ACORN Raid!!!

[starsapphire]

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/07/acorn-vegas-office-raided-voter-fraud-investigation/

 

[strmrdr]

Obama''s ties to ACORN

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09292008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/os_dangerous_pals_131216.htm?page=1

 

[starsapphire]

Voters "driven" to vote.....http://www.nypost.com/seven/10062008/news/nationalnews/homeless_driven_to_vote_obama_132395.htm

I think it is great to do that, but, I would hope that they are not doing it just to get them to vote for Obama, or anyone in particular.

 

[SarahLovesJS]

I just saw that more offices are being raided. 9 I believe was the number the gave..will post an article as soon as I have one.

 

[SarahLovesJS]

More on ACORN - Warning: Don''t look if you can''t handle Malkin

 

[HollyS]

Date: 10/8/2008 1:21:17 PM
Author: SarahLovesJS
More on ACORN - Warning: Don''t look if you can''t handle Malkin

And why, you may ask, is this not an election issue? I believe this goes to the heart of why we cannot trust Obama. At all. With anything. Certainly not the keys to the Oval Office. He''s just a smug phony with questionable friends and a suspect background. And that''s being kind.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 10/8/2008 2:43:14 PM
Author: HollyS

Date: 10/8/2008 1:21:17 PM
Author: SarahLovesJS
More on ACORN - Warning: Don''t look if you can''t handle Malkin

And why, you may ask, is this not an election issue? I believe this goes to the heart of why we cannot trust Obama. At all. With anything. Certainly not the keys to the Oval Office. He''s just a smug phony with questionable friends and a suspect background. And that''s being kind.

Holly, don''t get me wrong, THIS is wrong. But fraud and intimidation tactics are not without Republican paticipation. They are both an equal opportunity crime. And have been going on forever I imagine.

But it''s still wrong.

 

[luckystar112]

Holliday interviewed another homeless man targeted by the registration drive who exulted that he was voting for Obama because "I want him to do his thang. You know, do his thug thizzle."

I don''t know why this made me laugh so hard. I''m totally pocketing "thug thizzle" and using it from now on!

 

[HollyS]

Date: 10/8/2008 3:31:37 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 10/8/2008 2:43:14 PM
Author: HollyS

Date: 10/8/2008 1:21:17 PM
Author: SarahLovesJS
More on ACORN - Warning: Don''t look if you can''t handle Malkin

And why, you may ask, is this not an election issue? I believe this goes to the heart of why we cannot trust Obama. At all. With anything. Certainly not the keys to the Oval Office. He''s just a smug phony with questionable friends and a suspect background. And that''s being kind.

Holly, don''t get me wrong, THIS is wrong. But fraud and intimidation tactics are not without Republican paticipation. They are both an equal opportunity crime. And have been going on forever I imagine.

But it''s still wrong.

You might be right, but I can''t think of any examples off the top of my head. That would take a little research. But, this is business as usual for voter registration groups with Dem ties. Take for instance the Mayor Daley incident in Chicago that many believe helped Kennedy in 1960, or the questionable registration in the South during the civil rights era, or the phony registrations of dead people attributed to the LBJ for Senate campaign in the 40''s or 50''s. See, I''m not even a civics student, and I can rattle off 3 examples of fraud re: the other side.

 

[NewEnglandLady]

Date: 10/8/2008 3:39:56 PM
Author: luckystar112

Holliday interviewed another homeless man targeted by the registration drive who exulted that he was voting for Obama because ''I want him to do his thang. You know, do his thug thizzle.''

I don''t know why this made me laugh so hard. I''m totally pocketing ''thug thizzle'' and using it from now on!

Hahaha, I started laughing out loud as well. I laughed even harder when the article went on to to define "thug thizzle".

 

[strmrdr]

Well you know the old saying... The voting isn''t done until the dead in Chicago have voted twice.

 

[MoonWater]

Voter Registration Group ACORN Long a Target of GOP Operatives

excerpt:

In March, the Senate Committee on Rules and Administration held a hearing and heard testimony from election integrity experts who said voter fraud is a “myth” and voter identification laws actually disenfranchise legitimate voters.

Indeed, in a column published in the Washington Post last year, Justin Levitt, an attorney and expert on voting issues who teaches at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law, and Jeff Milyo, a professor at the University of Missouri-Columbia department of economics, said "the notion of widespread voter fraud... is itself a fraud. Evidence of actual fraud by individual voters is painfully skimpy."

ACORN has long been a target of Republican Party operatives dating as far back as the 2004 presidential election. But the accusations of malfeasance have never been supported by evidence.

 

[HollyS]

Date: 10/8/2008 5:37:30 PM
Author: MoonWater

Voter Registration Group ACORN Long a Target of GOP Operatives

excerpt:

In March, the Senate Committee on Rules and Administration held a hearing and heard testimony from election integrity experts who said voter fraud is a “myth” and voter identification laws actually disenfranchise legitimate voters.

Indeed, in a column published in the Washington Post last year, Justin Levitt, an attorney and expert on voting issues who teaches at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law, and Jeff Milyo, a professor at the University of Missouri-Columbia department of economics, said ''the notion of widespread voter fraud... is itself a fraud. Evidence of actual fraud by individual voters is painfully skimpy.''

ACORN has long been a target of Republican Party operatives dating as far back as the 2004 presidential election. But the accusations of malfeasance have never been supported by evidence.

Somehow, I don''t think the Attorney Generals of the states who have conducted raids, inquiries, or investigations, or filed charges will agree with you or your source.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 10/8/2008 5:10:35 PM
Author: HollyS

Date: 10/8/2008 3:31:37 PM
Author: Ellen

Holly, don't get me wrong, THIS is wrong. But fraud and intimidation tactics are not without Republican paticipation. They are both an equal opportunity crime. And have been going on forever I imagine.

But it's still wrong.

You might be right, but I can't think of any examples off the top of my head. That would take a little research. But, this is business as usual for voter registration groups with Dem ties. Take for instance the Mayor Daley incident in Chicago that many believe helped Kennedy in 1960, or the questionable registration in the South during the civil rights era, or the phony registrations of dead people attributed to the LBJ for Senate campaign in the 40's or 50's. See, I'm not even a civics student, and I can rattle off 3 examples of fraud re: the other side.

I can't either, but I know I've heard of it (intimidation) in the past. However, just last night I was listening to the Dem. Gov. of North Carolina being interviewed and he happen to mention voter intimidation, and said it's not a myth, it does happen. I was going to post the transcript but they don't have it up yet. I'll post it later.

 

[SarahLovesJS]

Guy Registered by ACORN 10-15 Times

 

[LaraOnline]

This is the kind of bizarre behaviour that is encouraged by having a completely open voting system... the electoral roles should be maintained and kept by a government bureacracy.
Voter drives by partisan groups is kinda manipulative... and that''s not including interest groups ''cooking the books''.

 

[SarahLovesJS]

Date: 10/10/2008 10:02:37 AM
Author: LaraOnline
This is the kind of bizarre behaviour that is encouraged by having a completely open voting system... the electoral roles should be maintained and kept by a government bureacracy.

Voter drives by partisan groups is kinda manipulative... and that''s not including interest groups ''cooking the books''.

Lara, you have compulsory voting, right? I think that''s really cool, btw!

 

[starsapphire]

Date: 10/8/2008 5:22:28 PM
Author: strmrdr
Well you know the old saying... The voting isn''t done until the dead in Chicago have voted twice.

My husband always says "vote early, vote often". He said that last time we voted and the polling lady said, and I quote, "this ain''t Chicago!!!" she was laughing!!!

 

[luckystar112]

Date: 10/8/2008 5:15:27 PM
Author: NewEnglandLady

Date: 10/8/2008 3:39:56 PM
Author: luckystar112

Holliday interviewed another homeless man targeted by the registration drive who exulted that he was voting for Obama because ''I want him to do his thang. You know, do his thug thizzle.''

I don''t know why this made me laugh so hard. I''m totally pocketing ''thug thizzle'' and using it from now on!

Hahaha, I started laughing out loud as well. I laughed even harder when the article went on to to define ''thug thizzle''.

We''re not allowed to laugh. Or mention thug-thizzle at all.
WATCH OUT!!!

 

[starsapphire]

Hahhaahahahha!!!!! Barack is NOT my homeboy!!! Too funny!

 

[starsapphire]

From the urban dictionary. thug thizzle Doing your thang. Putting your mack down.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=thug+thizzle


fo shizzle means for sure

 

[HollyS]

Date: 10/10/2008 4:29:20 PM
Author: starsapphire
From the urban dictionary. thug thizzle Doing your thang. Putting your mack down.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=thug+thizzle


fo shizzle means for sure

Oh, so it''s English from the mouth of Snoop Dog (or as another black person once referred to him: Snarf Barky Bark).

What the h-e-double l is ''your mack''? Geez, I make a lousy homegirl.

 

[LaraOnline]

Yeah, compulsory voting.. although I don''t think voting is compulsory for local council elections.
I think it''s really cool too...
I think it contributes a general sense of civic responsibility in people, and I think it makes them feel both recognised, and invested, in government.
People care, and they think their vote counts.

If you DO miss the vote, you tend to get a little $25 fine in the mail.
So, it''s not like a jailable offense or anything

But compulsory voting has created a culture where everyone gets off the couch and to the voting booth, without any particular political entreaty to do so.

I think it takes the pressure off the politicians in the hard sell, to some extent, as well.
I think it''s very civilised.

Arguments that ''in a free system, voting shouldn''t be compulsory'', well, I think they''re hollow, and probably prop up the incumbent government. I mean, taxes are compulsory...!

 

[SarahLovesJS]

Date: 10/10/2008 11:08:41 PM
Author: LaraOnline
Yeah, compulsory voting.. although I don''t think voting is compulsory for local council elections.

I think it''s really cool too...

I think it contributes a general sense of civic responsibility in people, and I think it makes them feel both recognised, and invested, in government.

People care, and they think their vote counts.


If you DO miss the vote, you tend to get a little $25 fine in the mail.

So, it''s not like a jailable offense or anything

But compulsory voting has created a culture where everyone gets off the couch and to the voting booth, without any particular political entreaty to do so.


I think it takes the pressure off the politicians in the hard sell, to some extent, as well.

I think it''s very civilised.


Arguments that ''in a free system, voting shouldn''t be compulsory'', well, I think they''re hollow, and probably prop up the incumbent government. I mean, taxes are compulsory...!

I''m in a comparative elections class and I thought that was really cool when I read that! I agree, I think it should be compulsory, too. Some people would FREAK here if we tried it, but I think it would be great. I also think some kind of systematic registration (maybe a form of automatic registration?) would help put an end to voter fraud.

 

[LaraOnline]

I think it sounds like it could reduce voter fraud, simply because enrollment, and maintenance of enrollments, is done by an independent government body.
Because, theoretically, everyone or almost everyone is enrolled, there is little incentive for politically motivated organisations to ''sign up'' droves of like-minded people, let alone ushering them into booths.

The stories I''ve been hearing of students being rounded up and ushered into early-voting booths by partisan organisations is mind-boggling to me!

Don''t get me wrong, we do have campaigns over here, and sympathetic groups will try to influence their members to vote a certain way. But, it seems much more low-key, they don''t pick you up to take you to a polling station to vote as a block!
Hey, I guess it could happen. We seem to pick up a few ideas from US politics!

The electoral commission sends forms to every household, and asks you to fill in the forms to update their records. Sometimes people come door to door.
I guess it is theoretically possible to multiple vote at a variety of polling stations within the election day, but the assistant crosses your name off a list, and one would hope they cross check the lists of names somehow at the end of the day!

 

[SarahLovesJS]

Date: 10/11/2008 8:29:03 AM
Author: LaraOnline
I think it sounds like it could reduce voter fraud, simply because enrollment, and maintenance of enrollments, is done by an independent government body.

Because, theoretically, everyone or almost everyone is enrolled, there is little incentive for politically motivated organisations to ''sign up'' droves of like-minded people, let alone ushering them into booths.


The stories I''ve been hearing of students being rounded up and ushered into early-voting booths by partisan organisations is mind-boggling to me!


Don''t get me wrong, we do have campaigns over here, and sympathetic groups will try to influence their members to vote a certain way. But, it seems much more low-key, they don''t pick you up to take you to a polling station to vote as a block!

Hey, I guess it could happen. We seem to pick up a few ideas from US politics!


The electoral commission sends forms to every household, and asks you to fill in the forms to update their records. Sometimes people come door to door.

I guess it is theoretically possible to multiple vote at a variety of polling stations within the election day, but the assistant crosses your name off a list, and one would hope they cross check the lists of names somehow at the end of the day!

I think your way sounds much better!

 

[SarahLovesJS]

And similar fraud in VA: http://www.wtvr.com/Global/story.asp?S=9161068

 

[decodelighted]

Have we found out why John McCain agreed to be the keynote speaker at this 2006 ACORN Rally .. you know ... if they were all full up of *fraud*?

And for those interested in the other side of the "ACORN issue" here is a helpful summary. And a "reputable news source".

 

[SarahLovesJS]

Did McCain give ACORN $800,000? If he did..I missed that and I stand corrected.

 

[SarahLovesJS]

Also, I guess ACORN was canvassing for McCain, too and I missed that one? They were working WITH not for, but WITH the Obama campaign. Advertisement # 1
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