shape
carat
color
clarity
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

What do you think about these rubys

Discussion in 'Colored Gemstones' started by tarte, Oct 11, 2018.

  1. tarte
    Rough_Rock

    Messages:
    19
    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2018
    by tarte » Oct 11, 2018
    Hello everyone, I would like to have your opinion on these rubys,

    What do you think ?
    Are they good qualities?
    Is the color good?
    Are they saturated?
    what do you think is the best ruby?
    Which one will you buy if you had to choose?

    I want to clarify that I do not want to buy (for the moment) it's just curiosity, do not pay attention to the two rings surrounded.The photo does not belong to me, I can not provide other photos.

    Forgive me for my English.

    I look forward to hearing from you:)
    ruby.jpg
     
  2. tarte
    Rough_Rock

    Messages:
    19
    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2018
    by tarte » Oct 11, 2018
    :confus::confus:
     
  3. chrono
    Super_Ideal_Rock

    Messages:
    36,539
    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2004
    by chrono » Oct 11, 2018
    Not enough to tell.

    I’d need proof of level of treatment
    Video under various lighting
    Proper independent lab memo
    Fluorescence preferred
    Better view of clarity

    I actually prefer the one on the lowest left
     
    lovedogs likes this.
  4. tarte
    Rough_Rock

    Messages:
    19
    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2018
    by tarte » Oct 11, 2018
    Thank you chrono,

    the certificate will be the choice for me (if I buy) although the rubies are certified, "what the seller tells me"

    The seller certifies me that they are all unheated (except one), all untreated as well.

    for fluorescence I have no idea.

    Regarding the photos / video is really frustrating but I have this one at the moment, because the seller told me that the rubies are not available immediately, they will be available for the month of November normally.
    I would ask him a video as soon as the rubies are available I would post it here if everything goes well.

    I have two questions now:

    What is the relationship between the level of fluorescence and the price of a ruby?
    What lighting condition would be able to be the most "fair" for a ruby?

    If I understand correctly you prefer the ruby on the index?
     
  5. chrono
    Super_Ideal_Rock

    Messages:
    36,539
    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2004
    by chrono » Oct 11, 2018
    Red fluoro can really amp up the colour when outdoors, hence my personal preference.

    Lab wise, I trust AGL the most. SSEF and a couple others are fine too.
     
    lovedogs likes this.
  6. tarte
    Rough_Rock

    Messages:
    19
    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2018
    by tarte » Oct 11, 2018
    I forgot something fundamental these are Burmese rubies
     
  7. lovedogs
    Ideal_Rock

    Messages:
    4,210
    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2014
    by lovedogs » Oct 11, 2018
    Agreed that we really can't help unless we know where certification came from, etc. Otherwise these could be something totally different (not rubies at all, flux rubies, etc).
     
  8. tarte
    Rough_Rock

    Messages:
    19
    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2018
    by tarte » Oct 11, 2018
    interestingly, I did not know for the red fluorescence,
    does fluo affect price?

    I think that the AGL laboratory is really well respected in the USA, but in France I do not see much at all, SSEF speaks to me more tha, GUBELIN. In France we have the French Laboratory of Gemology (LFG) which is trustworthy.
     
  9. tarte
    Rough_Rock

    Messages:
    19
    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2018
    by tarte » Oct 11, 2018
    @ lovedogs
    H
    I will wait until November to provide more information. From what the seller says, the stones are already certified, I do not know which certificate. For the moment, my only concern is to know if at the first impression the rubies are "beautiful".
     
  10. chrono
    Super_Ideal_Rock

    Messages:
    36,539
    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2004
    by chrono » Oct 11, 2018
    Does the seller provide a full refund regardless of reason?

    Is there a restocking fee?

    How long is your viewing period?
     
    lovedogs likes this.
  11. tarte
    Rough_Rock

    Messages:
    19
    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2018
    by tarte » Oct 11, 2018
    YES chrono, I can return the goods without problem for 90 days (3 months), without asking questions, without hassle.

    No restocking fees.

    I did not understand the last question, I have a little trouble with English.
     
  12. tarte
    Rough_Rock

    Messages:
    19
    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2018
    by tarte » Oct 11, 2018
    Anyway the rubies shown here are not available before the month of November, the exact date I do not know, if you can not help me more I understand because it is not easy to judge on a simple photo, so I will come back here with the photos / video, when they are actually available.
     
    lovedogs likes this.
  13. chrono
    Super_Ideal_Rock

    Messages:
    36,539
    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2004
    by chrono » Oct 11, 2018
    I definitely look forward to when you’re able to get more information!
     
  14. tarte
    Rough_Rock

    Messages:
    19
    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2018
    by tarte » Oct 11, 2018
    @chrono

    another question

    on what "light" (inside or outside) should the video be taken to display the stones in their most natural state possible without bling-bling, without cheating?
     
  15. chrono
    Super_Ideal_Rock

    Messages:
    36,539
    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2004
    by chrono » Oct 11, 2018
    Just regular lights that you might find yourself under often. Sunlight and whatever indoor lights you have. Let’s wait to see what he provides.
     
    lovedogs likes this.
  16. tarte
    Rough_Rock

    Messages:
    19
    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2018
    by tarte » Oct 11, 2018
    I will come back suddenly! I hope you help me ! Thank you chrono
     
    chrono likes this.
  17. peacechick
    Brilliant_Rock

    Messages:
    857
    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2013
    by peacechick » Oct 11, 2018
    The oval looks more glowy but also more included. I agree we need the lab report and better pictures. Ask for a video. Videos give you a lot of information.

    Bonne chance!
     
  18. Bron357
    Ideal_Rock

    Messages:
    2,140
    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2014
    by Bron357 » Oct 12, 2018
    648ED85B-46A9-473C-A0AB-0C70D6746933.jpeg 192F874B-B14C-4E76-B6FC-7992C97E43D2.jpeg Hi, I’ll just repeat the most important thing - having an appropriate and recognized Lab report, I’m assuming you are talking lots of $$$$$ or Euros so it’s essential you get what you pay for.
    A Swiss Lab or Gubelin report are highly regarded.
    Ruby prices change enormously depending upon treatment - an unheated certified Burmese origin is many thousands per carat yet a highly treated (ie glass filled, Beryllium infused) will look identical to the unaided eye but is worth 50 cents a carat.
    A Burmese ruby should show strong fluorescence in sunlight. It is the high chromium and low iron that makes Burmese rubies “glow” more so than rubies from other origins. It is this characteristic that is so highly revered.
    Unheated Burmese rubies can look “sleepy” or translucent due to the silk (rutile inclusions), the more “transparent” the higher the price.
    Burmese rubies value can vary greatly depending on assigned colour tone. Pigeon Blood Red is the top colour and most expensive (check Lotus Gemology they have an article on the colour tones of rubies) but I’d recommend buying the colour you prefer.
    The photos attached are to show what the fluorescence in sunlight looks like.
     
    lovedogs likes this.
  19. tarte
    Rough_Rock

    Messages:
    19
    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2018
    by tarte » Oct 12, 2018
    @peacechick

    Thank you for your opinion, are you talking about the oval that is surrounded ??

    I agree with you a video says a lot about stones (at least better than a photo).
     
  20. tarte
    Rough_Rock

    Messages:
    19
    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2018
    by tarte » Oct 12, 2018
    @Bron357
    Wow you have provided me a lot of very useful information, a Burmese ruby should emit a florescent light in the sun I'm happy to learn, I will ask the seller a video outside and inside

    Regarding the certificate I hope to get a certificate SSEF, or GUBELIN, if it is not the case I will return to this forum to ask if the certificate provided is reliable is deemed.

    I do not care too much if the color of the Ruby is "vivid Red pigeon Blood" for me this name is not rational, why the pigeons would have a blood more alive than the others? lol


    thank you for teaching me new things,

    your ruby is beautiful very bright very fluo too.
     
  21. tarte
    Rough_Rock

    Messages:
    19
    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2018
    by tarte » Oct 12, 2018
    Good news the seller told me he gets the goods much sooner, I really happy8-)
     
  22. Bron357
    Ideal_Rock

    Messages:
    2,140
    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2014
    by Bron357 » Oct 12, 2018
    The colour “pigeon red” actually refers to the red ring that is around their eye, not their actual blood. And while many vendors use the colour description wording in their advertising, unless you have a GRS Swiss lab report or similiar actually expressing their learned opinion that the tone is that, it’s just words.
    Colour is subjective in any regard, some prefer the “stop light red” or the even “dark red”. The ruby colour tone can be influenced by either a purple or orange undertone.
    And if you can, ask the vendor for a video (videos) in outside natural sunlight, outside in the shade, inside under incandescent light and inside fluorescence light ie office type lighting. The ruby will look different depending on the lighting conditions. It is important to note that jewellery stores normally have specialized (and expensive) lighting so as to show off their gems and jewellery to perfectionn, however you don’t have those types of fancy lights at home or in an ordinary office. So it can be rather disappointing / a let down once you get your new ring home.
    Buying an unheated Burmese ruby of many carats is a significant purchase so do read up and use the Internet for research.
    We aren’t necessarily “experts”, we are mostly knowledgeable and experienced consumers who are happy to share.
     
    voce likes this.
  23. tarte
    Rough_Rock

    Messages:
    19
    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2018
    by tarte » Oct 12, 2018
    You are not an expert but I learn a lot of thanks for that, concerning the pigeon blood rubies this was a joke I would obviously be delighted to get a vivid Red Blood pigeon bloody Ruby but it is very subjective as you say I did not do my research before even creating an account on periscope, but I remain a novice in the matter fortunately that there are charitable souls like you to help others, I noted the positions that the seller will take for photos / video I will do it for him, anyway I buy nothing so that I do not see with my own eyes a clear video without cheating (bombarding with light).
     
  24. tarte
    Rough_Rock

    Messages:
    19
    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2018
    by tarte » Oct 12, 2018
    @Bron357

    Sorry, the French to English translation is bad.
     
  25. peacechick
    Brilliant_Rock

    Messages:
    857
    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2013
    by peacechick » Oct 12, 2018
    Never mind what I said, I was confused. Let’s wait for the video and we will help you choose!
     
  26. chrono
    Super_Ideal_Rock

    Messages:
    36,539
    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2004
    by chrono » Oct 12, 2018
    A word about Burmese rubies
    Myanmar is a large country with various mines. There are both gorgeous and not so nice looking rubies coming out of Myanmar so I wouldn't put too much stock in the fact that it is Burmese but look at each ruby on its own merit.

    I am not familiar with the vendor but stones look really bright in Asia due to the amount of strong sunlight the region is blessed with. These stones often do not look as nice in cloudier EU.
     
    voce likes this.
  27. tarte
    Rough_Rock

    Messages:
    19
    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2018
    by tarte » Oct 12, 2018
    OK, thanks
     
  28. tarte
    Rough_Rock

    Messages:
    19
    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2018
    by tarte » Oct 12, 2018
    So we must also take the geographical position into account, I do not pretend to say that it's stone are beautiful, I'm waiting to see myself what it will come out. I think it's better to wait to see the video (s)
     
  29. lambskin
    Brilliant_Rock

    Messages:
    1,526
    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2012
    by lambskin » Oct 12, 2018
    I would not buy without a report. Or, I would want a 100% return policy to allow time to get the gems evaluated. Buyer beware!
     
  30. tarte
    Rough_Rock

    Messages:
    19
    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2018
    by tarte » Oct 12, 2018
    there is a report of gemology, there is a return of 3 months without hassle,

    What do you mean by beware of the buyer ??
     

Share This Page