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RTols88

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I had this conversation with a seller I had contacted about buying a ruby.

Me Are all of your rubies fissure filled?

Seller-90% of all rubies on the market today are fissure filled..most of my rubies are fissure filled however mine are not lead glass filled ,mine are treated with high grade non lead bearing optical glass.Additionally fissure filled rubies i carry have a content no more than 1.8% which is really low.Essentially the glass heals natural imperfections in the stone and using the high grade optical glass it also improves light refraction within the ruby giving it a significant increase in depth of color and the "glow" associated with high grade rubies..These are not glass rubies or fake they are just heated with an optical grade glass powder around the rough to heal imperfections then they are cooled and faceted...the market price for these rubies are HIGH and in my opinion and that of several other gemologists,we feel that the treatment does nothing to lower the value of the gem,we find the value is increased due to the beauty and durability of these gems.

Me Thanks for the info I''ve been taught to be leery of treatment just on principal. So I thought that fissure filling was really bad.

Seller- There are people who ride one side of the fence or the other on the subject of gemstone treatments. I myself ,surprisingly am a purist, which means I prefer untreated gemstones,however buying rubies I found that it was next to impossible to find one of any quality that was not fissure filled.I also found that everywhere i looked even on ebay the rubies were all fissure filled...if you want a good ruby you just cant get an untreated one of decent quality unless it is fissure filled..if you actually find one it will be RARE and it will also be prohibitively expensive..i learned to adapt and i found a guy to use only pure high grade optical glass to heat and facet mine..usually I test the content of each ruby and if it goes over 1.8% content of glass I toss it in the fish tank.

thoughts? this newbie needs advice
 

RTols88

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yes that i am aware of i''m more wondering what you have to say about the rest of what he said.
 

Edward Bristol

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I have never seen a fracture filled ruby that was really expensive (nor very pretty).

They are offered at $100-200/ct in Bangkok wholesale and you can get 10 carat rocks easy.

But I am not really a specialist on treated rubies. Professionally, to me, that is all evil
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so I leave the 1.8% to others.
 

morecarats

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The glass used in optical instruments is silica glass, with a refractive index of 1.40 to 1.55.

Lead-glass is used in the fracture filling of ruby because it has a much higher refractive index, about 1.70, very close to the refractive index of ruby (1.762-1.770).

One would really have to say that the original poster''s source is talking complete bollocks.
 

chrono

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It is up to you where you stand on this; a filled stone is a filled stone, no matter with what and the quantity. Unfilled rubies are out there but it depends upon the size and how much you are willing to spend. As for the optical glass versus lead glass, there is a good reason why lead glass is used over optical glass and MoreCarats has explained it well.
 

morecarats

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Date: 6/29/2010 4:49:43 AM
Author: Edward Bristol
I have never seen a fracture filled ruby that was really expensive (nor very pretty).


They are offered at $100-200/ct in Bangkok wholesale and you can get 10 carat rocks easy.


But I am not really a specialist on treated rubies. Professionally, to me, that is all evil
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so I leave the 1.8% to others.

Whatever one might think about this material, it meets a need in the low end market. However, the pricing cited is off by an order of magnitude. Fracture-filled ruby from Madagascar and Mozambique is routinely offered at USD $30.00 a carat at retail by Thai sellers, more or less independent of carat weight.
 

T L

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Date: 6/29/2010 7:41:00 AM
Author: morecarats
The glass used in optical instruments is silica glass, with a refractive index of 1.40 to 1.55.

Lead-glass is used in the fracture filling of ruby because it has a much higher refractive index, about 1.70, very close to the refractive index of ruby (1.762-1.770).

One would really have to say that the original poster''s source is talking complete bollocks.
MC,
Thanks for being a wealth of information on Pricescope, and I love your straightforwardness.
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RockHugger

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Heck, I have a 6ct glass filled ruby I purchased for 6$. They arnt worth a whole lot, optical or lead glass filled.
 

Edward Bristol

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1$/carat? But then we have cabochon or opaque material, right?

I should think a transparent, or at least translucent, filled ruby in OK color will have a price above processing cost.

The ones I have seen where not too bad looking and were snatched up by Indonesian dealers who carry them home without certificates.
 
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