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aljdewey|1387068675|3574398 said:Jon, I agree that people's tastes do vary.
That's why I was exceptionally careful to say that MRBs are boring to me, and not "MRBs are boring." I was careful to say they don't appeal to me, and not "they aren't appealing".
The fact that I like something or don't care for something is a singular opinion, not a put-down of others' preferences, and I was incredibly careful to make that distinction. It's a shame that you still missed it, but I'm glad most people got what I meant.
Yssie|1387083642|3574521 said:Some of us just genuinely prefer lower colours for aesthetic reasons, believe it or not!
aljdewey|1387068675|3574398 said:Jon, I agree that people's tastes do vary.
That's why I was exceptionally careful to say that MRBs are boring to me, and not "MRBs are boring." I was careful to say they don't appeal to me, and not "they aren't appealing".
The fact that I like something or don't care for something is a singular opinion, not a put-down of others' preferences, and I was incredibly careful to make that distinction. It's a shame that you still missed it, but I'm glad most people got what I meant.
bgray|1387133282|3574765 said:I just wanted to point out that the original posted question was "Why do people want whiter diamonds?" And not why a subset of people don't want them. The question was a general question that applies to most people shopping for diamonds. Certainly not all but the vast majority. We know this to be true based on the diamond market and industry as it exists today.
Wink|1386981717|3573927 said:Yssie|1386967979|3573812 said:Wink, I just have to say that THIS is how I finally understood what you meant by "crispness". That it isn't so much the presence or absence of the artifact itself, more how sudden the shift from one artifact to another is - so a "crisp" shift in behaviour between two adjacent facets should be a step-function, not a smoothed curve. I don't think I really understood until I started buying OECs and was able to see some examples of "non-crispness" greatly exaggerated... and it must be one of those things that once you see, you can't unsee!
Seeing this explicitly stated like this does make a lot of sense.
Yssie, I am so glad this helped. Especially for a prolific and knowledgeable poster like yourself. I felt the same way when Paul shared it with me.
Have a great weekend.
Wink
Pyramid|1387137961|3574808 said:bgray|1387133282|3574765 said:I just wanted to point out that the original posted question was "Why do people want whiter diamonds?" And not why a subset of people don't want them. The question was a general question that applies to most people shopping for diamonds. Certainly not all but the vast majority. We know this to be true based on the diamond market and industry as it exists today.
Because (in my opinion) people like white sparkles like driven snow, white glass, pure, crystal clear water, icecubes, like czs are supposed to immitate - the best diamond. They don't want
the look of snow after it has been trucked on by 200 people and is dirty and yellow. Now that is
how I see it.
I know for sure many here will disagree and say,
lower colored diamonds are romantic, in night light and sparkle different darker (seductive)colors from the pastel shades that a D color diamond does.
I would say the outcome is though that most people like brighter white as brighter is more cheerful and appeals to younger people more who have not developed an offshoot taste perhaps.
Diamonds in films, Tiffanys all adverts in my childhood have always looked bright and white, infact the adverts don't usually see shown any of the pastel colors of high color diamonds but usually just the bright white ie. in diamond drawings a diamond is white. That is the stereotype of diamond. Same way we don't see much advertising of colored diamonds because they are way more expensive in good stones and most cannot buy so have not been advertised to the general populace. The masses. The masses only know of white diamonds maybe.
I like colorless diamonds best but maybe I was brainwashed. I like to look at it from both sides as I do with everything, but still I like and love the brightness of the white best.
I see a diamond of J and below no matter what tone like dirty dishwashing water rather than a D which is the water and bubbles before the first plate is washed.
Used to be referred to on these boards years ago as pee colored.
I appreciate the term of antique lace though and love cream and new cream lace but antique lace to me is just dirty
Smith1942 said:I like really icy diamonds too, Pyramid, and possibly I'm "against" warmer diamonds for myself mainly because I've had a bad experience with my I coloured engagement ring (discussed earlier in the thread).
I have been very surprised to read in this thread and in a couple of others, recently, that icy diamonds are considered boring by some. My Ds and Es are very fiery and throw out the full colour spectrum of light, which dances against a pristine white background. So they are the embodiment of fire and ice, and they sparkle like the blazes. Imagine a fire burning on a frozen lake. Most people's reaction to them is something along the lines of, "Ohhhh, how lovely." I think if I called warm diamonds "boring" on here, I'd get eaten alive - not that I think they're boring. I could never think of any diamond as boring. But despite our "people vary" mantra, people feel very free to insult icy diamonds on here, which is why mine are currently so upset.![]()
Yssie|1387083642|3574521 said:bgray|1387063173|3574367 said:psychology. prestige. aesthetics. i dont think that there is really one reason. if one is looking for a stone and must "compromise" on color and clarity to stay within budget to get to the desired size then that implies that lower color and clarity are inferior. most people are looking for a certain size (carats)in the desired shape based on budget as the driving force. you never hear i want a D flawless stone I dont care what size it is. is there anyone that wouldnt take a D over a J if there was no price difference or budgetary constraints, all other things being equal?
Well... yes, there are people who would do exactly that.
I would.
Circe would.
Certainly the majority would agree that most settle for lower colours than they'd ideally prefer due to monetary constraints, but "most" is most certainly not "all". Some of us just genuinely prefer lower colours for aesthetic reasons, believe it or not!
Cue Kenny - people vary!
I tell them nothing about the stones and ask them to choose either the one they like the best or the one they like the least.This way they are actually buying the diamond not the paper.... Often, people will have chosen a diamond well below the color range they have asked me to show them. ... More often, my clients are relieved at having chosen the diamond they truly liked best, regardless of what the paper says. For what it is worth, more of my clients choose G, H, I colors than D, E, F colors.
Circe|1387143357|3574856 said:Smith1942 said:I like really icy diamonds too, Pyramid, and possibly I'm "against" warmer diamonds for myself mainly because I've had a bad experience with my I coloured engagement ring (discussed earlier in the thread).
I have been very surprised to read in this thread and in a couple of others, recently, that icy diamonds are considered boring by some. My Ds and Es are very fiery and throw out the full colour spectrum of light, which dances against a pristine white background. So they are the embodiment of fire and ice, and they sparkle like the blazes. Imagine a fire burning on a frozen lake. Most people's reaction to them is something along the lines of, "Ohhhh, how lovely." I think if I called warm diamonds "boring" on here, I'd get eaten alive - not that I think they're boring. I could never think of any diamond as boring. But despite our "people vary" mantra, people feel very free to insult icy diamonds on here, which is why mine are currently so upset.![]()
Smith, I'm sorry you're insulted ... could you maybe say more about why? I've seen warm diamonds associated with everything from dingy linen to dirty teeth to urine, and, that doesn't bother me, for whatever reason (possibly because so many of my choices are, ah, unorthodox that somebody disliking my diamonds is a drop in the big platinum bucket that is my life). And that's not to say my reaction is "right," just that I'd like to understand yours. You have the stones that ARE approved of by a huge majority, so why does little-league dissent - not even insults, as far as I recall, just a general "not my thing" - bother you? I hate to think of your poor diamonds dimming their shine in a strop!
bgray|1387133282|3574765 said:I just wanted to point out that the original posted question was "Why do people want whiter diamonds?" And not why a subset of people don't want them. The question was a general question that applies to most people shopping for diamonds. Certainly not all but the vast majority. We know this to be true based on the diamond market and industry as it exists today.
Smith1942|1387145008|3574873 said:Circe|1387143357|3574856 said:Smith1942 said:I like really icy diamonds too, Pyramid, and possibly I'm "against" warmer diamonds for myself mainly because I've had a bad experience with my I coloured engagement ring (discussed earlier in the thread).
I have been very surprised to read in this thread and in a couple of others, recently, that icy diamonds are considered boring by some. My Ds and Es are very fiery and throw out the full colour spectrum of light, which dances against a pristine white background. So they are the embodiment of fire and ice, and they sparkle like the blazes. Imagine a fire burning on a frozen lake. Most people's reaction to them is something along the lines of, "Ohhhh, how lovely." I think if I called warm diamonds "boring" on here, I'd get eaten alive - not that I think they're boring. I could never think of any diamond as boring. But despite our "people vary" mantra, people feel very free to insult icy diamonds on here, which is why mine are currently so upset.![]()
Smith, I'm sorry you're insulted ... could you maybe say more about why? I've seen warm diamonds associated with everything from dingy linen to dirty teeth to urine, and, that doesn't bother me, for whatever reason (possibly because so many of my choices are, ah, unorthodox that somebody disliking my diamonds is a drop in the big platinum bucket that is my life). And that's not to say my reaction is "right," just that I'd like to understand yours. You have the stones that ARE approved of by a huge majority, so why does little-league dissent - not even insults, as far as I recall, just a general "not my thing" - bother you? I hate to think of your poor diamonds dimming their shine in a strop!
Well, because they've been called boring and fake-looking - i.e. looking like CZ (in another recent thread.) I don't care, but they do. Their little eyes grew wider and wider, and they went a funny grey colour. One of them swallowed hard and whispered to me, "Mommy, I don't want to go to the GTG with all those people. They don't like us." And then they went and put themselves to bed, in the middle of the afternoon, and they haven't spoken since.
Circe|1387145222|3574875 said:Smith1942|1387145008|3574873 said:Circe|1387143357|3574856 said:Smith1942 said:I like really icy diamonds too, Pyramid, and possibly I'm "against" warmer diamonds for myself mainly because I've had a bad experience with my I coloured engagement ring (discussed earlier in the thread).
I have been very surprised to read in this thread and in a couple of others, recently, that icy diamonds are considered boring by some. My Ds and Es are very fiery and throw out the full colour spectrum of light, which dances against a pristine white background. So they are the embodiment of fire and ice, and they sparkle like the blazes. Imagine a fire burning on a frozen lake. Most people's reaction to them is something along the lines of, "Ohhhh, how lovely." I think if I called warm diamonds "boring" on here, I'd get eaten alive - not that I think they're boring. I could never think of any diamond as boring. But despite our "people vary" mantra, people feel very free to insult icy diamonds on here, which is why mine are currently so upset.![]()
Smith, I'm sorry you're insulted ... could you maybe say more about why? I've seen warm diamonds associated with everything from dingy linen to dirty teeth to urine, and, that doesn't bother me, for whatever reason (possibly because so many of my choices are, ah, unorthodox that somebody disliking my diamonds is a drop in the big platinum bucket that is my life). And that's not to say my reaction is "right," just that I'd like to understand yours. You have the stones that ARE approved of by a huge majority, so why does little-league dissent - not even insults, as far as I recall, just a general "not my thing" - bother you? I hate to think of your poor diamonds dimming their shine in a strop!
Well, because they've been called boring and fake-looking - i.e. looking like CZ (in another recent thread.) I don't care, but they do. Their little eyes grew wider and wider, and they went a funny grey colour. One of them swallowed hard and whispered to me, "Mommy, I don't want to go to the GTG with all those people. They don't like us." And then they went and put themselves to bed, in the middle of the afternoon, and they haven't spoken since.
Hee, well, you can reassure them that they're not alone - they make CZs in a variety of colors, I believe! So the same could be said of everything from warm diamonds to zircons to goodness only knows what else.
I DO think the biggest difference is in craftsmanship, when it comes to CZs vs. diamonds. A good setting? Almost (almost) inevitably signals quality. And since you shop the likes of Asprey ....![]()
bgray|1387145060|3574874 said:bgray|1387133282|3574765 said:I just wanted to point out that the original posted question was "Why do people want whiter diamonds?" And not why a subset of people don't want them. The question was a general question that applies to most people shopping for diamonds. Certainly not all but the vast majority. We know this to be true based on the diamond market and industry as it exists today.
and again i will repeat myself. ... the defensiveness from people who prefer other colors is unnecessary.
Smith1942|1387145482|3574878 said:Circe|1387145222|3574875 said:Smith1942|1387145008|3574873 said:Circe|1387143357|3574856 said:Smith1942 said:I like really icy diamonds too, Pyramid, and possibly I'm "against" warmer diamonds for myself mainly because I've had a bad experience with my I coloured engagement ring (discussed earlier in the thread).
I have been very surprised to read in this thread and in a couple of others, recently, that icy diamonds are considered boring by some. My Ds and Es are very fiery and throw out the full colour spectrum of light, which dances against a pristine white background. So they are the embodiment of fire and ice, and they sparkle like the blazes. Imagine a fire burning on a frozen lake. Most people's reaction to them is something along the lines of, "Ohhhh, how lovely." I think if I called warm diamonds "boring" on here, I'd get eaten alive - not that I think they're boring. I could never think of any diamond as boring. But despite our "people vary" mantra, people feel very free to insult icy diamonds on here, which is why mine are currently so upset.![]()
Smith, I'm sorry you're insulted ... could you maybe say more about why? I've seen warm diamonds associated with everything from dingy linen to dirty teeth to urine, and, that doesn't bother me, for whatever reason (possibly because so many of my choices are, ah, unorthodox that somebody disliking my diamonds is a drop in the big platinum bucket that is my life). And that's not to say my reaction is "right," just that I'd like to understand yours. You have the stones that ARE approved of by a huge majority, so why does little-league dissent - not even insults, as far as I recall, just a general "not my thing" - bother you? I hate to think of your poor diamonds dimming their shine in a strop!
Well, because they've been called boring and fake-looking - i.e. looking like CZ (in another recent thread.) I don't care, but they do. Their little eyes grew wider and wider, and they went a funny grey colour. One of them swallowed hard and whispered to me, "Mommy, I don't want to go to the GTG with all those people. They don't like us." And then they went and put themselves to bed, in the middle of the afternoon, and they haven't spoken since.
Hee, well, you can reassure them that they're not alone - they make CZs in a variety of colors, I believe! So the same could be said of everything from warm diamonds to zircons to goodness only knows what else.
I DO think the biggest difference is in craftsmanship, when it comes to CZs vs. diamonds. A good setting? Almost (almost) inevitably signals quality. And since you shop the likes of Asprey ....![]()
I just did an ETA above but will move it here since you were quick off the mark with your reply:
Nah, I'm not insulted, I don't care at all. I just think it's funny the way that people freely say negative things about icy diamonds on here and no one really says a thing, but if an icy diamond lover insulted the warmer stones - not that I have any urge to do so, as I think all diamonds are beautiful - I am sure there would be some very fiery responses! To put it another way, you can escape unscathed criticising icy diamonds here but you'd get verbally burnt if you tried that with warmer stones.
The things you repeat about warmer diamonds above are awful. I think they haven't been said here on PS though, have they?
Sadly, I don't really shop at Asprey. The only things I can afford in there are the silver pendant that I bought, and the silver compact, Which. Shall. Be. Mine.![]()
Circe|1387145658|3574879 said:bgray|1387145060|3574874 said:bgray|1387133282|3574765 said:I just wanted to point out that the original posted question was "Why do people want whiter diamonds?" And not why a subset of people don't want them. The question was a general question that applies to most people shopping for diamonds. Certainly not all but the vast majority. We know this to be true based on the diamond market and industry as it exists today.
and again i will repeat myself. ... the defensiveness from people who prefer other colors is unnecessary.
Well, yes and no. If they (we?) were just barreling in, it'd be odd and distracting. But since it's mostly been in response to people saying "Because the alternatives are icky," that seems relevant to the topic. Do people only want white diamonds because they don't want the others? If that's the case, why want diamonds at all? It's an interesting sociological issue! I say we delve as deeply as possible.
Let's try this: say why you (plural you) like the hue you like without comparing it to anything else. I like the J-M range because I appreciate the chameleon-like qualities, and because I think fire is affected, even if it's only incrementally, and I want the fieriest fiery stones I can get my grubby little hands on. I also find those hues to be in line with the cuts I like (also, oddly, also lend themselves to increased fire), and since that means antiques, it reinforces a general aesthetic preference for old things, making it in keeping with my general image, self-and-otherwise.
Anybody else wanna play?
Circe|1387145912|3574881 said:it's actually the ways in which they act as synechdoche for class and gender, and the conversations which they engender that I appreciate most. It's like my window onto navel-gazing without any of the guilt I get from academic or parenting boards.![]()
Wink said:What a lovely word. I pride myself on my usable vocabulary, and I admit this one sent me running to my dictionary to look up. (Well, actually I googled it, it is quicker!) Thank you for broadening my vocabulary today!
Wink
bgray said:Circe et al--I never made any negative remarks about non white and/or lower colored stones. I was merely commenting on the question posed. I also didnt think anyone was saying that people who liked warmer colored stones were posers and wannabees--or whatever that comment was. My own preferences ----I love super white diamonds in step cuts. They seem to demand to be super white because they are so angular and crisp. I don't like modern rounds. They look like CZ's to me especially when very white. I love OEC and mine cuts and I find that they look more antique and "right" in softer colors.