Why on earth would they release Britney Spears

[lumpkin]

UCLA Medical center released her yesterday and already she''s stayed at a hotel, gone shopping, and reconnected with that pap boyfriend of hers, and been to that lawyer, Streisand. She''s no better off than she was, and with the paparrazzi swarm around her everywhere she drives (and that''s a whole other matter), someone is going to get hurt or killed. She has no comprehension of the severity of the situation. Honestly, how could she go from gravely disabled to releasable in less than a week?

I''m not that into the gossip and celebrity news, but this is a mess, and I''m actually outraged about it. My goodness, how many famous people have to die before they get a clue? How could UCLA Med Ctr release her against the advice of her psychiatrist and her father, who is one of her conservators? It makes me wonder what happens to un-famous people who have these types of problems.

I can''t believe the degeneration of human decency that anyone could or would be able to prey on someone like this, under the light of the media and everyone watching it happen, and get away with it. It''s as though someone cut the break lines in this runaway vehicle, and anyone who could do something about it just stands by watching and saying, "Well, will you look at that. Isn''t that something."

Am I the only one who finds this whole situation absolutely bewildering?

 

[perry]

Lumpkin:

Because.... here in the U.S. people have a right to totally mess up their lives and fail. It is an inate part of also having the right to really do well and succeed.

Fundamentally, if you take away the right to fail - you will also destroy the opportunity to succeed.

Here in the U.S. we have an opportunity to succeed beyond most peoples wildest dreams.... we also have the opportunity to fail beyond our worst nightmares.

While it hurts at times to see just what is going on... I also understand the ballance as well.

The Dr''s released her from the hospital because they could not hold her for medical reasons. If she acts at all in a sane manner then she has the personal right to check herself out of a hospital. Just as you also have a right to check yourself out and refuse treatment.

Holding her beyond her will - unless she is judged totally mentally not responsible (which has not happened) is considered kidnapping and not allowed in the U.S. How would you like it, and act, if you were held against your will becasue others said it was the best for you....

I hope for the best in this situation... but, understand if it does not happen.

Perry

 

[lumpkin]

You know, if I had the very public history that she does, yes, I would hope that my parents would have the ability to get me help and that the people who had the ability to give me that help would do it. At least if they could keep her for two full weeks, they might have a chance of regulating her medications so that when the two weeks was over she might actually be able to make a conscious, thoughtful choice on how to manage her life.

I''m not saying hold her for a year, but the two weeks she supposedly was going to be held for might have given her a head start. Maybe not, but maybe so. At the rate she gets admitted and then let go, she''ll probably never get the chance to find out.

 

[perry]

What difference does it make that she has a "public history." The same kind of things happens all the time with people who have "private histories."

The vast majority of people will really fight to maintain their own independence and the right to make their own decisions - and will fight anyone who tries to interfere with that. I am sure you would do the same.

This can be very difficult to deal with on a personal level as you watch your family members not accept help and make bad decisions.

It can be heart wrenching - and extremely frustrating - to put forth efforts to help and have them rejected. It can be very difficult to have a Dr test a person and declare that that person is mentally competent when you are watching them really mess up their lives.

I know - because these are the kinds of issues I have faced with trying to help as best I can my parents.

Yet, I understand their point of view. It is very easy to look from the outside of a situation and say... it would be best if...

From both a personal and societal standpoint I am far from sure of that. Would it be best if all of us allowed others to take away key freedoms and make decisions for us... I really doubt that.

Not only that; but I figure that Brittney has the best chance of really succeeding again if someone does not destroy her mental will by forcefully taking her rights away to make her own decisions.

Do I really want a dumbed down and meek Brittney in the future... a has been with no zip and no sparkle. Nope; and that is most likely what you will get if you take her rights away and force an outside solution on her.

Thus, I will hope for the best in this (and other situations) – and accept if it does not happen.

Perry

 

[lumpkin]

I see your point, I just don''t agree with it.

 

[Delster]

I''m afraid this has struck a nerve with me

I so often hear people express the desire that someone be medicated because of some perceived mental illness and oftentimes the symptoms seem to amount to nothing more than difficult or bizarre behaviour. I firmly believe that bad - and even catastrophic - life choices do not automatically mean that someone is mentally ill, and that we are simply too quick to medicalise distress. Britney may have nothing more wrong with her than that her life is just plain awful at the moment.

I''m not very familiar with the detention procedures in the States, but over here, even with the European Court of Human Rights looking over our shoulders, it remains relatively easy to section someone or to at least keep them in hospital on an ostensibly ''voluntary'' basis by threatening them with sectioning if they leave. I''m inclined to think that if Britney were genuinely seriously mentally ill she would be formally detained. And of course, if she is suffering from mental illness, I would hope that she would receive compassionate and effective care.

Perry, I think your thoughts on this are very wise.

I feel so sorry for Britney. And I agree with you Lumpkin, it is appalling for all this to be played out under the spotlights while the poor woman suffers.

 

[strmrdr]

most people are lucky if they get 24 hours in the hospital in such situations.

 

[Kaleigh]

Date: 2/7/2008 12:34:53 PM
Author: SanDiegoLady
Having worked in the setting, most psych holds are a minimum of 24 hours and a max of 72.

My opinion is that the people who are surrounding this immature young woman are out for one thing, $$$. CYA, and who cares about her as long as she continues to pay them. I believe these people are POISON for her, I believe they do NOT have her in their best interest. I believe she should be in a long term medical facility getting therapy AWAY from these people.

I believe she should get help, stay OUT of public view AND the media who hound her. She needs to get WELL, period. She needs to come back to a life of her OWN where she has butterflied into a healthy young lady, to a fresh new look, a new healthy view on her life and a future for herself. She needs to surround herself with healthy people who actually care, not the line of people who are currently using her... including her Mom who gets her paycheck from her daughter to the tune of what, several thousand dollars a month? What a joke.

I believe she feeds on attention out of her ''condition'', I believe she is ultimately lonely and I dont think she realizes at this point reality from fantasy. I believe she''s a good girl who has been led on a very destructive path by people who plainly don''t give a crap despite what they tell the paparazzi. It sickens me.

Ditto, well said.

 

[ljmorgan]

I for one feel that she SHOULD have been held longer. After reading the deposition given by her mother, I feel terrible for both Britney and her family. Her manager was literally grinding up pills to put in her food, drugging her, taking control of her financial assets, cutting the phone line in her home and hiding her cell phone chargers so that she could not make calls. I think her family is doing the right thing by trying to protect their daughter from someone who is obviously a huge threat to their daughter's life, and when she is being drugged she really cannot take those actions herself.

It's just a very sad situation overall.

 

[lumpkin]

Date: 2/7/2008 11:19:02 AM
Author: perry

What difference does it make that she has a ''public history.'' The same kind of things happens all the time with people who have ''private histories.''

Perry, I''ve been thinking about this part of your response because you are right that it shouldn''t make a difference if it''s a private or public history, so I''ve been trying to think about why it bothers me. I think it''s because it is SO public, SO well documented, and SO OBVIOUS to many people (IMHO) and that because she creates such a commotion everywhere she goes that it increases the odds that innocent people will be hurt. I can imagine the chaos causing a major accident where she might even get out of the car and walk away while 3 or 4 other carloads of people might end up dead or seriously injured. Her neighbors by now must have had it with the traffic and photographers. Do these other people have no rights? If nothing else, why can''t laws be passed that prevent paps from stalking private property by a much more significant distance than currently in place? It seems to me that there have to be some solutions to this. I realize that it''s a separate issue from keeping her in a facility.

 

[Delster]

Date: 2/7/2008 1:06:39 PM
Author: *Lindsey*
I for one feel that she SHOULD have been held longer. After reading the deposition given by her mother, I feel terrible for both Britney and her family. Her manager was literally grinding up pills to put in her food, drugging her, taking control of her financial assets, cutting the phone line in her home and hiding her cell phone chargers so that she could not make calls. I think her family is doing the right thing by trying to protect their daughter from someone who is obviously a huge threat to their daughter''s life, and when she is being drugged she really cannot take those actions herself.

It''s just a very sad situation overall.

But I don''t understand why someone drugging you etc means that you should be detained in a mental hospital? You don''t need to section someone to protect them from this kind of abuse.

SanDiegoLady - if only Britney had someone like you to look out for her, she might never have ended up in such a sad state...

 

[lumpkin]

Date: 2/7/2008 1:06:39 PM
Author: *Lindsey*
I for one feel that she SHOULD have been held longer. After reading the deposition given by her mother, I feel terrible for both Britney and her family. Her manager was literally grinding up pills to put in her food, drugging her, taking control of her financial assets, cutting the phone line in her home and hiding her cell phone chargers so that she could not make calls. I think her family is doing the right thing by trying to protect their daughter from someone who is obviously a huge threat to their daughter''s life, and when she is being drugged she really cannot take those actions herself.

It''s just a very sad situation overall.

You''ve said it so well. And it seems to be people who COULD help her don''t seem to be doing it. And it''s happening in front of the whole world, yet no one seems to be able to effectively step in and protect her.

SanDiegoLady -- I appreciate your articulate post as well.

 

[lumpkin]

Date: 2/7/2008 1:12:45 PM
Author: Delster

Date: 2/7/2008 1:06:39 PM
Author: *Lindsey*
I for one feel that she SHOULD have been held longer. After reading the deposition given by her mother, I feel terrible for both Britney and her family. Her manager was literally grinding up pills to put in her food, drugging her, taking control of her financial assets, cutting the phone line in her home and hiding her cell phone chargers so that she could not make calls. I think her family is doing the right thing by trying to protect their daughter from someone who is obviously a huge threat to their daughter''s life, and when she is being drugged she really cannot take those actions herself.

It''s just a very sad situation overall.

But I don''t understand why someone drugging you etc means that you should be detained in a mental hospital? You don''t need to section someone to protect them from this kind of abuse.

SanDiegoLady - if only Britney had someone like you to look out for her, she might never have ended up in such a sad state...

I would think they might do it to make sure they get her medications regulated. A lot of psychotropic drugs take time to get out of the system and they could be affecting her judgment even now?

 

[door knob solitaire]

We in America are all blessed we live in a country that someone or the government can''t just strip us of our rights without proper legal channels in place. That is what makes our freedom here and our liberty so different from other countries.

Opinions of the media or public or otherwise have no bearing on a persons freedom. Until a true MEDICAL diagnosis is made you or I and even MS. Spears have a right to be free.

I share your frustrations...and I agree with you Lumpkin. If only she were a minor child...we do take care of our children and intervene for them.

It is my opinion that I would like to add...everything you have heard or read has an underlying thread...that is selling the drama. Selling more papers...Making you stay tuned....we take hearsay and turn it into fact. If these people who cared really cared...you would only hear...I HAVE NO COMMENT. But even that quack Doctor guy is spewing information he never should have. He took a oath and yet the camera and publicity was more important to him. Everyone involved is in it for the juice. No one NOT EVEN THE PARENTS are separating themselves from the headlines, camera and flashes. To me that is the sad part.

 

[ljmorgan]

I agree being detained in a mental hospital is not ideal. When she was first admitted to hospital she was identified as a GD -- gravely disabled, which means they are unable to procure shelter, food, or make basic decisions. Obviously as the drugs wore off she improved, and they released her when she wasn''t a danger to herself anymore. I think that it''s a shame we don''t have a system that allows a seamless transition to further inpatient/outpatient help. I think to classify someone as unable to make basic decisions for themselves, and then to release them to the wolves in a matter of days is irresponsible.

It must be tough for parents of adult children who go through something like this!

 

[Allisonfaye]

Date: 2/7/2008 1:06:39 PM
Author: *Lindsey*
I for one feel that she SHOULD have been held longer. After reading the deposition given by her mother, I feel terrible for both Britney and her family. Her manager was literally grinding up pills to put in her food, drugging her, taking control of her financial assets, cutting the phone line in her home and hiding her cell phone chargers so that she could not make calls. I think her family is doing the right thing by trying to protect their daughter from someone who is obviously a huge threat to their daughter''s life, and when she is being drugged she really cannot take those actions herself.

It''s just a very sad situation overall.

I am sorry. I missed this part of the story. Is this a fact? Or just speculation?

 

[ljmorgan]

Allisonfaye here is Lynne Spear's Legal Declaration. I obviously can't attest that what she says is true, but this IS her real declaration to the court.

The following is the entirely of Lynne Spears' Declaration as part of the restraining order against Sam Lutfi, released today.

I, Lynne Spears, declare:

I am the mother of Britney Spears (“Britney”)., who is the subject of this action. I have personal knowledge of each of the facts set forth in this Declaration, and can testify completely thereto, except as this matters stated on information and belief, and as to such matters I believe them to be true.

This past Monday night (Jan. 2, Britney’s father, Jamie, and I (in separate cars) went to Britney’s house in Beverly Hills because we had heard news reports that Britney had just been in a big fight with Sam Lufti aka Sam Lufti (“sam”), the man who has inserted himself into my daughter’s life, home and finances, and that she was crying. We were very concerned about her safety. We arrived at the Summit Community gatehouse in BHPO at approximately 10 p.m. I was with my friend Jackie.

The guards at the gatehouse stopped us there for awhile. Jackie, Jamie and I finally proceeded to Britney’s house and entered it. We were able to enter the house because it was not locked. Britney does not lock her doors and currently there are no security guards around her residence. Britney was not home. We found Sam, and sam said as we walked in the door that Britney only wanted me to come to the house, and that she was afraid to see her dad.

Two or three paparazzi came into the house and entered the kitchen. They greeted Sam. The paparazzi then reported to Sam where Britney currently was. From the conversation between Sam and the paparazzi I determined that sam had given Felipe (another paparazzi) one of Britney’s cars to get her out of the house when he heard that Jamie and I were on our way to see Britney. I also understood from the conversation that Sam disabled all of Britney's cars. (she has several at her residence.)

Sam had told Britney that Jamie and I were coming to the house to do an intervention, and that Britney panicked and took off with Felipe. Another man named Chad Hardcastle was in the house.

I also heard the evening that Britney’s and Sam’s fight that evening, Sam had told Britney that she was an unfit mother, a piece of trash and a whore, that she cares more about Adnan, her current boyfriend, than she cares about her kids, and that she does not deserve her kids.

The paparazzi reported to Sam and addressed him with great respect. They treated him like a general. He instructed them to get her back to the house. They later told Sam that Britney was on her way back.

Britney then came back to the house with Adnan, who is also a paparazzi. Sam then told Jackie that we needed to do whatever he tells us. I objected. He then told me, “I’m the one who spends 24/7 with your daughter. I sleep in cars outside her house so she can’t leave.” Sam then said, “You people throw everyone under the bus, if you don’t listen to me I’m going to make your name sh** in the papers.”

As I looked around the kitchen, I noticed that in the middle of the kitchen table there was a large car battery. At some point during the evening I learned that the car battery was there so Sam could charge his cell phone. Although Britney has several cell phones, he told us that he had disposed of all of the phone chargers and had made the house phones unworkable.

Sam told Jackie and me to tell ADnan to leave Britney alone and to get the F*** out of the house. Jackie refused. Sam then said to tell Britney that Adnan is gay. Adnan stayed at the house a little longer. Sam quietly said something to Adnan and Adnan promptly left the house.

Britney came into the room looking for Adnan. Sam told her that Adnan was in the bathroom. Britney then asked me, “Is Adnan gay?” While Britney was out of earshot, Sam told Jackie and me that we should pretend that Adnan was in the bathroom so Britney wouldn’t leave.

Britney then became very agitated and could not stop moving. She cleaned the house. She changed her clothes many times. She also changed her three dogs’ clothes many times. Britney spoke to me in a tone and with the level of understanding of a very young girl. Britney then picked up a bottle of pill sand read part of the label and asked us, “What does insomnia mean?” Sam told her that the pills will help her stay awake.

Sam told Jackie and me that he grinds up Britney’s pills, which were on the counter and included Risperdol and Seroquel. He told us that he puts them in her food that that was the reason she had been quiet for the last three days (she had been sleeping.) He told us that the doctor who is treating her now is trying to get her into a sleep-induced coma so that they could then give her drugs to heal her brain.

Sam then encouraged us to sit down on a sofa and do “tequila shots.” Jackie and I said we did not want to. Britney seemed to follow our lead. Sam then got some wine out and said, “Let’s all do toasts with wine.” Britney said that she didn’t want to, she wanted a pretty glass. Sam found a glass with a stem and poured wine for Britney when we were not looking. Britney refused to drink her wine and asked to drink mine.

Shortly afterward, Sam went back into the kitchen and was standing behind a raised bar so that we could not see what his hands were doing on the counter. Sam then said to Britney, “let’s go upstairs,” and Britney followed him. Britney had calmed down by the time she went upstairs.

A little while later, Britney came downstairs. She seemed agitated again and told us that she wanted to go to Rite Aid for lipsticks. It was now past midnight. Jackie and I said we would take her. Sam told us that he wanted to follow us in his car. We told him that he shouldn’t because the paparazzi were in front of the neighbor’s house and would harass us. As were were about to drive off, Sam jumped into the bask seat of the car. The paparazzi followed. Sam and I were sitting in the back seat, with Chad as well. He told me that he gave Britney something (when they were upstairs) to make her more light-hearted, happy, and fun. We entered Rite Aid and Britney chose her lipstick. The manager said it is dangerous out there, which it was. When Britney gave the cashier her credit card, the cahsier told her it was not working. I paid for the lipstick and the manager told us we could leave through the side door so no one could see us. Sam insisted we leave through the front door and he put his arms around Britney and me for the paparazzi to take photos. I disengaged as quickly as I could.

Sam told me,” You’d better learn that I control everything. I control Howard Grossman, Britney’s business manger. I control her attorney's and the security guards at the gate. They don’t listen to Britney, they listen to me. That’s why Jamie was gone tonight.”

At another point in the evening, Sam bragged to me that he is the one who receives Britney's checks and that one of them was for me. I told Sam that I hadn't gotten any checks from Britney. Sam then told me that they are in his car. He told me that if he weren't in the house to give Britney her medicine, she would kill herself. Then he said to me "If you try to get rid of me, she'll be dead and I'll piss on her grave."

He then proclaimed that he has been in the family for a year and that he had one nothing but good for Britney. At this point, it was two or three in the morning. Britney was meandering around the house. She would let me hug her, but she was out of it.

At one point during the night, Sam was screaming at me and Britney said to me, “Sam treats me like that.” Then she picked up the house phone and said, “Look at the phone, it doesn’t work.” Sam then blamed the dead phone on Britney. Jackie spoke up and said to Sam, “You said you cut down the phone wire.”

Britney then said again at some point during the night, “When do I get to see my babies?” Sam answered, “Wednesday. “ Britney then said, “What do I have to do to see them?” Sam responded, “Take the pills I tell you to take.” Britney said, “I don’t like the pills and I don’t like the psychiatrist. Can’t I see another psychiatrist so I can see my babies?” Sam responded, “If I told you to take 10 pills a day, you should do what I tell you to see your babies.” Jackie then said, “Britney, your parents can help you find a psychiatrist. The psychiatrist needs to get to know you to give you the right medicine.” Sam then raised his voice and said, “Why don’t you get back with Kevin.”

Britney then said, “I’ll do anything to get them back.”

At some point during the evening, Sam said that Britney decided that he should be her manager.

Adnan has called me and told me he’s worried about Britney. He told me that Sam hides the phones and tells her he has lost them. He also hides her dog, London. She looks for him all over the house crying and then Sam brings the dog from the hiding place and acts like her savior.

While we were at Rite Aid, Britney went in and out of her British accent.

At 4 a.m., I was exhausted and wanted to leave. Sam blocked my car so I could not leave. I threatened to call Jamie on the phone.

Britney said, “I want my Daddy up here. I want to talk to my Daddy.” I reached Jamie on the phone and gave the phone to Britney. I heard her tell him that she wanted to see him. He said, “right now baby?” and she said, “no.” He said, “10:00 in the morning?” and she said, “no, noon.”

I spent the rest of the night at Britney’s house and for the first time in a very long time, when I lay down to sleep, I felt very agitated. I could not fall asleep at all. I felt like I had had coffee. Jackie, who had gone home earlier, later told me that she also could not sleep at all, and felt like she had had coffee.

Jamie came to pick me up the next morning. Jamie gave Britney a big hug and said to her, “baby, you’re OK?” Britney said, “I’m fine,” then burst into tears.

“To my knowledge, Britney never went to sleep that night and was very agitated for most of the night.

Sam and Chad, however, slept in the “smoking room,” a small room downstairs on the first floor of the house.

Later the next day, on January 29, Jackie showed me a text message she had received from Sam: “Thanks for telling Jamie all your bulls**t. He just hit me. Now you guys did your deed. Much accomplished. Good job.

I did not see Britney again until I arrived at her house on Wednesday night after Sam called me and told me to come to the house. When we arrived, Britney seemed subdued. The police arrived and took her to the Neuro Psychiatric Institute at UCLA (“NPI”). While at NPI, I l earned that Britney informed her doctor, Lee Sadja, MD, that she had also taken Aderol.

I declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of the State of California that the foregoing is true and correct. Executed on January 31, 2008 at Los Angeles, California.

 

[luckystar112]

Here's the way I see it.
I have never blamed her mother. I am the same age as Britney, and actually it kind of irks me that the mother is getting so much slack. Britney has been an adult for 8 years now. In my opinion it appears that Lynne is contantly trying to pick up the pieces for Britney...from the quickie marriage, to this. Please note that I am keeping the whole Jamie Lynne situation out of this, although it is also my personal opinion that that can't be blamed solely on the parents). I read Lynne's sworn testimony as well, and I'm pretty sure that she mentioned something about how she doesn'tmake any money off of Britney (when Sam Lutfi said that she had a check waiting for her in the car). So, I'd be interested to find out where people are getting this information when Lynne was pretty much forced (by Britney) out of her life for the last couple of years.

I can't blame Kevin Federline either. He has stepped up to the plate. I don't think anyone has mentioned him in this thread yet, but I see around other sites that people seem to think that meeting him is when she went downhill. I feel like he is a non-issue now. He is doing what he has to do. He's a good father, and he hasn't done ANYTHING to prove otherwise. Britney was a wild child before he even met her, and the fact that his ex can't say a word bad about him says a lot.

I think that Britney had a nice, normal childhood in Louisiana and even including her disney days. And the way I see it, the only thing that has changed is the amount of FAME that Britney has. That's not to say that you can't achieve fame early on and still have your head on straight like Hilary Duff or anyone else. But this is BRITNEY SPEARS. I cannot even IMAGINE being her. Waking up inthe morning and looking out your window to see 20 cars parked across the street just waiting for you to step foot out the door. This stalking will not stop if Britney moves to middle-of-nowhere Arkansas. You're forgetting ssomething...this is Britney Spears. There is a market for her everywhere in the world. New paps will be born, new users will enter her life. There is absolutely NO escape for this girl...period.


I actually feel bad that I am so obsessed with what is going on in her life. I AM one of those people who need my "Britney" fix every once in a while. I am contributing to making her life a living hell. I go to TMZ and see that they've got a live-stream video waiting for her to arrive to court, or for her to go to her house after she left the UCLA med center and it seriously makes me sick. I want to scream (like the weird guy) how about you stop exploiting her! Maybe you should just leave her alone for a second! But then I click again...I need to see what's going on...again. I'm essentially waiting for her to flip out.

Do I think she's crazy? No. I think that she has made friends with the paps because she figures like it or not, they will be in her life until the day she dies. I really hope that it isn't any time soon, for her poor sons' sake. I think that she flips out because she is trapped in this life where she never gets a second to herself. I think she does crazy things for the attention, because she is addicted to it. I also don't think that TMZ or Perez Hilton are the ultimate authority on determining whether or not this girl is mentaly ill. Even if Britney has seen a psychiatrist, patient confidentiality is something that is taken quite seriously.

I think everybody around her wants to exploit her (excluding her parents, who I believe love her very much and weren't quite sure what to do until now, because, again, Britney is an adult). Sam Lutfi, Adnan, old managers, her cousin Ali that you see everywhere...these are people who in the blink of an eye are selling their stories for a pretty penny. She lives a sad life. She literally cannot trust anyone.

When you're as big as Britney Spears, your life is no longer your own. And even in the beginning of her career, it was almost like by letting Britney pursue fame, some rights were taken away from the parents. She was no longer their daughter, she was a product. And when that fame took off there was no way for them to get it back. Britney was an adult by then. A very naive one with a ton of money. Not a good mix.

 

[zoebartlett]

Who are the people who are continuously talking to the media about whatever is going on? Who really knows what is truth versus what is just speculation? I can''t imagine living a life where my every move was photographed and written about. I have no idea what''s real or rumor in this case and it''s none of my business. I''m sure that the celebrity factor is interesting on some level but when cases like this get so out of hand and it''s hard to tell what to believe, it''s just sad. I think it was DKS who said that those involved should just say "no comment." So true.

 

[:)]

Date: 2/7/2008 10:29:45 AM
Author:lumpkin

I''m not that into the gossip and celebrity news, but this is a mess, and I''m actually outraged about it. My goodness, how many famous people have to die before they get a clue? How could UCLA Med Ctr release her against the advice of her psychiatrist and her father, who is one of her conservators? It makes me wonder what happens to un-famous people who have these types of problems.

Lumpkin, it is not the psychiatrist or the hospital that released her - it was the COURT system that ordered her release (and as you mentioned, against medical advice.) It happens quite commonly, and is often a source of frustration for psychiatrists - just as someone starts doing a little better in a stable environment, they are no longer a danger to self or others, and are thereby released. The courts are concerned about human rights/false imprisonment.

 

[diamondsrock]

I dont'' have much of an opinion on this except it is sad and shows that money can''t buy happiness. She has more than enough to live on and look what has become of her. It''s very upsetting, especially when you see pics of her years ago. So young and beautiful - she was a role model to little girls back then.
I believe that although some people (not all) have her best intentions at heart, she is an adult and has to make her own decisions. Seems like she has made very poor ones so far. If she truly has a mental illness, she has to want to get help. As far as avoiding the paparazzi, I don''t see her doing much in the way of laying low and staying home. She always seems to be out running some silly errand, surrounded by photographers. Why not just stay home for a while and have your assistant go out and buy your coffee? I don''t get it. I wonder if she thrives on the attentions she gets. She should get the help she needs, but unless she thinks she needs it, it probably isn''t going to happen because she is an adult, not a child, and has to make her own decisions. I really wish she would care about herself enough to stay in treatment.

 

[lumpkin]

Date: 2/8/2008 3:18:33 PM
Author:

Date: 2/7/2008 10:29:45 AM
Author:lumpkin

I''m not that into the gossip and celebrity news, but this is a mess, and I''m actually outraged about it. My goodness, how many famous people have to die before they get a clue? How could UCLA Med Ctr release her against the advice of her psychiatrist and her father, who is one of her conservators? It makes me wonder what happens to un-famous people who have these types of problems.

Lumpkin, it is not the psychiatrist or the hospital that released her - it was the COURT system that ordered her release (and as you mentioned, against medical advice.) It happens quite commonly, and is often a source of frustration for psychiatrists - just as someone starts doing a little better in a stable environment, they are no longer a danger to self or others, and are thereby released. The courts are concerned about human rights/false imprisonment.

Thank you for explaining that, because I honestly didn''t know. I just could not conceive how a hospital could turn away a patient. They wouldn''t turn away a patient for a physical ailment, and mental illness is still an ailment. I''m sure it could be argued that an adult can choose not to be hospitalized for a physical ailment, too, though. Again, thanks. This is the first post that pointed out who (what entity) exactly required her release.