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Lal

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Hello,

This has been such a great forum for me to learn and ask questions. I hope to get some input on my next "challenge".

I''ve been wanting to get a custom job for a setting on my engagement ring. I approached a local jeweller and told him specifically what I wanted. Basically, I wanted a thin band and I wanted the melee stones to be micro-claw set. I wanted the prongs to be as minimal as possible. He said that this could be done.

I did get to see the wax and the wax mold seemed ok but difficult to visualize. I told him to go ahead.

I saw the final product today. The setting is beautiful, but it isn''t what *I* wanted. None of the melee stones are in a micro-claw setting- they seem to be pave set. Also, my center stone has the largest prongs I''ve ever seen-basically my RB stone now looks square and each of the prongs don''t look "consistent". I wasn''t able to speak directly to the jeweller today but when asking some of the staff, they said that it could not be changed because it would not hold my stone securely. Is this really true? I had my center stone (0.88 ct) set in a simple tiffany style solitaire setting before and the prongs were pointed and fairly minimal. The prongs that are currently on the custom job almost look like a big triangle thus now making my center stone look like a square (hopefully this makes some sort of sense).

Also, the way that the side stone directly beside the center stone are currently set seems to be tension set so there is now a "metal bar" between the center stone and the stone directly beside it. I realize that I should have said something when the wax was done so that is my fault but now that I''m seeing the final product, I''m really not happy with the way it looks. I don''t know if it is even reasonable for me to mention that this aspect of the ring was not something that I like. When we had discussed the ring prior to making the wax, this aspect was not even mentioned and the jeweller just had that part added in. When I saw the wax, I guess I was overwhelmed but in retrospect I should have given myself a few days to think about the design before telling me to go ahead.

I haven''t paid anything for the setting yet (the center stone is mine). I don''t know how to approach this issue. I feel badly because so much work has gone into this but the end product was not what I initially described to him. When I described him what I wanted, he didn''t write any of my thoughts down and I think this probably contributed to the problem. I wish that I had written everything down for him but I also feel that it is the responsibility of the jeweller to *listen* to their customers. I am not a type of person to complain to the jeweller since I feel badly expressing my feelings- I don''t want to hurt anyone''s feelings since a lot of work has gone into this. I just don''t know how I''m going to feel if I do pay for this and feel like this just wasn''t what I wanted in the first place.
 
Good question. I will try to give it a shot. First, there is responsibility on both sides, but bottom line is that you have to please a customer. We have all had a customer who complains just because they are negative or changes their mind and then wants to blame the jeweler. Sometimes the jeweler is just on a different wave length. More often than not, a jeweler is doing a task that is slightly out of what they are good at and it does not meet your expectations. You can take a very high level chef and ask him to make you a taco, and it just does not taste right. Ever been on vacation and try to explain to a bar tender how to make your favorite drink and it never tastes like how you order it where you live? Difference is that with a meal or a drink, you are more likely to just pay and chalk it up to experience. With jewelry, there is more to it.
The wax approval is a way to see things, but not all can be seen at that point. If you were specific about what you wanted, and did not get it, the jeweler should make it right or be smart enough to walk the business to someone who makes that type of design. Fairly, if they did a lot of work, and just a misunderstanding on how it was supposed to look, sometimes a customer will eat the new wax charge and the jeweler will eat the labor or something along that line.
Most of us have done enough projects to make sure that your situation does not happen often, but with any type of creation, dinner or jewelry, there will be snags.
A wise person once told me it is not how often you mess up but how you handle it that defines your character.
 
I was fairly surprised at how the final design looked since I pretty much told the jeweller that I wanted the exact same ring design as a certain designer with a few changes in terms of the side view of the ring.

In terms of the wax, there was no way that I could tell at that point whether or not it would be micro claw on the melee. I asked him again if micro claw would be set and he confirmed that it would be. Now that it is finished, this isn't what I was expecting.

Does anyone have any comments on the prongs? As I mentioned, the final product has HUGE prongs on the center stone. I specifically asked that the prongs be minimized as much as possible without losing security. The staff say that this CAN'T be changed since this would reduce the security of hte stone. Is this really true? My stone used to be set in a Tiffany style solitaire and I liked the prongs on that ring and I even pointed it out to the jeweller that I wanted prongs similar to my old setting.
 
It seems to me that if you did explicity ask for micro claws, then the jeweler should make it right. Regarding the giant prong issue, if you would post a picture we could weigh in. Once you speak with the guy directly and share your unhappiness with him directly, this thread may be moot.

I've only had one custom ring made, and the wonderful man who made it emphasized over and over that it was easy to alter the wax, or scrap it completely and start over again, and made sure that all of my concerns were addressed pre-casting. We both drew sketches (his lovely, mine not so much) of what we were discussing.

You did give the go ahead on a wax that you seem to have been just "okay" with. On the other hand, it sounds like he did not incorporate some of your specific requests. I would give him the benefit of the doubt at this point, make an appointment to sit down and discuss your concerns, and then go from there. Good luck!
 
I'd love to post a picture but the ring is sitting at the jeweller's. We haven't paid for the setting yet but I popped in today to look at it since I was excited to see what the end result was.

I think we will try to discuss our concerns with the jeweller. I just really hope that it goes well- it's not my intention to be an unhappy customer. I guess I'm also just a bit upset with how the whole custom design process went. I felt like I specifically asked for a lot of things but he wasn't thorough in making sure that I got what I asked for. He also didn't write these things down...so when I go back to ask about it, there isn't any written documentation. When showing me the wax, I saw it for a few minutes but he didn't make any comments about what the end result was going to look like or point out any changes.

Anyway, I will post a follow up about how things go.
 
Well, for something as special as your e-ring, you want it to be just so! You know, when I decided to go custom for my ring (for a sapphire we bought in Thailand) I heard a lot of horror stories. I discussed my concerns with my guy, and it seems that most problems stem from the difficulty in turning a vision in someone's head into a tangible piece, via yet another person. Hopefully, your jeweler will want to make you happy, so that you will in turn spread the good word about him. You deserve to have the ring you want. Good luck, keep us posted.
 
Lal,
It seems that you only have two objections to this ring. The size of the prongs on the center stone and the mellee having been bead set rather than with micro claws. The prongs holding the center can generally be trimmed to whatever width that you would prefer. I'm not sure what the mellee setting looks like, but if the beads holding the mellee are large enough they can probably be trimmed to the claw shape that you prefer. All of this work takes time and costs money, but it's your ring and your jeweler should be willing to make it to your vision even if it costs them a little extra. The problems that you have with this ring sound very fixable and I think that if you express how you are thinking to the person who is resposible for the work that they will be very happy to oblige you. The one thing that you NEED to do is to be VERY SPECIFIC on what changes you want and what will make you happy. A happy client is better advertising than anything else and if you approach this in a positive manner I think that you will be pleased with the outcome.
 
Lal,




If you are as particular as ME and have giving detail design/style to your jeweler, then you should get what YOU want. I just went thru designing my own e-ring and my jeweler picked up right away that i'm a detail freak. He was worried that I might not take the ring if it didn't turn out to be what "I" wanted. And he is right about that. Fortunately, I'm happy with the end product. (Sorry, can't post any pics because b/f is hiding it from me!!
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) Knowing how picky I am, I went ahead to draw up pictures of my ring for my jeweler to follow and I even used some of his rings in the store to show him examples of what I want. Then I asked him to draw a pic of the ring i just describe to him and see if his interpretation is the same as mine. It took some time and energy to do some homework, but it was worth it.




Most jewelers are there to provide you with a service / to make customers happy & satisfied and that is their job to make sure you get want you ask for. There is no reason for you to feel bad about letting him know that this ring isn't want you described . I didn't even get to see a wax setting of my setting! I would think it might be hard to see all the details on a wax ring. Anyhow, I wish you would just tell him/her the truth and not have to live with something you are not happy with for the rest of your life.




Good luck....
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I want to thank everyone for the support and suggestions so far.

Michael_E: You're right that my main issues with the ring that I had specifically asked for was the large prongs on the center stone and the change from micro-claws to pave. Thank you for pointing out how the changes could be done. Unfortunately, I also wasn't too fond of the metal "bars" that hold one side stone on each side of the center stone in a tension type setting (the rest of the melee are pave set). I know that I must take some responsibility for that part since I saw that in the wax setting but just couldn't visualize the impact of those bars on the whole look. What I really wanted was all of the melee stones to be microclaw set. He had a ring design in the store from a designer and I told him that I wanted the ring to look EXACTLY like that (from the top view) except to make changes in the side profile. I guess I thought nothing could go wrong since he pretty much had the ring model in his store. Anyway, I'm afraid to also mention how I'm not too happy with the look of the metal bars... do you think this could easily be changed to claw setting? I'd hate to have the store go through the trouble of making a whole new ring.

firerock: I was starting to feel badly about being so picky. I guess I feel like this is such an important (and expensive) purchase that I wanted everything to be perfect. Even when I was describing what I wanted in the custom job to the jeweller, I thought I was being too picky (and feeling guilty about it). I think that's partly why when I saw the wax (and was surprised to see the "bars") I said to the jeweller to go ahead because I thought that I should have faith in the end product. I wish that we could have talked about the design in greater detail and really discussed how the final product would be and the impact of the changes made in the wax compared to what we had initially discussed.
 
Lal,




From what i heard, the center area of an e-ring can be changed easily to different kind of prongs to accommodate different shapes of center stones. So from that... i assume it's fairly simple for them to do. I'm sure there are exceptions for a unique design where is unchangable. Before going back to this jeweller, find some pictures of your ring design and show him what it's supposed to look like and ask him can he make it. And that includes for making a brand new wax setting. It is a large/expensive purchase, you want to get what you pay for and be happy with it and wear it proudly. There is nothing wrong with being picky when it comes to YOUR ring.
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Hi there,

I thought I'd post an update to my original post. We went to talk to the jeweller last week and he was very accomodating in making the changes. Fortunately, the changes could be made without redoing the entire ring. We picked up the ring a few days ago and it looks much better and more in line with my original thoughts. Basically, the following changes were made- 1) prongs on center stone were trimmed to look more rounded and less bulky 2) metal "bar" that is holding a stone through tension setting was filed in the middle so that the two ends now look like prongs. Although everything was fixed, I think this was a good learning experience. Thank you to everyone for the support.


I'd like to post pics but our digital camera isn't able to focus upclose. We'll try to fiddle with it a bit more and then we'll post
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Lal
 
I was just going to say... don't just tell us the ring is better... let us SEE it.
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ok, ok, i'll wait patiently... since I'm so good at WAITING.
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It is too bad that you weren't able to see a rendering of the ring in addition to the wax before authorizing the order, that might have helped you visualize the final creation. We're glad to hear that the jeweler was able to make the changes that you desired easily so that you get what you want and both of you can be happy
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OK, I'm going to upload the pics to the "show me the ring" forum shortly....
 
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