1.5 RB color F and SI2 ?? Need some help...

[moso]

He everyone, I am new to pricescope forum. I have a question on a stone, I hope someone here can give some opinions on it. I have a stone from diamond registry

1 Br 1.51ct, F color, SI2 clarity, Ideal cut, AGS-000, GIA certified, $8305 total

with

depth: 59.9%
table: 56%
Girdle: Thin-medium
Fluorescence: None
Culet: None
Polish: Good
Symmetry: Very Good

It seems like no one has an SI2 stone. Is that bad? They say that all the inclusions are on the edge of the stone, there''s only one small inclusion in the center.

So how''s is it?? Thanks for helping.....

 

[AndyRosse]

I think SI2 stones are a great bargain as long as it is eye clean, the inclusions can be covered with prongs, or you don''t mind it not being eye clean. I personally I won''t pay for higher clarity when I can''t see any inclusions anyway in a lower clarity.

 

[Mara]

Who says no one has an SI2 stone?!??!

Have you looked around here??

I have a beautiful SI2 stone and alot of other people around here do too. If you can find one that has white inclusions or inclusions placed strategically off to the side or hidden against a facet etc then you are golden. They are a great way to save money and if you feel strongly about higher color then the F SI2 would be a fab choice.

Can you get a Sarin report on the stone? The depth is a tiny bit shallow for MY tastes off-hand but one of my fave stones on here, Demelza''s has a similar depth with a similar table if I recall correctly and is breathtaking from the photos and she adores it.

Thing is, if it''s AGS000 as you noted, then Polish and Symm would not just be Good and Very Good. So I kind of tend to doubt that AGS000 notation. Ideal cut..maybe.

The price is very good though, so maybe it doesn''t matter if P/S are not the best. I''d look around though and make sure this is the best deal you can find, did you see the stone in person. Thoughts?

 

[Regular Guy]

It would be good to know if either it is a newer cert, providing light performance data, or if not (or even if so), what the crown & pavilion data that are reported with the cert. The tutorial here gives background for why this info is helpful.

(edited to add...sorry, I didn't read carefully enough. But yes, reports that show AGS0 for GIA graded stones must be seen in a circumspect way until more info is available, as they probably reference AGS's older way of measuring, which has been improved. As Mara says, I'd try to get this additional info.

 

[valeria101]

Date: 10/21/2005 1:07:17 PM
Author:moso

It seems like no one has an SI2 stone.
Not so... there are quite a few around.


Is that bad?
''Colorless & eye clean'' as you have it, is a nice find

They say that all the inclusions are on the edge of the stone, there''s only one small inclusion in the center.

So how''s is it??

Have you seen it? Lab reports leave the color and visibility of inclusions to be guessed. So... I don''t know. Your description sounds promissing if anything. What are the inclusions? (crystal, feather...) Anyway, even with a copy of the lab report seeing the diamond is the ultimate judge, IMO.

God luck!

 

[moso]

Thanks for your replies!!

I haven''t seen this stone personally...I will see this stone on 11/1. I asked for sarin report, but they say they will show me when I get there. They also told me that it''s eye clean. But then I think eye clean depends on each individual''s definition. I wasn''t sure if eye clean belongs to SI2 clarity though. When I heard that this is AGS000, I thought that poly/Symm are supposed to be ID/ID or EX/EX....I am not sure why it''s like that. But price is good? Or should I go for a smaller stone but a better clarity? I haven''t seem too many stones personally, but I am just a little nervous about SI2 clarity....

 

[Mara]

The price is good at $8300 for an 1.5c F SI2 but it does depend on the cut quality...a better cut stone will be more expensive typically.

Here's a specimen that will be an AGS000 Ideal for $10500 PS price, 1.56 E SI2 so you can see your price is fairly good for an F SI2. If this stone was an F SI2 it maybe would be $9500? Hard to estimate.

http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/diamond_Details.aspx?itemcode=GIA-13681054

 

[moso]

One more question...are Polish and Symmetry important?

 

[Mara]

Date: 10/21/2005 1:33:54 PM
Author: moso
One more question...are Polish and Symmetry important?

I think they are...but I''m also very self-confessed super picky.

Experts on here have said that you may not see a difference between a VG and EX or ID rating but that you will probably see a difference between Good and EX or ID. So I''d at least try to stick with VG VG if not EX/ID.

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 10/21/2005 1:24:41 PM
Author: moso

I asked for sarin report, but they say they will show me when I get there.

WHY? Why can''t they provide Sarin information in advance of your visit?

 

[moso]

I would like to find a stone that has at least VG/VG for poly/Symm around the same price range...but I can''t seem to find one. Does anythone know anywhere I might be able to find it?

I think I am going to try to ask for sarin report before I pay a visit. This is perfectly fine with this industry, right?

 

[orbaya]

They probably want to be sure he makes it through the door and into their store (hey that rhymes!). Once he's there, he could get bowled over by some aggressive salesperson. If he finds out beforehand that the specs aren't what he wants, then he could very well go elsewhere and not give them another thought.

That's my guess anyway.

 

[Kerbear560]

Date: 10/21/2005 2:09:35 PM
Author: moso
I would like to find a stone that has at least VG/VG for poly/Symm around the same price range...but I can''t seem to find one. Does anythone know anywhere I might be able to find it?

I think I am going to try to ask for sarin report before I pay a visit. This is perfectly fine with this industry, right?

Here''s a link to a stone that you might be interested in available at Whiteflash: http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-1732619.htm# It''s a little smaller in carat weight than the one you originally posted about, but a well cut round brilliant will look larger to the eye than a poorly cut one. I''m not sure if it''s eye-clean. There is a visible inclusion in the center of the table in the magnified picture on their website, but it MAY not be visible to the naked eye from normal viewing distance (ideal cut also helps hide inclusions)! The best thing to do (if you have an interest in this stone, or any other one on their site) is to call and speak to Brian Gavin. He can look at the diamond and let you know if it is eye-clean or not.

I have a SI2 from Whiteflash that I love!

 

[laney]

Hi -

Yes, I''d ask for the sarin information or any other information BEFORE you go. It should be fine. If they backpedle - just ask politely and be firm.

I had an F SI2 which was gorgeous! I loved it. I now have an H SI2 - and the same. SI2 represented a good value to me - and I always challenge people to look for the inclusions. No one can find them - and I have a hard time.

That said-- I have seen poor SI2s as well.

Good luck! And take your time.

 

[moso]

Thanks guys..I think I will keep on looking. I guess a good cut is very important...that it can cover up a lot of imperfections...

and I think I will stick with high quality SI 1 or 2.

 

[Kerbear560]

Here are some more. These are all around your price range and are VG/VG or better for polish/symmetry! This is fun!


These are in the "colorless range," and also A Cut Above''s from Whiteflash:

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-1583706.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-1911794.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-1911790.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-1911792.htm


If you are not totally set on a "colorless" stone (more ACA''s):

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-1312935.htm This one''s a J. There are many here on Pricescope that have awesome J''s (Mara''s comes to mind

). There''s a whole thread of pictures of J stones in platinum: https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/j-color-stones-in-platinum.24731/=

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-1911798.htm

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-1911801.htm VS2 in clarity. No need to worry about eye visible inclusions!

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-1583707.htm Also a VS2


This one is part of Whiteflash''s Expert Selection (here''s a thread that explains the difference between A Cut Above and Expert Selection:https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/a-cut-above-vs-expert-selection-whiteflash.29786/

http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-1264254.htm


Here''s some from Good Old Gold:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/1_59ct_j_si2_h%26a.htm

http://www.goodoldgold.com/1_37ct_h_si1_h%26a.htm

http://www.goodoldgold.com/1_263ct_h_vs2_h%26a.htm

http://www.goodoldgold.com/1_24ct_h_vs2_h%26a.htm

http://www.goodoldgold.com/1_241ct_f_si1_h%26a.htm

http://www.goodoldgold.com/1_202ct_h_si1_h%26a.htm


As you can see, there are many excellent diamonds available from internet vendors (if you decide to go that route)! Hope this helps!

 

[Regular Guy]

Date: 10/21/2005 3:40:39 PM
Author: moso
Thanks guys..I think I will keep on looking. I guess a good cut is very important...that it can cover up a lot of imperfections...

and I think I will stick with high quality SI 1 or 2.

I wouldn''t throw out the baby with the bath water. This may be the ideal cut diamond you are looking for. Most shops, period, don''t have ready access to sarin equpment. Have you asked them if they could provide you sarin info specifically before you come in? Of course, there''s lots of nice other options, but as Mara noted, this one is well priced.

 

[Shay37]

Date: 10/21/2005 4:31:22 PM
Author: Regular Guy

Date: 10/21/2005 3:40:39 PM
Author: moso
Thanks guys..I think I will keep on looking. I guess a good cut is very important...that it can cover up a lot of imperfections...

and I think I will stick with high quality SI 1 or 2.

I wouldn''t throw out the baby with the bath water. This may be the ideal cut diamond you are looking for. Most shops, period, don''t have ready access to sarin equpment. Have you asked them if they could provide you sarin info specifically before you come in? Of course, there''s lots of nice other options, but as Mara noted, this one is well priced.

Ira, this stone is said to be cut to AGS000. How would they know that without being in possession of the sarin already? Why the hemming and hawing?

shay

 

[Regular Guy]

Shay,

From what I understand, the jewelry profession has survived for years up to now with 99% of them having no equipment for measuring these things, but...with them transmitting info about "ideal" cuts from the wholesalers that supply them with this info. If you look here, at the Quick Search, you see that you can do what any jeweler apparently can do (or close to it), check the box, and thereby pull those diamonds that reportedly say "AGS0" somewhere on their paperwork. Though it''s true enough that that data has been too often less than reliable, even for the old AGS0, it certainly increases the options for finding one of these...at least on a budget.

 

[Shay37]

Date: 10/21/2005 7:53:57 PM
Author: Regular Guy
Shay,

From what I understand, the jewelry profession has survived for years up to now with 99% of them having no equipment for measuring these things, but...with them transmitting info about ''ideal'' cuts from the wholesalers that supply them with this info. If you look here, at the Quick Search, you see that you can do what any jeweler apparently can do (or close to it), check the box, and thereby pull those diamonds that reportedly say ''AGS0'' somewhere on their paperwork. Though it''s true enough that that data has been too often less than reliable, even for the old AGS0, it certainly increases the options for finding one of these...at least on a budget.

Thank you, Ira.

shay