What Do You Think? Round Brilliant-Should I? Or Shouldn't I

[Sparkle524]

So a vendor is thinking about bringing in this diamond for me. It's a 2.72 F VS1 GIA XXX. The table is larger than I requested but they said that it's still in the ideal range. I was wanting a table of 54 to 57 and the table is 58. After the analysis is completed I have 48 hours to make a decision. If there is nothing wrong with the diamond and I choose not to purchase it I would have to pay $200 to cover shipping & insurance back to the vendor.

Also, I saw the GIA of this diamond on Blue Nile before they even sent me an email. On BN it is listed for $68,044. The vendor told me that their prices are cheaper than Blue Nile but they said that the wire price would be $68,500 which is more expensive. Is the extra $500 for the analysis and do you think that this diamond is worth taking a look at and is it a good price? I can see this getting very expensive bringing in numerous diamonds to evaluate. Any thoughts/suggestions are greatly appreciated.

HCA 2.0 - worth buying if the price is right
Light return - Excellent
Fire - Very Good
Scintillation - Very Good
Spread - Very Good

 

[Sparkle524]

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[Gypsy]

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Okay. What does their analysis include for $500. I have no idea if it's worth it unless I know that. ASET, Idealscope, Sarin?

Also, why do you have 48 hours to make a decision. I hate arbitrary time tables. They are ridiculous. Take as much time as you need. You don't have a gun to your head. This is a HUGE purchase and the worst thing you can do is let anyone rush you.

 

[Sparkle524]

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Gypsy I totally agree with you. 48 hours really isn't a lot of time to decide on such a large purchase especially one that their company may or may not deem as a upgradeable. The company that I am dealing with is Whiteflash. I imagine it includes Idealscope, Sarin and Aset. I find it weird that their price is $500 more than Blue Nile when they said that their prices are cheaper than Blue Nile. I just don't know if it's worth it to bring it in. What if they say that there is nothing wrong with the diamond (ie. chip, light performance, etc) but they say that it doesn't qualify for the upgrade program? So if I purchase the diamond then that's it. I'm confused. You would think that they would give people a little more than 48 hours to decide since I am located in the same city as they are. I guess they only have 48 hours to keep the diamond before they have to pay for it. What do you guys think?

 

[Gypsy]

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Gypsy I totally agree with you. 48 hours really isn't a lot of time to decide on such a large purchase especially one that their company may or may not deem as a upgradeable. The company that I am dealing with is Whiteflash. I imagine it includes Idealscope, Sarin and Aset. I find it weird that their price is $500 more than Blue Nile when they said that their prices are cheaper than Blue Nile. I just don't know if it's worth it to bring it in. What if they say that there is nothing wrong with the diamond (ie. chip, light performance, etc) but they say that it doesn't qualify for the upgrade program? So if I purchase the diamond then that's it. I'm confused. You would think that they would give people a little more than 48 hours to decide since I am located in the same city as they are. I guess they only have 48 hours to keep the diamond before they have to pay for it. What do you guys think?

They have the diamond on hand and can't tell you if it qualifies for their upgrade program until AFTER you commit to buy? That's not okay.

What are your priorities related to cut quality, color, carat, and clarity.

Because it looks like you are trying to get high color and clarity for a slight trade off in performance. Is that intentional?

My thoughts--

What else is available in the size you want. Do you need F VS1 or mindclean, or is this just what you found in the size/budget combo you could live with?

If 500 includes the upgrade policy, then it's a good deal. But if it doesn't, not a good deal to me. That's my feeling.

 

[Sparkle524]

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Gypsy - they don't have the diamond in stock. They would have to ship it in so if there is nothing wrong with the diamond then I get charged $200 for shipping and insurance back to the vendor if I decide that I do not want it.

I told the vendor I would like a 2.5+ carat with AGS 000, table 54 to 57, depth 60 to 62, no fluorescence, crown angle 34 to 35, pavillion angle 40.6 to 41 with a budget of up to $65K. I want an ideal cut but with F color VS1/VS2 but they were not able to find any AGS 000 diamonds. So they came back with a GIA diamond that I listed. They were trying to go as large as possible while staying within my budget. I do not need a mind clean diamond.

The $500 does not guarantee the buy back/trade in policy. They will not know if the diamond is available for such a policy until they see the diamond. I don't really know why they are charging $500 more than Blue Nile for the same diamond. I am just guess that it is for the cost of the analysis and their time.

 

[Gypsy]

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Okay well. I think you need to consider expanding to a G VS2 stone and to tell them that 2.5 carats is enough, and that you'd rather have a 2.5 carat AGS0 with an upgrade policy than an F VS1 GIA that may not qualify for their upgrade policy.

I also think you need to ask them why exactly $500 is justified. ASET, SARIN and IDEAL SCOPE aren't enough to justify $500 in my opinion. If the diamond doesn't end up qualifying for an upgrade you should get a lower price. $250 over Blue Nile would be okay, IMO.

I also think that if you aren't in a hurry, you should wait until there is an AGS0 in your spec range.

 

[Amys Bling]

I'd ask about the 500 for sure

 

[Sparkle524]

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$500 seems way too high to me as I just had GOG evaluate a diamond for me for $200 and that includes shipping. Unfortunately that diamond did work out. It was not eye clean.

 

[Gypsy]

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$500 seems way too high to me as I just had GOG evaluate a diamond for me for $200 and that includes shipping. Unfortunately that diamond did work out. It was not eye clean.

The shipping does depend in part on the value of the stone. So this stone's shipping could have been much higher than yours as it is a 68K stone.

That said, if it includes an upgrade policy, worth it to me. If it doesn't I'd call another vendor (GOG was mentioned) and see what they say about getting it for you. BGD is local to you as well, if you want something local.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

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Okay, first of all, 58 is fine for the table. It is such a minute difference from 56 or 57 that you probably couldn't tell the difference. If you look at the diamond in my avatar, it is 58.

As far as AGS vs. GIA goes, the vast majority of diamonds go to GIA for grading, so it is not a surprise that there are more GIA candidates with your specs. GIA grading is fine.

In regard to price, diamonds can be priced hundreds or even thousands of dollars different across several vendors. I honestly think you will find it hard to find a vendor who will offer an upgrade policy on a $68k diamond in this economy. So I wouldn't let that be a big factor. You need to judge the diamond based on it's own merits. The analysis that WF does is enough to know if you want to buy the stone. We have seen thousands of magnified stone photos and idealscope images, and that is really all that is needed, other than inspection of inclusions with stones of lower clarity. But F VS1 is a very fine quality, so color and clarity will obviously not be an issue. You just need to see the stone and the idealscope. And I'd love to see it!

A far as the $500 goes, Blue Nile wouldn't even provide you with magnified photos or an idealscope, right? So with shipping and the other services that WF provides, I am not sure I find $500 more to be too out of line.

 

[Sparkle524]

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Gypsy and Diamondseeker - thank you for your input. As a newbie I am so clueless as to what is a fair price and what is not. I sent an email to WF to ask about the price difference and some other questions and we'll see what they come back with. If I choose to bring in the diamond from WF I will definitely post it here.

Diamondseeker I love your ring! The diamond is very beautiful. I had no idea that the table was 58%. All of the diamonds that I looked at on GOG was around 56% so I thought that was the primary goal.

 

[Sparkle524]

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Well I inquired about the price difference in an email and got a response but never a clarification as to why. They did say that they will bring it in at no cost to me though. I will see it next week.