a good sign that people want to make an informed decision and find out more, regardless of the size / value

I don't want to be rude, but since English is not your mother tongue (as it is not mine), I think you didn't get what PSers are telling you: they're fed up with this thread.
1) If it is about knowledge, there are hundreds informative threads on Pricescope: take your time to read and learn.
2) If it is about purchasing, no one is forcing you to buy the recommended diamonds, but asking the same question over and over again, won't change the answers: you've been given some beautiful options within your budget and within shipping restrictions/rules to Romania, so it's time to make a choice on your own.
3) Just remember that PSers are helping you for free: both evaluating diamonds and posting take a lot of time, so be respectful both of others' time and opinion.
4) About the video: premise is that diamonds are not light sources, they're cut to reflect light; so, despite the horrid LED lighting, in my opinion the diamond looks nice.
Again I didn't want to be rude, I'm just an European helping another European.
Best to you,
 purplesilk

 

[Dreamer_D]

I like the VS1 that love dogs found better. Cut is just a little tighter.

 

[tyty333]

what bout both?


#182 now. we've also chit-chatted
theres also the other thread opened by the italian friend, #107 posts so far
this may just be the new standard

guess is a good sign that people want to make an informed decision and find out more, regardless of the size / value

I think you get my point @Vladovici . Many Pricescopers have told you along the way that you need to pick a stone or, you
are getting bogged down by analysis paralysis but I don't think you picked up on the fact that PSers are getting worn out.

BTW...chit-chat is ok in my book but there has been very little on this thread. And, I agree that every stone (no matter
size/price) deserves a good scrutiny (within reason.)

Again, wishing you good luck in finding a stone soon!

 

[lovedogs]

The video of the new one isn't helpful at all and I can't tell anything

 

[Vladovici]

I'll answer to everyone.

I don't want to be rude, but since English is not your mother tongue (as it is not mine), I think you didn't get what PSers are telling you: they're fed up with this thread.
1) If it is about knowledge, there are hundreds informative threads on Pricescope: take your time to read and learn.
2) If it is about purchasing, no one is forcing you to buy the recommended diamonds, but asking the same question over and over again, won't change the answers: you've been given some beautiful options within your budget and within shipping restrictions/rules to Romania, so it's time to make a choice on your own.
3) Just remember that PSers are helping you for free: both evaluating diamonds and posting take a lot of time, so be respectful both of others' time and opinion.
4) About the video: premise is that diamonds are not light sources, they're cut to reflect light; so, despite the horrid LED lighting, in my opinion the diamond looks nice.
Again I didn't want to be rude, I'm just an European helping another European.
Best to you,
 purplesilk

Should I open a new thread then? ))
jokes aside,
1) I have read a lot of them, years old thread, posts by r. Garry, Karl_K, Rhino, etc. all very informative, trying to make sense of everything.
Thanks for your opinion on video.

I like the VS1 that love dogs found better. Cut is just a little tighter.

The video shared by Drive is actually the one that lovedogs found, the VS1 (not the VVS1). link below.

0.46 Carat F-VS1 Excellent Cut Round Diamond

This 0.46 carat round diamond F color vs1 clarity has Excellent proportions and a diamond grading report from GIA

www.bluenile.com

I think you get my point @Vladovici . Many Pricescopers have told you along the way that you need to pick a stone or, you
are getting bogged down by analysis paralysis but I don't think you picked up on the fact that PSers are getting worn out.

BTW...chit-chat is ok in my book but there has been very little on this thread. And, I agree that every stone (no matter
size/price) deserves a good scrutiny (within reason.)

Again, wishing you good luck in finding a stone soon!

thanks once again for your opinion.
Being overthinking about numbers may be a professional defect for me and combined with my OCD...it's no surprise for me that so i've got "stuck" over analyzing everything

The video of the new one isn't helpful at all and I can't tell anything

thanks! there s no possibility to get a better one sadly. was sort of disappointed as well.

 

[Vladovici]

I don't want to be rude, but since English is not your mother tongue (as it is not mine), I think you didn't get what PSers are telling you: they're fed up with this thread.

3) Just remember that PSers are helping you for free: both evaluating diamonds and posting take a lot of time, so be respectful both of others' time and opinion.

Again I didn't want to be rude, I'm just an European helping another European.
Best to you,
 purplesilk

about your 3rd point, I think I have been very polite to everyone, have not been rude or sarcastic in any way towards everybody's opinions and have expressed my gratitude for the time they took to read and reply.

once again, thank you!

 

[purplesilk]

Being overthinking about numbers may be a professional defect for me and combined with my OCD...it's no surprise for me that so i've got "stuck" over analyzing everything

I get your frustration.
The tight proposal schedule, shipping restrictions, VAT, the impossibility of inspecting with your own eyes before buying, but also the desire of giving your gf a beautiful engagement ring...
You have two options:
1) postpone the diamond purchasing, till you get what you really love; for the proposal you can get a plain band or a thin diamond band which can be later used as a wedding band or worn on the right hand;
2) pick the best diamond you can afford now (0.46 F VS1 founded by @lovedogs):
-if you like the diamond, happy ending;
-if the stone isn't meeting you expectations, you can give it back and start a new research.

I really really sympathize with you, but I think to need to relax: it's not world first problem and it can be solved without huge money loss.
Wishing you the best,
purplesilk

 

[purplesilk]

about your 3rd point, I think I have been very polite to everyone, have not been rude or sarcastic in any way towards everybody's opinions and have expressed my gratitude for the time they took to read and reply.

once again, thank you!

I didn't say you were rude!
I really appreciate the effort and time you put on replying to every single post.
In my opinion you didn't get the toughness of some last answers: as not English mother tongue, I think you translated literally but you lost the tone.
Just my opinion.

 

[lovedogs]

I'll answer to everyone.


Should I open a new thread then? ))
jokes aside,
1) I have read a lot of them, years old thread, posts by r. Garry, Karl_K, Rhino, etc. all very informative, trying to make sense of everything.
Thanks for your opinion on video.


The video shared by Drive is actually the one that lovedogs found, the VS1 (not the VVS1). link below.

0.46 Carat F-VS1 Excellent Cut Round Diamond

This 0.46 carat round diamond F color vs1 clarity has Excellent proportions and a diamond grading report from GIA

www.bluenile.com

thanks once again for your opinion.
Being overthinking about numbers may be a professional defect for me and combined with my OCD...it's no surprise for me that so i've got "stuck" over analyzing everything



thanks! there s no possibility to get a better one sadly. was sort of disappointed as well.

I'm so confused. The Google Drive video that's hard to see stuff is the .46 I recommended? Or a new stone?

 

[0515vision]

I'm so confused. The Google Drive video that's hard to see stuff is the .46 I recommended? Or a new stone?

I, too, am confused.
In general, it’s better to provide us with all the relevant information before you ask us to opine.

 

[Vladovici]

I'm so confused. The Google Drive video that's hard to see stuff is the .46 I recommended? Or a new stone?

Yes, the google drive video is the one you have recommended, the f/vs1.

 

[Vladovici]

Hey,

i've received the diamond.
2 Google drive links to videos of it. Unfortunately, my camera is quite poor and therefore I can not get good pictures or videos of it.
Ive tried to capture the fire of it.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HH7HBoK50U-ahT3Ox_JxuZ45mVT-sORz/view?usp=drive_link

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1v90f9cLxFq_0pWgOAMsCN08tSZ-LwCyl/view?usp=drive_link

What do you think, how does it do?

Any tips for taking good pics of the H&A?
Its this one:

https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=6234202536&locale=en_US

Diamond Video

 

[MissGotRocks]

Hey,

i've received the diamond.
2 Google drive links to videos of it. Unfortunately, my camera is quite poor and therefore I can not get good pictures or videos of it.
Ive tried to capture the fire of it.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HH7HBoK50U-ahT3Ox_JxuZ45mVT-sORz/view?usp=drive_link

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1v90f9cLxFq_0pWgOAMsCN08tSZ-LwCyl/view?usp=drive_link

What do you think, how does it do?

Any tips for taking good pics of the H&A?
Its this one:

https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=6234202536&locale=en_US

Diamond Video

Unfortunately, I cannot access the videos. How do you think it looks?

 

[Vladovici]

Can you access these links? Uploaded on a different platform.

Watch V1 | Streamable

Watch "V1" on Streamable.

streamable.com

Watch V2 | Streamable

Watch "V2" on Streamable.

streamable.com

It is very bright, having quite much fire when I use strong lightning (from a lighter or phone flash)
I also want to take it to a place where I can get better lightning, like a jewelry shops with many lightning spots.

However, without the use of the flash function on my phone I can not see any fire in normal room lightning. Is this normal?

Ive bought both a 10x and 20x loupe but even so...I can not see the defects. Whilst they are being heavily reflected on the video from 77diamonds and that video may be deceiving I would have believed I will be able to spot them with a loupe.
I guess this is a good thing but, as previously said here, I can notice that it is G color.
Next time I may go for D-E but a SI1, this would be a comfortable range for me.

 

[mayaINaU]

Can you access these links? Uploaded on a different platform.

Watch V1 | Streamable

Watch "V1" on Streamable.

streamable.com

Watch V2 | Streamable

Watch "V2" on Streamable.

streamable.com

It is very bright, having quite much fire when I use strong lightning (from a lighter or phone flash)
I also want to take it to a place where I can get better lightning, like a jewelry shops with many lightning spots.

However, without the use of the flash function on my phone I can not see any fire in normal room lightning. Is this normal?

Ive bought both a 10x and 20x loupe but even so...I can not see the defects. Whilst they are being heavily reflected on the video from 77diamonds and that video may be deceiving I would have believed I will be able to spot them with a loupe.
I guess this is a good thing but, as previously said here, I can notice that it is G color.
Next time I may go for D-E but a SI1, this would be a comfortable range for me.

I have noticed that my diamonds have the most fire under grocery store/florescent lights and in elevators. Diamonds also seem to look really good in the car for some reason. I don’t usually see a lot of fire under normal home lightbulbs.

 

[Vladovici]

Thx for reply.

Well, under normal home lightbulbs I see no fire at all which has initially got me worried.
What do you think of these videos?

 

[Dreamer_D]

Can’t tell much of anything in the videos.

It’s normal not to be able to find inclusions on your own if you aren’t an expert. I can’t even find inclusions in my SI2 with my loupe!

Fire is only apparent with high spot lighting. Like the type in large grocery stores. Or the bright sun. Otherwise it’s twinkle.

 

[0515vision]

Are you returning this one? Weren’t you hoping to propose soon? SI1 have to be chosen with care, but they can be a great value. My solitaire is SI1, and it’s completely eye clean.

The light source has a large effect on whether you see brilliance or fire. Diffuse lighting does not produce fire, although your stone will likely look nice and bright. Here’s the info directly from the Whiteflash site.

“The Role Of The Light Source

Our ability to observe fire also requires the proper lighting conditions. Like the aftermath of a rain shower that does not produce a rainbow, a well cut diamond in certain types of lighting environments will not produce fire.

Singular, direct light sources of small angular size are more likely to produce fire than large diffuse sources. Outdoors, in direct sunlight, a diamond can exhibit excellent fire. However, if there is cloud cover, the light will be diffused. While this might be an optimal lighting environment for observing a diamond's brightness and contrast patterns, fire will be almost completely suppressed.

Indoor lighting with a number of individual lights of small angular size can produce a “fire friendly” environment to optimize our ability to observe fire. You may find this type of lighting in restaurants, stores, and even in elevators! By contrast, typical office lighting with long fluorescent tubes covered by plastic diffusers creates a lighting environment that suppresses fire. Fortunately, LED lighting is becoming ever more common and often features multiple small sources which are good for the observation of fire. The videos on this page were created in a controlled lighting environment with multiple LED light sources.” - Whiteflash webpage

 

[0515vision]

@Karl_K, maybe you can help here.
Why is focussed lighting better for fire? Why does diffuse lighting not lead to fire but instead brilliance?

My understanding is that fire is a result of the different speeds of refraction in the light spectrum causing a separation of white light into the seven colors. Brilliance, however, is white light returning back to the eye.

In diffuse lighting does the overall prevalence of light just keep mixing with itself to give our eye the white color?

Thanks in advance!

 

[MissGotRocks]

The diamond performs according to the light source it is viewed in. You will not see fire in all lighting environments. Think of it as a mirror reflecting back light or colors from its environment enhanced from a lighting source. It will look different in sunlight, in your living room and the big box grocery/hardware stores to name a few. It is a diamond - not a magic ball! There is nothing wrong with your diamond and it is normal to not be able to see the inclusions. I think your perception of a diamond has been sort of flawed from the beginning. Now you have a beautiful one to start really learning about with reasonable expectations. I hope the proposal goes well and I am sure she will love it! That will help out your mind at ease too.

 

[Vladovici]

Ive tried so much to take some photos of the diamond that show the arrows pattern but I am just not good at taking photos, hence why I have not chosen a phone with a good camera as I am rarely using it.

however, as it can be seen in these images, on the edges, there seem to be many many points (2nd and 3rd photo).

are those dirt or pinpoints?
Ive tried to clean it really well on all edges but it seems to look the same.

In the 360 video I can see 3 defects:
the pin points from 1st photo
a black point
a feather

the black point I could actually spot, the feather I can not.
Those pinpoints - cant make sense of what I am seeing.
In the 360 video can be seen a few points but only one a facet, not all over the diamond (first photo)
I wish I went for a D or E, I dont like the color.

I am unsure at this point of what to do next. Ive missed the chance to propose at the time I wanted, no rush anymore now. I can return it and try another one but I dont want to go again through the process of finding a new one.

 

[freddyboston]

You might have Transparency issues....Looks Hazy - does it have Graining listed on the report

 

[Vladovici]

Hey, no.
Just Feather and Crystal

https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=6234202536&locale=en_US

360 video from the seller below

Diamond Video

 

[0515vision]

I think they might be water marks. How are you drying it after cleaning? Are you holding the stone as you clean it? It will pick up oil from your fingers.

I doubt you’ll be able to find the feather.

 

[Vladovici]

Have not been using water to clean it but the leather cloth that came with the diamond, "polishing" the diamond with that cloth all over on each facet.

I ll give a try with water and some dish soap maybe? What do you use to wash yours?

How could i further evaluate the stone for the transparency issues?

 

[MissGotRocks]

If you don’t like the diamond, by all means return it. I will say though that face up you will not be able to tell that much of a difference in color. What is it about the color that you don’t care for?
Use Dawn dishwashing liquid with warm water. You can use a soft toothbrush to clean the underneath. Rinse very well in warm water and dry with a paper towel. The spots look like dust or water spots. If they are not plotted on the diagram, then they are superficial and not part of the diamond.
If the selecting and buying of this diamond causes you this much aggravation, maybe you and your wife to be would be happier with plain bands or a five stone diamond band. You have over analyzed every part of the process and I honestly wouldn’t know what direction to suggest next to you in terms of starting over.

 

[Dreamer_D]

I think you are over analyzing again.

 

[Dreamer_D]

Have not been using water to clean it but the leather cloth that came with the diamond, "polishing" the diamond with that cloth all over on each facet.

I ll give a try with water and some dish soap maybe? What do you use to wash yours?

How could i further evaluate the stone for the transparency issues?

What are you hoping to accomplish with all this? Diamonds pick up dust and water dries and leaves a film. The diamond matches the report, a G color is very very white. It is very well cut. It looks yellow in your pictures but that look like reflection of the environment to me. Beige walls will make a colorless diamond look like this.

My advice is to set this diamond and propose and move on.