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  1. rabw
    Rough_Rock

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    by rabw » Apr 7, 2019
    Hello everyone, new here and new to diamonds in general until the last few weeks.

    I'm looking for a diamond for a special ring (;-)), have been reading up on the 4 C's and also the ideal proportions/angles.

    I have narrowed down my interest to two diamonds that seem on paper to me to be pretty good, both with GIA certificates. Could I ask for your informed input on what would be your preference and why? Would either be more likely to have more amazing fire/sparkle? Are there any red flags in the details below that I'm overlooking? Thank you.

    Diamond 1
    Measurements 5.00 - 5.04 x 3.11mm
    Carat Weight 0.48
    Color Grade F
    Clarity VVS2
    Cut Excellent
    Depth 61.90%
    Table 56%
    Crown Angle 35 deg
    Crown Height 15.50%
    Pavillion Angle 40.8 deg
    Pavillion Depth 43.00%
    Star Length 50%
    Lower Half 80%
    Girdle Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted, 3.5%
    Cutlet None
    Polish Excellent
    Symmetry Excellent
    Fluorescence None
    Characteristics Cloud, Surface Graining
    Picture Yes
    HCA 1.6

    Diamond 2
    Measurements 5.11 - 5.13 x 3.15mm
    Carat Weight 0.5
    Color Grade E
    Clarity VS1
    Cut Excellent
    Depth 61.50%
    Table 57%
    Crown Angle 34.5 deg
    Crown Height 15.00%
    Pavillion Angle 40.8 deg
    Pavillion Depth 43.00%
    Star Length 55%
    Lower Half 75%
    Girdle Medium, Faceted, 3.5%
    Cutlet None
    Polish Excellent
    Symmetry Excellent
    Fluorescence None
    Characteristics Feather
    Picture No
    HCA 1.4
     
    


    


  2. rabw
    Rough_Rock

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    by rabw » Apr 7, 2019
    This is the picture I have of Diamond 1, there is not one available of Diamond 2.

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  3. lovedogs
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    by lovedogs » Apr 7, 2019
    I wouldnt want to buy without an image or video. Numbers are promising for both, but the high color/clarity might be overkill. Is there a culltural reason for it? If not, you could most likely get a larger stone. What is your budget?
     
  4. rabw
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    by rabw » Apr 7, 2019
    These stones are about the same price, total cost inc ring/setting is approx £2000 inc VAT.

    There is no cultural reason, one just happened to have high clarity. I just waded through a few hundred stones listed and the GIA certs of promising ones and picked out what seemed to be the best. Then did the HCA test on them.

    Anything larger and she will think it’s impractical, however the best sparkle is obviously desirable.

    Where I’m buying from I can return for 30 days for a full refund if that influences what decision you would make? I think the angles of the 0.5 stone look a fraction better to me. There is also a video of the 0.48, looks fine to my fairly untrained eye but I don’t think you get a good real life representation.
     
    


    


  5. lovedogs
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    by lovedogs » Apr 7, 2019
    Ok, so she specifically requested a stone of this size? That's helpful to know.
     
  6. lovedogs
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    by lovedogs » Apr 7, 2019
    Do you have access to an ASET/IS image?
     
  7. kmoro
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    by kmoro » Apr 8, 2019
    Hey .... I get the not wanting to get something too big ... even though as I write that I feel funny because we are on PS ... but ... and I really hate to say this because I don’t want to be disrespectful of your needs and wants, have no idea about your fiancée etc .... BUT .... my earrings are .45 each .. and you know ... imo, that’s really small for an e-ring. Not crazy omg wth too small, but .... well ... I’ve had a bunch of e-rings come and go in my day, and I found that .50 just never quite cut it. I went to a .62 and those 12 points made all the difference to me ... maybe the size difference at that weight is more noticeable. You can see that I’m not exactly suggesting a huge leap ... I love the look of a dainty solitaire .... just ... maybe ... another ... 10-15 points?

    For the sake of asking one last time: ... are you sure she wants a diamond of that size? I mean, you only sort of said so ... “anything bigger and she would think it’s impractical” but ARE YOU SURE? ... lol.
     
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  8. lovedogs
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    by lovedogs » Apr 8, 2019
    Agreed. There's a major difference between .75/.65/.5 and I honestly feel like .5 is very small so unless she has tried on rings that were that size (and larger) I would recommend .65 or .75
     
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  9. TreeScientist
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    by TreeScientist » Apr 8, 2019
    Yep, this is another case where it bears asking the question: Have you asked her, EXPLICITLY, what size she wants? Or are you assuming she wants this size because you think it is what she wants?

    But let's keep in mind @kmoro and @lovedogs, the OP is located in the UK. Or at least, I'm assuming he is because he's quoting prices in GBP. The standard for diamond sizes is much smaller in the EU and UK (and pretty much everywhere else in the world other than maybe Singapore haha) compared to the USA. Here in Europe, you really don't see diamonds above .5 carats too often, so I'm guessing the OP wants to stick with the norms among his peers. Consider that a .5 carat in Europe is about the societal equivalent of a 1 carat in America, and that will give you an idea of where the OP is coming from. :)
     
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  10. kmoro
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    by kmoro » Apr 8, 2019
    The funny part about this ... the largest diamonds that I have ever seen in real life were on the hands of women from the UK (in Spain) .... but this aside, yes, it occurred to me too that the OP may be wanting to stay within EU norms ... ahhh, social considerations, lol
     
    


    


  11. OoohShiny
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    by OoohShiny » Apr 8, 2019
    I think a 0.65-0.75 would strike a good balance between not looking small but having a lot of 'presence' ;-) :))

    OP - what budget do you have? We can perhaps find you options.
     
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