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Which of these three diamonds would you choose?

2 WFs look fine, if eyeclean choose by price - you won't see that diametre difference
GOG also looks fine, though I prefer the WFs, not sure if the hearts pic means it's being sold as a modified H&A - if so ask for hearts photo retake.

GOG is a G vs WF Hs, pricier, I believe their buyback policies are different - best to check upgrade/trade/buyback policies for both vendors

Long answer short - all look like they are pretty, sparkly stones.
 
Yssie|1293435931|2806793 said:
2 WFs look fine, if eyeclean choose by price - you won't see that diametre difference
GOG also looks fine, though I prefer the WFs, not sure if the hearts pic means it's being sold as a modified H&A - if so ask for hearts photo retake.

GOG is a G vs WF Hs, pricier, I believe their buyback policies are different - best to check upgrade/trade/buyback policies for both vendors

Long answer short - all look like they are pretty, sparkly stones.
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Thanks, Yssie! Which one are you saying you are not sure if it's being sold as a modified H&A - the GOG one? I figured each of the three stones were hearts and arrows since they all showed those pics - is that not always the case? They all came out with Excellent HCA scores, which is good right? I have had some bad diamond experiences in the past, so I really want to make sure I choose wisely this time!

ETA - I just looked at the GIA cert for the GOG stone and it says H&A under additional comments, and H&A is also inscribed on the diamond. The WF stones don't mention H&A, they just show the pics. Are those the stones I should ask if they are actually H&A?
 
kal2021|1293436373|2806795 said:
Yssie|1293435931|2806793 said:
2 WFs look fine, if eyeclean choose by price - you won't see that diametre difference
GOG also looks fine, though I prefer the WFs, not sure if the hearts pic means it's being sold as a modified H&A - if so ask for hearts photo retake.

GOG is a G vs WF Hs, pricier, I believe their buyback policies are different - best to check upgrade/trade/buyback policies for both vendors

Long answer short - all look like they are pretty, sparkly stones.
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Thanks, Yssie! Which one are you saying you are not sure if it's being sold as a modified H&A - the GOG one? I figured each of the three stones were hearts and arrows since they all showed those pics - is that not always the case? They all came out with Excellent HCA scores, which is good right? I have had some bad diamond experiences in the past, so I really want to make sure I choose wisely this time!

H&A stones must be precision-cut to show those hearts - it is an optical symmetry phenomenon. Well-cut stones that are graded high in cut by GIA/AGS may well not show a true hearts pattern, a H&A stone that has a nice hearts pattern may not optimize light return (though this is unusual as most manufacturers who invest the extra time and money in having branded H&As cut will also ensure they 'grade well'. To ensure a H&A stone (buying online) you want a photograph of the hearts to confirm.

You have ISs (the red pic w/ the black arrows, info here) - you don't need HCA. HCA is a blunt weeding tool that estimates performance based on four inputs, IS (and full sarin from GOG) tells you about all proportions/how they work together IRL.

ETA - I just looked at the GIA cert for the GOG stone and it says H&A under additional comments, and H&A is also inscribed on the diamond. The WF stones don't mention H&A, they just show the pics. Are those the stones I should ask if they are actually H&A?

GIA does not endorse inscriptions, etc. that are noted in the comments section. It's just telling you that someone, somewhere, inscribed H&A on the stone - could've been your next door neighbour for all they know (or care). To confirm H&A you want a hearts picture, or to look through a hearts viewer in person.

If you want a H&A stone you can buy from WF's ACA line or ask GOG about retaking that picture. You don't need H&A to get a pretty, sparkly stone.
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Thank you, this is very helpful! I guess I don't necessarily need a H&A stone, I just want something that is an EX/Ideal cut and super sparkly! I do like the look of H&A, but they don't have to be perfect, I guess, just as long as it shines like crazy. Which report on GOG is the full sarin that you mentioned?

Also, what do you think about this stone vs the others: http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/117/

Obviously it has more inclusions, but maybe they are "prongable"? Though I do have eagle eyes and hate seeing inclusions, so maybe this is too risky for me?
 
Found 3 more at a slightly higher price point. Does anyone think it would be worth it to go up in price for any of these, or are the original stones I was looking at "good enough"? I am afraid our budget will keep getting away from me, but I also don't want to miss out on something great!
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-dia...idnos=2219633,2561977,2372488,2517135,2269917
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-dia...idnos=2219633,2561977,2372488,2517135,2269917
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-dia...idnos=2219633,2561977,2372488,2517135,2269917
 
kal2021|1293439097|2806806 said:
Thank you, this is very helpful! I guess I don't necessarily need a H&A stone, I just want something that is an EX/Ideal cut and super sparkly! I do like the look of H&A, but they don't have to be perfect, I guess, just as long as it shines like crazy. Which report on GOG is the full sarin that you mentioned?

Also, what do you think about this stone vs the others: http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/117/

Obviously it has more inclusions, but maybe they are "prongable"? Though I do have eagle eyes and hate seeing inclusions, so maybe this is too risky for me?
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I think the individual inclusions might be prongable. But looking at where they are on the actual diamond, if they are visible to the naked eye and need to be covered up by prongs, I'm not sure how you can arrange the prongs to cover them. Any arrangement of prongs (short of 8 prongs) is going to leave you with prongs that are not eqi-distant, or an uncovered visible inclusion.


If you are looking for an eyeclean SI2 have you looked at Infinity? They seem to have a knack for cutting stones that are eyeclean with lower clarity. I can remember a couple of posters who have purchased I clarity diamonds from them that have one prongable, or white and not noticable inclusion. It might be worth it just to see what they have, if that's an option you are considering.

ETA: Okay, why did Infinity change their website. I used to be able to look up all the Infinity stones, regardless of location, and now it's gone all... fancy on me. If you can figure out how to navigate their site... it might be worth looking at. I looked at HPD and then gave up.
 
Thanks, ladies! I have confirmation from WF that both stones are Eye Clean and I just asked about the Hearts so we shall see!

I think I need to stay in the SI1 or better range since I stare at my diamonds endlessly and have eyes like a hawk. I went from eagle to hawk apparently - not sure which is better! ;)

What about the three more expensive stones I posted from WF - do you think they are worth the price increase from the original two WF stones?

Also, how does WF recognize that I am a Pricescope member and show me the discounted rate? Is it able to recognize that I am logged into Pricescope and so it adjusts accordingly?
 
Greetings kal,

Just reading this on my off time but yes ... the ones from us are eye clean and the Si2's inclusion is prongable.
 
One of the WF ones. I like a small table.
 
Rhino|1293484898|2807257 said:
Greetings kal,

Just reading this on my off time but yes ... the ones from us are eye clean and the Si2's inclusion is prongable.
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Hey Rhino, thanks for the response! I actually emailed your staff at [email protected] with a couple questions last night but haven't heard back (no biggie, though). My questions were in reference to the two stones I mentioned here:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/117/
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/7622/

In addition to asking if they were both eye clean (which you are saying they are), I also asked the following (maybe you can help me):

1. I would appreciate your opinion on which is a better stone overall (taking price, quality, and size into account).
2. On the SI1 diamond (#7622), the GIA report says H&A, and you have pictures of the Hearts and Arrows, but it is not listed in your title description as Hearts and Arrows like the other one is...so is it Hearts and Arrows by your standards?

Thanks so much - I am very impressed by your customer policies, so I would love to do business with you if I can find what I'm looking for. Also, do you accept trade ins on diamonds that were not bought from your store?
 
1. GOG won't be able to answer your questions in this thread, I believe, but hopefully Jon will see them and reply to your email soon.

2. You don't need picture-perfect hearts to get a stone that looks spectacular. So, is having H&A important to you, important enough to pay the premium? For some people it is, for some it is not, you need to decide. You may see the nuances in performance between the many stones you have chosen, but the H&As will not look universally 'better' than the non-H&As.

3. If the SI1s are eyeclean to your specifications (and be specific about your requirements, eyeclean from X distance from Y angles in most lighting conditions w/ 20/20 vision) paying for higher clarity gains you nothing. If you need a higher clarity for mind-clean reasons then the extra expenditure is well worth it.

4. Tell your vendor you are a PSer (they will most likely ask for your screen name)
 
Thanks to everyone for the answers to my questions - so helpful!

I just came across this Star 129 Diamond on Good Old Gold - I have no idea of the price but will ask. Has anyone every seen a Star 129 diamond in real life? I didn't know what it was until I googled it just now but it sounds pretty awesome! Are they usually more or less expensive than H&A stones?

http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/3613/
 
kal2021|1293499640|2807493 said:
Thanks to everyone for the answers to my questions - so helpful!

I just came across this Star 129 Diamond on Good Old Gold - I have no idea of the price but will ask. Has anyone every seen a Star 129 diamond in real life? I didn't know what it was until I googled it just now but it sounds pretty awesome! Are they usually more or less expensive than H&A stones?

http://goodoldgold.com/diamond/3613/
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I STRONGLY recommend you go out and look at these sorts of specialty extra-facet RBs IRL before you choose to purchase one. It is a very, very different look to a 'regular' rb, one that some love and others loathe, one that some love in certain sizes and loathe in others, and it would be a pity to find out you are of the latter opinion(s) after you purchase! In general these types with a ton of smaller facets will show twinkle aplenty but will be visibly lacking in big, bold flashes compared to a 57/58f RB.


They have a pretty steep premium but as a specialty branded type that is to be expected.
 
Thanks, Yssie, good to know. I figured they would be more expensive. I would love to see one IRL just for the fun of it!
 
kal2021|1293519973|2807724 said:
Thanks, Yssie, good to know. I figured they would be more expensive. I would love to see one IRL just for the fun of it!
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that one is 14k - click the "reserve diamond" button to see the price in your cart
 
Aw very cool - thanks for the tip!
 
Not sure why this stone missed ACA. Did you check with WF?

I am new to diamonds but the images and the numbers look pretty good. It scores 1.4 on the HCA and is a GIA Excellent cut in addition to being an AGS Ideal.

The Hearts and Arrows images look like it would qualify as an ACA. The arrows are aligned well.

On top of that, the Sarin numbers show that the pavilion angles and crown angles are cut with very small deviations (0.2% degrees!)

Perhaps, a PS expert can share their thoughts on this stone.
 
WF's policy is that you should not post the hearts image they sent to you for the ES stone. Blue Hearts image is to clearly differentiate between their 2 different cut grades.

There is a disjoint of the 2 halves of the hearts at the 2 o'clock heart.
 
kal2021|1293657923|2809214 said:
Yssie|1293435931|2806793 said:
2 WFs look fine, if eyeclean choose by price - you won't see that diametre difference
GOG also looks fine, though I prefer the WFs, not sure if the hearts pic means it's being sold as a modified H&A - if so ask for hearts photo retake.
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In reference to this stone: http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2270384.htm it is not being sold as a modified H&A. I was told it just barely missed the mark for WF's ACA stats. I asked them to do a hearts photo retake and this is what I got back:. Not sure why it is blue instead of red. Can anyone tell me what they think of it, keeping in mind it is not a "true" hearts and arrows stone according to WF standards?
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I meant retake of the GOG (modified H&A?) stone.

Ditto SC - best remove the ES hearts pic.
 
Oops! I had no idea I wasn't supposed to post it! I can't figure out how to take it off now, though, or to just delete the thread?!?!?!
 
hit the "report concern" button, mods will delete the pic for you, no need to ask to have the thread deleted.
 
Done. Thanks, Yssie!
 
NP - and fwiw I would choose that one, the 1.53 ;)) :sun:
 
Haha, ok cool, I appreciate it! :D
 
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