Zultanite price?

[wazabi]

Good morning everybody;

I would know the price per carat of zultanite (Diaspore) please (wholesale) ? I read that it could reach $5000 / carat for larger stone (over 10 carat)!

link: http://www.zultanitegems.com/images/article-1208.pdf

Thank you

 

[chrono]

I've never heard of dispore reaching $500/ct. If it does, it would have to be an exceptional stone where there is a very pure and intense colour with the cutting done correctly to accentuate the full colour shift/change.

 

[LD]

$5,000 per carat? No way. As Chrono says, $500 per carat is more like it for an exceptional piece. Even then, you can find excellent examples at much less than that.

 

[T L]

I''ve never seen any diaspore in person. Does anyone think who has seen finer quality, even based on top color, that it''s worth even $500/ct? I have only heard unexceptional things about the color.

 

[LD]

I have some exceptional pieces TL but have never paid $500 per carat - always much much less. The colours are lovely but a bit too muted for me (and I suspect you too).

x

 

[wazabi]

And while you think of these prices:

http://www.moregems.com/categories/zultanite/







Ask the price for these diaspore and you will see! ( $900/ ct)

http://www.atggems.com/Photos_Diaspore.htm

 

[D&T]

here is another link to zultanite, around that price range of your link. but there are others in the $600 range. yikes... Price is high... guess thats why its more of a collectible?

http://www.bestcutgems.com/zultanitegemstones

 

[Lady_Disdain]

Date: 7/7/2009 12:56:01 PM
Author: wazabi
And while you think of these prices:

http://www.moregems.com/categories/zultanite/

I don''t know much about diaspore (although the prices that you mention seem way too high), but this site seems like a scam:

1 - it sells an "investment gem package", at a third of retail, and promises excellent profits.

2 - Even though the description of said package (and other gems) is very detailed (leading one to think it is a single stone, not one of a parcel of matching, calibrated stones), you can buy multiple quantities of it. I was able to multiple packages on my cart without a glitch. I wanted to try checking out as well, but $50k is too high a price tag for a lark.

3 - A fine jewelry store, with high end gems, is selling Seiko wathces? Sorry, makes no sense.

All the prices seem way too high: $450 for 18cts of treated blue topaz, for example. Even when very well cut, irradiated blue topaz should be around $10/ct. The opals seem off as well.

I may be completely off the mark, but I would stay well away from them.

 

[wazabi]

Lady disdain; would do you think about this site:

http://www.atggems.com/Photos_Diaspore.htm

This seller sell diaspore $900 per carat!

And this magazine tell us that the diaspore'price (zultanite) for larger piece (museum piece) is over $3000 per carat !


http://www.zultanitegems.com/images/article-1208.pdf

 

[partgypsy]

For colored stones the price is whatever the market will bear. So in general it doesn''t seem there is a large market for people are willing to spend 5K a carat for diaspore especially as it is a softer stone (not good for most jewelry uses) and many people find it "muddy" looking.

 

[wazabi]

Part gipsy; you said it is "muddy" .... Personally I find this beautiful stone! A stone which changes color is exceptional. Have you ever seen a Big zultanite, over 10 carat with good clarity ? Beautiful !

 

[tessa]

I have seen really good Zultanite and I have also seen not so good Zultanite.

The good stuff has saturation and excellent 3 phase color change.
The not so good stuff has not so good color and much less defined color change.
It is a wonderful stone and sometimes you can see more than one color at a time, like if you are sitting indoors near a window.

Good Zultanite is really really beautiful but 5K a carat is still way too high.

 

[Lady_Disdain]

Date: 7/7/2009 1:53:40 PM
Author: wazabi
Lady disdain; would do you think about this site:

http://www.atggems.com/Photos_Diaspore.htm

This seller sell diaspore $900 per carat!

And this magazine tell us that the diaspore''price (zultanite) for larger piece (museum piece) is over $3000 per carat !


http://www.zultanitegems.com/images/article-1208.pdf

Wazabi,

My point is that that site has practices that seem scam like to me ("Investment" gems is an old one), uses the same photo and description to sell many gems (ie., allowing one to buy up to 30 units of the same description) and very high prices in many gems, not just diaspore. But this is just my opinion.

I am sort of confused by this thread: are you trying to find out what the carat price of zultanite is or trying to convince us that zultanite can fetch very high prices?

 

[wazabi]

OK OK 5K is too hight, maybe... BUT why Some professionels then announce this price? And why certain website display rates $1000/carat?

 

[LD]

Date: 7/7/2009 3:09:00 PM
Author: wazabi
OK OK 5K is too hight, maybe... BUT why Some professionels then announce this price? And why certain website display rates $1000/carat?

I''m not sure the people you are quoting are "professionals". Websites will display very high prices - it doesn''t mean something will sell.

If somebody is in the market to buy Zultanite, they will do their research, as you are doing. They will find that the prices quoted on these websites much too high. Excellent Zultanite is readily available at far less than $500 per carat.

You mustn''t believe everything you read!

 

[Indylady]

Has anyone heard of GemsTV? Its a tv channel that sells jewelery through a ''reverse auction''; they''ve been pushing Zultanite for a while now

It seems like they grab onto a particular gemstone (one that most people haven''t heard of, sometimes with a snazzy name) and then push it to no end, telling people that its an ''investment'' and that the mines are closing/running out, and there won''t be anymore.

 

[partgypsy]

My apologies, regarding "muddy looking" I must have been thinking of a different stone because the pics in those links, the stones were very pretty. I guess the main competitor to zultanite or turkish diaspore would be alexandrite. Alexandrite''s hardness makes it a better jewelry stone. However Alexandrite is almost never comes in large sizes, so there may be people interested in larger sizes of zultanite for that reason. I probably would not buy one but I would be curious to see one in person.

 

[LD]

Date: 7/7/2009 3:55:27 PM
Author: part gypsy
My apologies, regarding ''muddy looking'' I must have been thinking of a different stone because the pics in those links, the stones were very pretty. I guess the main competitor to zultanite or turkish diaspore would be alexandrite. Alexandrite''s hardness makes it a better jewelry stone. However Alexandrite is almost never comes in large sizes, so there may be people interested in larger sizes of zultanite for that reason. I probably would not buy one but I would be curious to see one in person.

OMG part gypsy I''m covering my offended ears

I''m a bit of a colour change gemstone enthusiast and IMVHO Alexandrite is a million miles away from Zultanite. Zultanite only colour shifts, Alex colour changes. The shift in Zultanite colour is much much more subtle. A very pretty gemstone if you like subtle, paler gemstones but not a gemstone that turns heads necessarily.

To be honest, a great colour change Garnet or Sapphire (and of course Alex) all outstrip Zultanite. It doesn''t hold a candle to those gemstones.

GemsTV became the sole distributor for about 18 months - managing to secure a deal with the Turkish mine owners. That deal fell apart a while ago and, although they''re a distributor, there are many other outlets now. Curiously, the one place where it''s difficult to buy and the samples you can buy aren''t good is in Turkey!

 

[wazabi]

Zultanite is a colour change stone !! It is a very beautiful stone ! 100% colour change for larger piece !!
Read this: http://www.gemstone.org/gem-by-gem/english/zultanite.html

quote : "Zultanite displays a range of earthy hues and similar to the famous color change gem Alexandrite, it can change from kiwi greens in sunlight (candescent light) to raspberry purplish-pinks in candlelight (incandescent light)"

 

[LD]

Date: 7/7/2009 5:10:18 PM
Author: wazabi
Zultanite is a colour change stone !! It is a very beautiful stone ! 100% colour change for larger piece !!
Read this: http://www.gemstone.org/gem-by-gem/english/zultanite.html

quote : ''Zultanite displays a range of earthy hues and similar to the famous color change gem Alexandrite, it can change from kiwi greens in sunlight (candescent light) to raspberry purplish-pinks in candlelight (incandescent light)''

The size of Zultanite DOES NOT guarantee that you will have colour change or 100% colour change.

Can you tell me exactly what you''re trying to achieve with this thread? Are you trying to sell a large Zultanite? You appear to be searching the internet and then challenging people based on what you''ve read rather than experience?

 

[wazabi]

: left" dir="ltr id=result_box">I want to know who to believe actually! Are you the professionals to do?

 

[LD]

Since you don''t know us and you also don''t know the "professionals" you keep quoting, I suggest you send your gemstone to a reputable lab that specialises in coloured gemstones and get their opinion as to it''s quality. You then need to ask somebody who deals in Zultanite what they would sell it for, wholesale, which was the question you originally asked.

Perhaps if you spend some time reading threads on this forum you''ll see that there are a very large number of gemstone dealers, collectors and cutters who post and you may feel more confident in the opinions you''re receiving.

 

[Lady_Disdain]

PS is composed of consumers, gemlovers (aka consumers without a budget), jewellers, gemdealers, gem cutters, etc. In general, peope without an agenda. In gemology, though, there is rarely one "pro" who holds the "right" answer: different people have different views and experiences. Pricing gems is specialy complicated, as there are so many factors, not only colour, cut, weight, clarity, etc.

In the end, while we can certainly give you our opinions and views, the best way is for you to research and learn. There are a lot of great websites with information. Look for the ones that aren''t trying to sell you anything and are created and maintained by gemlovers.

When pricing a stone, it is important to keep several things in mind:

- How rare is this stone?
- How much demand is there for this stone?

While it may seem that rarity drives price, this is often not the case. There are many beautiful stones that are much rarer than diamonds, but are quite cheap because they are less well known or are commonly mistaken for something less desirable (example: natural zircon).

- How fast do you want to sell?

There are rare gems dealers who sit on a stone for years, waiting for the right person to come along who love that particular gem. It may be because of an unusual size, colour, phenomenon, etc. There are others who will run from such stones, prefering a rapidly moving inventory. Museum especimens can be the worst: rare, large (often too large to wearable, which diminishes general appeal) and few collectors around.

- How much have similar stones sold for?

But be careful: similar is very similar! Often, a small change in colour or clarity can cause huge differences in prices. The Guide is a trade publication that lists recent prices for gemstones by category, weight and quality. However, judging quality is key: trying to sell an ok stone at the excellent price will usually result in frustration (or in tricking customers, whichh will usually destroy a business fast).

- Who am I selling to?

A retail seller will charge higher prices, because of the services included (nice point of sale, information, etc) and because they are the last link in the value chain (they have to cover all the previous expenses and margins). If you are selling to a retailer, expect to receive at the most (and usually less!) 30-40% of retail price. And so on down the chain, where the miner receives a fraction of the final cost of the stone.

 

[chrono]

Date: 7/7/2009 5:36:00 PM
Author: LovingDiamonds

Date: 7/7/2009 5:10:18 PM
Author: wazabi
Zultanite is a colour change stone !! It is a very beautiful stone ! 100% colour change for larger piece !!
Read this: http://www.gemstone.org/gem-by-gem/english/zultanite.html

quote : ''Zultanite displays a range of earthy hues and similar to the famous color change gem Alexandrite, it can change from kiwi greens in sunlight (candescent light) to raspberry purplish-pinks in candlelight (incandescent light)''

The size of Zultanite DOES NOT guarantee that you will have colour change or 100% colour change.

Can you tell me exactly what you''re trying to achieve with this thread? Are you trying to sell a large Zultanite? You appear to be searching the internet and then challenging people based on what you''ve read rather than experience?

This is true for all colour change and colour shift gemstones. It is not the size that determines that but the chemical composition of each individual stone.