airline dress codes?

[strmrdr]

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070905/news_1m5braun.html

 

[musey]

Oh, good GRIEF!

Unbelievable. That poor girl. She wasn''t even showing cleavage!

 

[Tacori E-ring]

I just heard about this! Kind of funny though she went on the "Today Show" (in the same outfit) and flashed the camera when she sat back down

Might hurt any future lawsuit.

 

[Mandarine]

I''m kind of torned on this one.,...and I know I may be in the minority.

I saw her on the Today show this morning and boy...that skirt was short-short-short!.

I don''t agree with the way it was handled though...but come on, she should cover herself up a little bit!!!. I had a girl once sitting next to us in the plane...wearing almost nothing, using WAY too much perfume, etc...it was annoying!. I know you have to respect everyone, but I just wish some people had a little common sense. In a plane you''re just in small quarters. I guess the perfume thing is what bothered me the most though...it just gave me a headache!

I did feel for this girl when I saw her in the Today show....everyone in the plane heard the crew telling her how she had to get off the plane, etc....it had to be humiliating

M~

 

[swingirl]

I can''t believe it! According to Southwest both my daughter and I dress inappropriately whenever we wear shorts and tank tops on flights to Hawaii. I guess bare legs are banned?

 

[MichelleCarmen]

Date: 9/7/2007 2:46:55 PM
Author: swingirl
I can't believe it! According to Southwest both my daughter and I dress inappropriately whenever we wear shorts and tank tops on flights to Hawaii. I guess bare legs are banned?

Oprah did a show a long time ago on what to wear and not to wear while flying and there were reasons to back those thoughts, like wearing flip flops could be a danger if there is an emergency landing and you had to run quickly out of the plane. Also, wearing cotton is better than synthetics b/c if the plane heats up to hotter temperatures, cotton will not catch on fire as easily as rayon & polyester.

We recently flew and after reading about the Chinese flight were everyone ran for their lives as it exploded, I made sure to wear athletic shoes and put jeans on my kids. It was appauling at how many women had heels on during the flight!

 

[Mandarine]

Date: 9/7/2007 2:51:03 PM
Author: MC

Date: 9/7/2007 2:46:55 PM
Author: swingirl
I can't believe it! According to Southwest both my daughter and I dress inappropriately whenever we wear shorts and tank tops on flights to Hawaii. I guess bare legs are banned?

Oprah did a show a long time ago on what to wear and not to wear while flying and there were reasons to back those thoughts, like wearing flip flops could be a danger if there is an emergency landing and you had to run quickly out of the plane. Also, wearing cotton is better than synthetics b/c if the plane heats up to hotter temperatures, cotton will not catch on fire as easily as rayon & polyester.

We recently flew and after reading about the Chinese flight were everyone ran for their lives as it exploded, I made sure to wear athletic shoes and put jeans on my kids. It was appauling at how many women had heels on during the flight!

Plus it is always freezing on the flights. I usually try to look nice and be comfortable!.

I think it is ok for airlines to have some standards (some for safety and some just for respect to other people). Wearing shorts or a tank top shouldn't be part of that list though. I was thinking more like the "No shirt, no service" kind of restriction...lol

M~

 

[chiefneil]

I''d have no problem sitting next to her for a couple hours on a cramped airplane.

 

[Tacori E-ring]

Date: 9/7/2007 2:46:55 PM
Author: swingirl
I can''t believe it! According to Southwest both my daughter and I dress inappropriately whenever we wear shorts and tank tops on flights to Hawaii. I guess bare legs are banned?

Shorts keep your privates, well private. I think that b/c it was so short and a *skirt* that was the issue. Like I said she flashed the camera (ala Brittany Spears) by accident. I am not saying the airline had the right but that''s the issue.

 

[KimberlyH]

If there were some consistency to their policies, which it appears there was not, this wouldn''t bother me in the slightest. Private businesses can and should have the right to refuse service (think about all of the signs "No shoes, no shirt, no service" etc.). If patrons are bothered by said policies they can opt to take their business elsewhere.

 

[Kay]

Wow! I live in San Diego, and her outfit would not stand out here. It is interesting that the airline complained about the entire outfit, not just the skirt. The top half of her outfit looked fairly conservative. The top does show she''s well endowed, but nothing is hanging out. I bet no one would comment if a woman with a smaller chest wore a similar fitting tank top and sweater. I did not see the Today show, but can tell from the picture that she might have issues if she did not sit carefully and keep her legs crossed or together. Still, I can''t believe what a big deal the airline made out of it. It would have made more sense for a female employee to discretely point out the issue and ask her if she would put a blanket across her lap.

 

[iheartscience]

Wow, that''s ridiculous. Yes, the skirt is short, but who cares? This is America, for Christ''s sake. Women don''t have to keep themselves covered from head to toe. I personally don''t like to wear skirts that short, but if someone else wants to, more power to them. She looks like pretty much any other high school or college girl on a warm day.

 

[KimberlyH]

Date: 9/7/2007 9:43:59 PM
Author: thing2of2
Wow, that's ridiculous. Yes, the skirt is short, but who cares? This is America, for Christ's sake. Women don't have to keep themselves covered from head to toe. I personally don't like to wear skirts that short, but if someone else wants to, more power to them. She looks like pretty much any other high school or college girl on a warm day.

And as an American company don't you believe that Southwest, as a private business, has the same right to choose? Anyone who believes Southwest was out of line can use power of the almighty dollar to make their point, don't use their airline don't buy stock in their company. But their right to refuse service is just as valid as hers to wear those clothes (which, for the record, doesn't offend me in the slightest but as San Diegan and someone who flys fairly often I also don't view as typical airport garb).

 

[Kaleigh]

I've seen worse. To me it's a slippery slope. If an Airline has an internal dress code, well that should be made public as in putting it on the ticket as a disclaimer??

I have been on flights where kids are flying to spring break. Half way through the flight they go to the bathroom to change outfits. Now some of those are way worse than what this girl had on. So what do you do about someone who boards a plane, dresses appropriately and then changes into something that is seen as provacative??
Plus I have a 19 year old daughter, so see it from both sides. No she wouldn't wear a skirt that short, maybe a 1/4 an inch longer.

I'd like it to be an inch longer!!!

 

[door knob solitaire]

You know how a doctors office exam room is greeting you with a clean sheet of paper? Well, as thin as that paper is...I kinda like it. I can see it is fresh and no butt indention is there...I realize that mm thickness of paper isn''t going to protect me from the plague that may be lurking underneath...but it is an indication of cleanliness.

Not sure how to tie the two together for you ...but in my mind it is similar. Traveling I am sitting were someone else just sat. My personal preference is believing they were clothed...fully...and there was a layer of cloth that separated sweaty, flaky, sticky skin from the surface I am now occupying. Secondly, sitting beside me I prefer to have a clothed stranger arm there. If we are going to bump in the time frame of travel, I prefer it to be fabric against fabric.

I know the men would prefer Jessica Albas skin in the seat next to them, and women would not mind if Brad Pitt were shirtless next to them. But in my travels...the guy sitting next to me is usually a hairy John Candy type and frankly I am glad he is clothed.

I am not part of the majority here. (Oh boy here I go again!!) I feel there should be a dress code...a dress code of decency. Just two inches of fabric...less then the width of your seat belt...could have made all the difference. The difference in style and sleaze. Moral judgment...you bet I am. Guilty!! Fellas, do you care to inform the ladies here what your moral judgement was when you saw that skirt? What??? The admin won''t allow you to? Right. It would be immoral to write your thoughts.
One more reminder, Girls that age don''t wear full coverage undergarments. They wear thongs. She flashed moonshine

to someone...when she sat down. I am willing to bet some bucks on that one!! Matt Lauer failed to inquire about.

That skirt/thong combo failed my mm paper test!!!

DKS

 

[Mara]

Date: 9/7/2007 9:43:59 PM
Author: thing2of2
Wow, that's ridiculous. Yes, the skirt is short, but who cares? This is America, for Christ's sake. Women don't have to keep themselves covered from head to toe. I personally don't like to wear skirts that short, but if someone else wants to, more power to them. She looks like pretty much any other high school or college girl on a warm day.

I totally agree. There is nothing so inappopriate about that outfit for a 23 year old girl. I guess those Southwest employees have never been to A&F where all the skirts are that short and tons of teenage girls all around America buy them. At least she was wearing underwear (even if it was a thong), not like some public celebrities we all hear about all the time...who wander all over and sit down...and probably would never be asked to leave a plane, go home and change and take a later flight (oh that part made me mad).

and who cares if she accidentally flashes someone when she sits down? That could happen to anyone with a skirt on if they don't know how to sit properly. As long as she isn't trying to pole dance on the plane, I can't believe she was called out of her seat, taken off the plane and admonished by a man. That is just ridiculous...and how embarassing for her. Good for her for fighting back. The fact that they let her back on the plane just underscores that they knew they couldn't really enforce it without a serious fight.

Southwest does have the right to refuse service just like any business can but wow....what a bad decision on their part. Now it's all over the press and seriously other than the short skirt, the rest of the outfit is pretty much the 'norm' for what she is..which is a well endowed young lady with a smokin body. It probably was some jealous stewardess who wanted her off the plane and got Keith (aka pushover) to ask her to get off.

Southwest is a drag to fly on a good day...this makes me like them even less!!

 

[monarch64]

I've never flown Southwest but I do have a ticket with them I have to book by October 15th, guess I will remember to be modest while traveling, lol!

Honestly, when I was her age (oh god, I'm only 30 now but this makes me feel kind of old!) I wore skirts and shorts that short and had those fabulous legs! I do agree with DKS that it's somewhat of a hygiene issue to some...I remember wearing those short little things and your bottom is making direct contact with a seat if you don't wear fuller coverage undies, that's for sure. (Boo! to leather interiors on a hot day, ha!) Anyway, I really can't see anything WRONG or totally inappropriate with her outfit except for maybe some a$$ coverage and other customers maybe not wanting to be flashed if that actually happened. Who knows...

ETA: oh, and hello, anyone remember Ally McBeal's super short suit skirts? God forbid she ever got on a Southwest flight, or Heather Locklear with her Melrose Place super short skirts...etc. Stock market's down....hemlines are lower, as usual...

 

[strmrdr]

my opinion:
The skirt is way too little and I don''t get people dressing like that.
However the over reaction of the airline staff is not right either.

 

[Selkie]

Double standard, much? Check out what Southwest Airlines stewardesses used to wear.

 

[Selkie]

Shocking.

 

[Mara]

lol Selkie, Greg told me last nite that Southwest used to be called the ''Love Airline''...and he mentioned they had ''risque'' outfits as well. definitely a double standard.

 

[swingirl]

Definitely a double standard! Those short little orange outfits were certainly picked by Southwest to cater to the male clientele of the 60''s.

And if there is a dress code it should be spelled out before one purchases their ticket so they can make the choice. I''ve seen male butt cracks on the plane as men bend down to reach something on the floor and I wonder how many of them have been publicly reprimanded or told to change clothes.

 

[door knob solitaire]

Not sure if it is actually a double standard...or if it should be chalked up to the old adage...times have changed.

I was a cheerleader and one uniform we wore those same shorts/boots as SW "stewardess" have on. The difference is the times.... my squad did routines and every move imaginable in a dance studio infront of a mirror to make sure there was no peep

show. The legs of the shorts were altered depending on each girls thigh widths. Southwest did the same thing.

Furthermore...Those skirts you see were worn by the flight attendants, were worn with what is called a "bloomer" underneath - just as other uniforms I wore. The bloomer was made out of the the same fabric as the skirt. It had elastic thigh holes that fit the thigh low...not hiked up to the wazoo. Decency meant you don''t show PRIVATE PARTS. Yeah leg sells, duh...is that a news flash for all? Look at the Cowboy cheerleaders...short short...but no "NE NE or wazoo" showing.

The girl in question was wearing a skirt that she ripped to shreds to make as small as possible to still be called a skirt. For goodness sakes... She was 1/2 an inch away from wearing a belt!! Underneath was only her flesh with a string that was hidden (as it was flossing) from the behind peek, and a triangular piece of fabric on the front probably no bigger than a cotton square. A tad different from custom built full coverage bloomers!!! Before she sat down, she more than likely reached up or bent over and HELLO!!

Come on...What happened to our society when we decided private parts are OK to be displayed with such abandonment? Is there value in virtue any longer? "WHO CARES IF SHE FLASHED SOMEONE???" are you kidding?

Would any of you supporters reveal where you would draw the line? How much further would she have to go for you to say...TACKY - VULGAR?

DKS

 

[Tacori E-ring]

I agree with dks. I don't think it is fair to bring up the uniforms they used 40 + years ago. How is it a double standard??? Times do change. I am not saying the staff handled it well but I do think people should be more aware of how they look. Not everyone is okay with seeing how she shaves

if ya know what I mean. Hooters used to have an airline (my FIL used to take it to mytrle beach b/c it was the only direct flight) but obviously the customers knew in advance how the girls would be dressed (same uniform that was in their restaurants). People could make that decision if it made them uncomfortable or not.

 

[zhuzhu]

Imagine that 23 yo girls just had unprotected sex before getting dressed in a hurry and got on the plane, with no shower. How would you feel about being the person sitting on her seat after she left? I think the short skirt itself has hygiene implication, not simply just about being conservative in appeal or not.

 

[DIAMOND DAN]

(((Sigh))) I would have protected her

Didn''t the late Frank Zappa have a song about the Grand Wazoo?
We could have made beautiful music together (((Sigh)))
Ima leg man !!! Perverts Anonymous have failed me.
Good point about the hygiene factor though.... from now on when I am flying I will bring protection.

DK

 

[door knob solitaire]

Great point ZhuZhu...

icky to think about...but true. You touched on my main thought about what was under that strip of material...and then what was seen to make the complaint.

DKS

PS...is your name ZhuZHu as in "Zuzu''s petals?"

 

[MichelleCarmen]

Date: 9/8/2007 10:22:50 AM
Author: Selkie
Double standard, much? Check out what Southwest Airlines stewardesses used to wear.

Those boots are so cute! I wish my legs were long enough to pull off tall ones like those.

 

[DIAMOND DAN]

These girls are the lucky escapees from the Starship Enterprise. They dematerialised to the planet Earth just for this last farewell shot before Spock made inappropriate logical advances that bored them all to death.
I quite like the corny white belts with the Swiss cheese holes though.
What would be interesting is where are these long legged beauties today?
I''d bet they have some great stories to tell.
Now stop picking on the blonde bimbo from the original thread.
Maybe she might be too impoverished to purchase correct clothing.
Can''t you see how innocent she is? Poor girl needs a diamond ring on her finger.
With legs and a Grand Wazoo like that you''d think she would have already been "snatched" up.

Hubba Hubba
DK

 

[Mara]

DKS no i am obviously NOT kidding when i say who cares if she flashes someone, otherwise i wouldn't have said it. honestly, when i hear the arguments about how horrible it is for her to flash someone, i think why is someone looking? don't want to be flashed, don't look. simple. and i have to say that when i was younger and wearing dresses, def not as short as that, but still mini skirt short, i didn't know how to properly enter and exit a car and flashed more than one person on more than one occasion. if it's accidental then what is the REAL harm? someone saw something they didn't want to see? oooh horrible. tar and feather her. i see lots of stuff i don't want to see on the streets all the time. people never dress appropriately for their age, body shape, whatever. i don't see them escorted off public streets unless they are NAKED.

personally it's not about whether or not i feel her dress is something i'd do or want my child to do or if i'd want to sit on the same seat as her. the bottom line is that stuff like that skirt is sold ALL OVER and TO MANY TEENAGERS in many MAINSTREAM stores. so it's not as though this is an unusual piece of clothing. and above and beyond the skirt, the rest of her outfit was fine. but yet the employee said her whole outfit was unacceptable. what *I* personally feel is unacceptable is for her to be called out of the plane like a naughty child and reprimanded and told to change by a male employee. if that was my daughter, i'd be livid.