HELP - calling all who have SEEN a strong blue fluor diamond

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Post by Ellen » January 3rd, 2007, 10:55 am
Date: 1/3/2007 2:52:07 PM
Author: hikerchick


It isn''t hazy at all until it is in direct sunlight . . . it is rated as strong blue, not very strong blue.
Unfortunately, as much as I want you guys to make the decision for me Image I am gonna have to decide.
We will try to see if the B&M stores will let us compare it to the others we have seen before we make a decision.
I have until Sunday to send it back . . . but it is SO shiny and beautiful and ideally cut and the price is right so we might just decide to love it for its beauty AND its quirky blue fluor . . .
I will keep you guys posted.
And, just remember, WF has an upgrade policy, just in case.... Image

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Post by Garry H (Cut Nut) » January 3rd, 2007, 11:01 am
Date: 1/3/2007 2:56:01 PM
Author: oldminer
My real point is that grading strength of fluorescence is still subjective and that one can appreciate a diamond for how it looks, not what someone graded it. The fact that I like my fluorescent diamond should make you feel that it is your personal decision to like a stone or to decide to get another. What it is graded has far less to do with your personal choice once you understand that it isn''t a mistake to like a diamond with flourescence.

Here here!

I photographed Daves ring in direct (left) and indirect shaded (right) sunlight in August San Diego cloudless mid morning sunlight at the recent GIA Symposium.

You can see the very very strong milky blue cloudiness that makes the stone very dull in the left side shot.
But in the right side - even in very strong lighting - you can see the stone sparkles beautifully.  The fluoro effect is still evident - but is it a distraction? Ii think not - I see it as an advantage becuase the bluishness (sorry about the pink overtone - environmental color) gives the stone an extra life.

Hope this helps
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Post by hikerchick » January 3rd, 2007, 11:13 am
Thank you VERY much Garry for that comparison picture . . . my stone looks much closer in its haziness to the pictures posted by Ellen and Al and less so like Dave''s . . . amazing how much the stone can change in its color and appearance so instantly . . . its really cool . . .

If that picture is what is considered milky, then I would say my diamond is hazy in direct sunlight but not milky . . .

Isn''t the internet a great thing . . . Image
Thanks you all so VERY much.

I will try and get a picture of mine tomorrow and post it. Thanks again.


Post by Scott 00 » January 3rd, 2007, 12:07 pm
My ring also displays SBF, here is a comparison of it under unfiltered sunlight vs a much more intense UV source... only then do you see a hint of haze.  Hope this helps...
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Post by zhuzhu » January 3rd, 2007, 12:53 pm
You can see my sbf princess pendant here: http://www.pricescope.com/forum/rockytalky/glowing-princess-pendant-pics-t54926.html I simply LOVE the "milkiness or whatever you call it". To my eyes it sparkles rainbow colors IN ADDITION to the cool purpole glow. :)

Post by SKR » January 3rd, 2007, 1:07 pm
I''m really confused now. I have read plenty of posts on here saying that haziness / milkyness is extremely extremely rare even in diamonds with very strong / strong blue fluor. So how come we have so many people claiming haziness in their stones on this thread ?

Post by aljdewey » January 3rd, 2007, 1:24 pm
Date: 1/3/2007 7:07:29 PM
Author: SKR

So how come we have so many people claiming haziness in their stones on this thread ?

I''m actually *not* claiming haziness.  My diamond has NO milky or hazy appearance to it IRL.  The point of my pictures were to illustrate the blue body color that the stones takes on when in the sunlight.

However, it''s not hazy, not milky, and not lacking in brilliance IRL.  Even when both diamonds are viewed in direct sunlight, I can''t see a discernable difference. 

The camera picks up what my eye cannot.
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Post by UCLABelle » January 3rd, 2007, 1:29 pm
HikerChick- I actually really like blue flr. depending on the ring. Would I want  blue flr in an e-ring? Maybe. It sure might help a my "I" asscher, but of the strong blues I have seen, I think they look a bit strange, and not my taste. Medium blue flr, I think, is the safer bet.

Post by KtIceRN » January 3rd, 2007, 1:52 pm
Hikerchick, I just got a J 1.75 from whiteflash with strong blue. I was very nervous as well before I saw it, so I know exactly what you are talking about.
I do not see any haze or milkyness in my stone but when in direct sunlight it has a blueish/purpleish overtone, almost like a glow from within. I thought it was very pretty myself. It has no effect on the stones proformance at all. I think that it looks great actually cause in the sun I see alot of fire as well. I posted a bunch of pics in my thread if you want to look there.

Post by Kaleigh » January 3rd, 2007, 1:58 pm
My asscher RHR has strong blue and it''s clear as day...
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Post by :) » January 3rd, 2007, 2:03 pm
Date: 1/3/2007 7:58:03 PM
Author: Kaleigh
My asscher RHR has strong blue and it''s clear as day...
ROFL - I initially read this as "clear as CLAY"!

Post by hikerchick » January 3rd, 2007, 2:03 pm
Date: 1/3/2007 7:24:34 PM
Author: aljdewey

Date: 1/3/2007 7:07:29 PM
Author: SKR

So how come we have so many people claiming haziness in their stones on this thread ?

I''m actually *not* claiming haziness. My diamond has NO milky or hazy appearance to it IRL. The point of my pictures were to illustrate the blue body color that the stones takes on when in the sunlight.

However, it''s not hazy, not milky, and not lacking in brilliance IRL. Even when both diamonds are viewed in direct sunlight, I can''t see a discernable difference.

The camera picks up what my eye cannot.

Alj,

Your diamonds are indeed brilliant and beautiful . . . not milky at all . . . just the cool purple glow . . . thank you for posting the pictures for me to see.

Post by hikerchick » January 3rd, 2007, 2:06 pm
Date: 1/3/2007 7:52:38 PM
Author: KtIceRN
Hikerchick, I just got a J 1.75 from whiteflash with strong blue. I was very nervous as well before I saw it, so I know exactly what you are talking about.
I do not see any haze or milkyness in my stone but when in direct sunlight it has a blueish/purpleish overtone, almost like a glow from within. I thought it was very pretty myself. It has no effect on the stones proformance at all. I think that it looks great actually cause in the sun I see alot of fire as well. I posted a bunch of pics in my thread if you want to look there.

WOW !!!!!!!  I just checked out your pictures . . . what a beautiful diamond . . . I am floored . . .
Great pictures, I hope I have as much luck with my digital camera and my diamond tomorrow.

Post by hikerchick » January 3rd, 2007, 2:07 pm
Date: 1/3/2007 6:53:49 PM
Author: zhuzhu
You can see my sbf princess pendant here: http://www.pricescope.com/forum/rockytalky/glowing-princess-pendant-pics-t54926.html I simply LOVE the ''milkiness or whatever you call it''. To my eyes it sparkles rainbow colors IN ADDITION to the cool purpole glow. :)

I LOVE how clear blue the pendant is . . . great choice.

Post by Ellen » January 3rd, 2007, 2:20 pm
Date: 1/3/2007 8:03:22 PM
Author: :)

Date: 1/3/2007 7:58:03 PM
Author: Kaleigh
My asscher RHR has strong blue and it''s clear as day...
ROFL - I initially read this as ''clear as CLAY''!
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For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Romans 10:13


Post by aljdewey » January 3rd, 2007, 2:27 pm
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Date: 1/3/2007 8:03:49 PM
Author: hikerchick

Date: 1/3/2007 7:24:34 PM
Author: aljdewey


Date: 1/3/2007 7:07:29 PM
Author: SKR

So how come we have so many people claiming haziness in their stones on this thread ?

I''m actually *not* claiming haziness. My diamond has NO milky or hazy appearance to it IRL. The point of my pictures were to illustrate the blue body color that the stones takes on when in the sunlight.

However, it''s not hazy, not milky, and not lacking in brilliance IRL. Even when both diamonds are viewed in direct sunlight, I can''t see a discernable difference.

The camera picks up what my eye cannot.

Alj,

Your diamonds are indeed brilliant and beautiful . . . not milky at all . . . just the cool purple glow . . . thank you for posting the pictures for me to see.

hahaha - No worries at all, HikerChick. Image  I''m not offended in the slightest; I just think that SKR was reading into the post in a different way than it was intended.  I think she was reading it to mean that we''re all saying our diamonds are hazy, when it''s quite the opposite.  We''re saying that the blue effect isn''t hazy or milky; just.....well, blue!  LOL

The camera is able to pick up the blue hue, but in real life, it looks crisp and clear. 
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Post by Ellen » January 3rd, 2007, 2:32 pm
For the record, I posted mine as it IS hazy. And the Gemologist who looked at it (after buying ), said the strong flo affected the clarity. It was REALLY noticable under high mag.


And Alj, SKR is a "he". Image

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For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
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Post by ladykemma » January 3rd, 2007, 2:36 pm
here are a pair of jared's off the rack leverbacks that i have. both are bue fluorescent. actually both are the same i couldn't juggle the UV light, the camera and the earrings at the same time.

they are not in any way hazy, oily or milky in sunlight. they are firecrackers. and turn periwinkle blue at certain angles.

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Post by ladykemma » January 3rd, 2007, 2:39 pm
incandescent light. i will once more to get a nonblurry picture.
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Post by ladykemma » January 3rd, 2007, 2:50 pm
fluorescent pear. no hazy. milky or oily. crazy periwinkle blue.
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Post by ladykemma » January 3rd, 2007, 3:06 pm
in direct sunlight
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Post by Garry H (Cut Nut) » January 3rd, 2007, 3:39 pm
Date: 1/3/2007 7:07:29 PM
Author: SKR
I''m really confused now. I have read plenty of posts on here saying that haziness / milkyness is extremely extremely rare even in diamonds with very strong / strong blue fluor. So how come we have so many people claiming haziness in their stones on this thread ?

I think your fears have been allayed SKR?

The other thing worth noting is that most times we look at diamonds in direct unshaded sun light or any other intensly bright light the body color of the diamond goes dark and unattractive - with just a small number of totally bright sparkles. (This is why also why GIA''s Diamond Dock is a bad environment).

So even if a diamond was hazy in that type of light, as Daves is in the photo above - no non fluoro diamond looks even as good as Daves does in direct sun - which at least has an ''interesting'' look.
Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT

HCA and Ideal-scope developer

http://www.ideal-scope.com and
http://www.HollowayDiamonds.com.au

Post by Garry H (Cut Nut) » January 3rd, 2007, 3:46 pm
check out the video I did in the Conservatory - 4 down 3 across on this page http://diamondscope.pricescope.com/?src=GarryhPro.wmv

And do a search for many threads with words like
Dark Sunlight
and you will find heaps of people panicing about this effect
Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT

HCA and Ideal-scope developer

http://www.ideal-scope.com and
http://www.HollowayDiamonds.com.au

Post by Kaleigh » January 3rd, 2007, 4:00 pm
Date: 1/3/2007 8:20:48 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 1/3/2007 8:03:22 PM
Author: :)


Date: 1/3/2007 7:58:03 PM
Author: Kaleigh
My asscher RHR has strong blue and it''s clear as day...
ROFL - I initially read this as ''clear as CLAY''!
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Haha, I can see that now, should have said clear as DAY!!!!  My Oval has strong blue too, if I remember correctly.  It is clear as DAY too!!!!ImageImage
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Post by SKR » January 4th, 2007, 7:05 am
Date: 1/3/2007 9:39:31 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)

Date: 1/3/2007 7:07:29 PM
Author: SKR
I''m really confused now. I have read plenty of posts on here saying that haziness / milkyness is extremely extremely rare even in diamonds with very strong / strong blue fluor. So how come we have so many people claiming haziness in their stones on this thread ?

I think your fears have been allayed SKR?

The other thing worth noting is that most times we look at diamonds in direct unshaded sun light or any other intensly bright light the body color of the diamond goes dark and unattractive - with just a small number of totally bright sparkles. (This is why also why GIA''s Diamond Dock is a bad environment).

So even if a diamond was hazy in that type of light, as Daves is in the photo above - no non fluoro diamond looks even as good as Daves does in direct sun - which at least has an ''interesting'' look.

I looked at one of my wifes RB''s which has medium blue fl in direct and indirect sunlight today and absolutely nothing, No blue shade/haze/shine/tinge/tint - nothing, it just looked normal. It would however darken at certain angles in direct sunlight.

Post by Garry H (Cut Nut) » January 4th, 2007, 7:44 am
Date: 1/4/2007 1:05:34 PM
Author: SKR

I looked at one of my wifes RB''s which has medium blue fl in direct and indirect sunlight today and absolutely nothing, No blue shade/haze/shine/tinge/tint - nothing, it just looked normal. It would however darken at certain angles in direct sunlight.

Strong and very strong are much nicer and more fun SKR.
Dave''s in the photo is off the scale EXTREMELY STRONG
Garry Holloway FGAA DipDT

HCA and Ideal-scope developer

http://www.ideal-scope.com and
http://www.HollowayDiamonds.com.au

Post by Midway » January 4th, 2007, 7:56 am
Just another perspective to add to the dialogue.  I looked at several medium to very strong blue stones when I was searching for my fiance''s engagement ring.  For me personally, it was not the look that I wanted for her e-ring stone.  The stones definitely had a blueish hue in sunlight.  I can see why some would find this beautiful, but for me it wasn''t what I looked for in a diamond. 

The only word of caution I''d say is know what you''re getting with strong blue fluor.  I''ve heard many people on here, especially experts, sing the praises of blue fluor.  But it''s too often presented as if someone would be crazy not to prefer a blue fluor stone.  I think they look very distinctively different in certain lighting conditions.  To me, they don''t necessarily look whiter, but bluer.  I just don''t think it should be presented as, people in the "know" prefer blue fluor stones.  If you do that''s great, but if you don''t that''s great too.

Post by hikerchick » January 4th, 2007, 7:56 am
Here are a few pictures I tried to take . . . I couldn''t capture the blue halo around the diamond very well but I gave it my best shot.
BTW, I am falling in love with it so we are going to keep it ImageImage

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Post by hikerchick » January 4th, 2007, 7:57 am
Another one
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Post by hikerchick » January 4th, 2007, 7:59 am
a third
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