Ellen
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Hey Gypsy.Gypsy|1463796282|4034268 said:The government is not the place for morals at all.
Morality is a personal issue. And is individual to each person.
Laws against murder, etc are for the "public good." Because they are not victimless crimes. And I pretty much only believe that the only type of crimes that should be dealt with by the government are ones that have actual victims. I don't think suicide should be a crime. And I don't believe government has any right to regulate any marriages except for requiring informed consent of the adults party to it. And that's only to protect minors.
An abortion has no victim. A fetus is not a human being. It's not even an animal. This is not a moral issue. It's a fact. It cannot live outside its incubator. It has no heart, or LIFE of it's own. It's a parasite. At least until a certain point. AND UNTIL THAT POINT it is a medical issue. Pure and simple. Like removing a tumor.
Making it ANYTHING ELSE is imposing YOUR morality on the rest of us. NO THANK YOU.
If men got pregnant this would not be an issue. You could have a safe effective abortion via a pill you could get from any doctor via a prescription.
Which is the way it should be.
Why isn't it that way? Because the Christian Right doesn't believe in it. And because men want to control women's bodies.
This isn't a Christian Country. And we have freedom OF and FROM religion. And bodily integrity should be an unalienable right.
You don't believe in abortion Joe? You don't get one. Don't sleep with someone who would get one. And make sure you use 2 kinds of birthcontrol (oh, wait, is that against your morality too???) to make sure you protect yourself AND your partner any time you have sex. Or just wait to have sex only when you can afford and want a child and then only have sex for procreation. Those are all YOUR rights. But that's really all that is OR SHOULD BE your right.
You do not get to impose your morality on me.
I am a little confused by the parts in bold. According to the Mayo clinic, a baby's heart is forming at 3 weeks after conception. Which technically isn't even a "fetus" yet, by definition.
fetus
noun fe·tus
Medical Definition of fetus
plural fetuses or chiefly British foetuses or foeti \ˈfēt-ˌī\play
: an unborn or unhatched vertebrate especially after attaining the basic structural plan of its kind; specifically : a developing human from usually two months after conception to birth—compare embryo
But back to the heart.
Week 5: The embryonic period begins
"The fifth week of pregnancy, or the third week after conception, marks the beginning of the embryonic period. This is when the baby's brain, spinal cord, heart and other organs begin to form"
And it is beating by the next week.
Week 6: The neural tube closes
Growth is rapid this week. Just four weeks after conception, the neural tube along your baby's back is closing and your baby's heart is pumping blood
http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/pregnancy-week-by-week/in-depth/prenatal-care/art-20045302
So a fetus definitely has a heart. Would you mind clarifying?
A 6 week old heartbeat for anyone who has never seen one. Scroll down just a tad for video.
http://www.newhealthguide.org/When-Does-A-Baby-Have-A-Heartbeat.html