I haven''t seen any television coverage of it. As I have said here before, we rarely turn on the television. I might have put it on to see what is happening at Virginia Tech, but my husband wouldn''t approve because we have a child...and she is the reason we unplugged in the first place. But I will go over to Hangout and read more.Date: 4/16/2007 4:31:30 PM
Author: fire&ice
We''ve been talking about it in Hangout.
It''s truly unimaginable. I am very angry that the network news is now trying to disect and second quess the response by police, etc. This is Blacksburg, VA. It''s rural. It truly is an unimaginable crime.
As an alum, you would be amazed at what my male friends had on hand. You are also talking about a student body that contains a Corps of Cadets... our military''s future soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen. Their dorms are a mere block from where the largest incident occured. Now of course it takes someone being in the right place at the right time, but from most of the accounts I have heard (from the media and second hand) things happened so fast all you could do was hide and pray.Date: 4/16/2007 7:04:45 PM
Author: strmrdr
too bad there wasnt someone there with a gun to stop it :{
Because they are not crazy enough to violate their right - which the righrt extends to VERY few on a college campus.Date: 4/17/2007 9:16:45 AM
Author: njc
As an alum, you would be amazed at what my male friends had on hand. You are also talking about a student body that contains a Corps of Cadets... our military''s future soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen. Their dorms are a mere block from where the largest incident occured. Now of course it takes someone being in the right place at the right time, but from most of the accounts I have heard (from the media and second hand) things happened so fast all you could do was hide and pray.Date: 4/16/2007 7:04:45 PM
Author: strmrdr
too bad there wasnt someone there with a gun to stop it :{
the university has ruled that anyone with a gun on campus will get expelled even CCW holders are not allowed to carry.Date: 4/17/2007 9:16:45 AM
Author: njc
As an alum, you would be amazed at what my male friends had on hand. You are also talking about a student body that contains a Corps of Cadets... our military's future soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen. Their dorms are a mere block from where the largest incident occured. Now of course it takes someone being in the right place at the right time, but from most of the accounts I have heard (from the media and second hand) things happened so fast all you could do was hide and pray.Date: 4/16/2007 7:04:45 PM
Author: strmrdr
too bad there wasnt someone there with a gun to stop it :{
yea like he didn''t violate several dozen laws and outlawing drugs really works too.Date: 4/17/2007 10:00:25 AM
Author: fire&ice
Because they are not crazy enough to violate their right - which the righrt extends to VERY few on a college campus.Date: 4/17/2007 9:16:45 AM
Author: njc
As an alum, you would be amazed at what my male friends had on hand. You are also talking about a student body that contains a Corps of Cadets... our military''s future soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen. Their dorms are a mere block from where the largest incident occured. Now of course it takes someone being in the right place at the right time, but from most of the accounts I have heard (from the media and second hand) things happened so fast all you could do was hide and pray.Date: 4/16/2007 7:04:45 PM
Author: strmrdr
too bad there wasnt someone there with a gun to stop it :{
I still believe this is CLEARLY a case of easy to get weaponS. Evidently, we now extend that right to NON citizens. Shaved off serial numbers. 2 guns (9mm 22mm or two 9mm) modified for semi auto. Yep, let''s not change the guns laws.They are just PERFECT as they are. While most of the rumors I heard have been confirmed, I''ll throw out one more. The guy knew guns. He knew how to shoot to kill. The guy had a chain to ''lock'' the door. Must have given it some thought. Yep, the perfect candidate to have a gun.
And, initially the police thought the dorm killing was a murder/suicide from initial information. I''d love to see all these ''pundints'' reactions in the heat of this tradegy starting at 7 in the morning.
He was a student... a senior majoring in English that lived in a nearby dorm. He was a native from South Korea living in Centreville, VA as a resident alien. The guns he carried have been comfirmed as the weapons in both shootings, but he has yet to be comfirmed as the shooter in both. I feel it is only a matter of time before this happens. I have stopped watching/reading the media and am now just reading the press releases from the university.Date: 4/17/2007 10:40:11 AM
Author: diamondfan
He killed his girlfriend and the RA who tried to help her. I have heard he was NOT a student and that there might be another shooter. Not too sure. But, they assumed he left the campus? 2600 acres and they assume he just left? No cameras, no way to verify, and they just assume that he left the area? And think of the people he must have encountered as he walked to the other building...he clearly wanted to get into that building though, since had he shown his guns on the way, he might have been stopped before getting there. He had chains to lock the doors and had a systematic approach. The minute the cops broke down the doors he killed himself, so he clearly did not want to get arrested...who knows what started this, but we all know how it ended.
Diamond - I think you are trying to say an incident earlier correct? That actually was not on campus. It happened in the hospital and along a trail that connects the area the hospital is in to the far, far, FAR edge of campus (at least a mile if not 2 from the heart of campus with nothing but a visitor center near it). I want to say the trail 10 miles long or something like that... not super close by. They had information that gunmen had already killed 2 and was headed in the direction of campus (either that or a HUGE cow field... there is nothing else out thereDate: 4/17/2007 3:44:00 PM
Author: diamondfan
Fire, all I am saying is that considering they had an incident on campus this year with guns, they should have notified the campus. Students were unaware and walking around. There could have been 2 or 3 gunmen, why would you not alert the school so that people knew what was going on? I am saying I would make NO assumptions about it, but get the word out as soon as possible to safeguard others.
Wow - and all I had was a rolly eye! Didn''t think it would be helpful and gave up.Date: 4/17/2007 4:16:44 PM
Author: njc
Diamond - I think you are trying to say an incident earlier correct? That actually was not on campus. It happened in the hospital and along a trail that connects the area the hospital is in to the far, far, FAR edge of campus (at least a mile if not 2 from the heart of campus with nothing but a visitor center near it). I want to say the trail 10 miles long or something like that... not super close by. They had information that gunmen had already killed 2 and was headed in the direction of campus (either that or a HUGE cow field... there is nothing else out thereDate: 4/17/2007 3:44:00 PM
Author: diamondfan
Fire, all I am saying is that considering they had an incident on campus this year with guns, they should have notified the campus. Students were unaware and walking around. There could have been 2 or 3 gunmen, why would you not alert the school so that people knew what was going on? I am saying I would make NO assumptions about it, but get the word out as soon as possible to safeguard others.). I also want to say that it happened later in the morning, so students were out and about, just lucky nothing happened. I have heard accounts of officials driving around with loud speakers telling people to get inside... I dont know what more you could ask for
Okay, so say you send out an email at 8am once you have figured out what is going on with the first shooting... hell, lets say you send it out at 730... as a student or prof, I am already on my way to campus for my 8am class (something like 10K+ kids live OFF campus). It would take me about 10 minutes to get on campus and about another 10-15 to walk to my classroom from where ever I was able to find a parking spot or was dropped off by the bus. Plus, who knows if I checked my email before I left or not... i probably rolled out of bed at the last possible second. I dont have a Blackberry, so how am i supposed to be alerted?
The university used other means of communication... phone trees (which really only work for those living on campus), iMessages and sirens were set off to alert that something was wrong. I''m sure word was sent out to radio stations, but in this day and age of iPods, not everyone listens to the radio any more! Pres Steger mentioned the university was looking into a cell phone alert system after the incident in August, but had yet to reach a decision it. That would have to rely on students signing up though, so again, not a 100% guarantee. And then what happens when the circuits jam? I dont think there is a fool-proof way of letting everyone know.
I watched the convocation this afternoon and thought it was wonderful. I love nikki giovanni and think hers may have been the best. Love it even more that the crowd erupted into ''Let''s go Hokies'' cheers afterwards. I also am SO glad they gave Pres. Steger a standing ovation as well... the man deserves it.
ditto! excellent overview indeed. i wish the community continued strength and wisdom during this difficult time. it can't be easy having millions of 'monday morning quarterbacks' criticizing the situation.Date: 4/17/2007 4:46:44 PM
Author: fire&ice
Wow - and all I had was a rolly eye! Didn't think it would be helpful and gave up.Date: 4/17/2007 4:16:44 PM
Author: njc
Diamond - I think you are trying to say an incident earlier correct? That actually was not on campus. It happened in the hospital and along a trail that connects the area the hospital is in to the far, far, FAR edge of campus (at least a mile if not 2 from the heart of campus with nothing but a visitor center near it). I want to say the trail 10 miles long or something like that... not super close by. They had information that gunmen had already killed 2 and was headed in the direction of campus (either that or a HUGE cow field... there is nothing else out thereDate: 4/17/2007 3:44:00 PM
Author: diamondfan
Fire, all I am saying is that considering they had an incident on campus this year with guns, they should have notified the campus. Students were unaware and walking around. There could have been 2 or 3 gunmen, why would you not alert the school so that people knew what was going on? I am saying I would make NO assumptions about it, but get the word out as soon as possible to safeguard others.). I also want to say that it happened later in the morning, so students were out and about, just lucky nothing happened. I have heard accounts of officials driving around with loud speakers telling people to get inside... I dont know what more you could ask for
Okay, so say you send out an email at 8am once you have figured out what is going on with the first shooting... hell, lets say you send it out at 730... as a student or prof, I am already on my way to campus for my 8am class (something like 10K+ kids live OFF campus). It would take me about 10 minutes to get on campus and about another 10-15 to walk to my classroom from where ever I was able to find a parking spot or was dropped off by the bus. Plus, who knows if I checked my email before I left or not... i probably rolled out of bed at the last possible second. I dont have a Blackberry, so how am i supposed to be alerted?
The university used other means of communication... phone trees (which really only work for those living on campus), iMessages and sirens were set off to alert that something was wrong. I'm sure word was sent out to radio stations, but in this day and age of iPods, not everyone listens to the radio any more! Pres Steger mentioned the university was looking into a cell phone alert system after the incident in August, but had yet to reach a decision it. That would have to rely on students signing up though, so again, not a 100% guarantee. And then what happens when the circuits jam? I dont think there is a fool-proof way of letting everyone know.
I watched the convocation this afternoon and thought it was wonderful. I love nikki giovanni and think hers may have been the best. Love it even more that the crowd erupted into 'Let's go Hokies' cheers afterwards. I also am SO glad they gave Pres. Steger a standing ovation as well... the man deserves it.Excellent overview about a very complex situation.
Pres. Stegar deserved a standing ovation. He has handled himself with calm, sensitivity, sensiblity & as clearly part of the Hokie family. In fact, the whole community has handled themselves well in the eyes of the world. That is a legacy worthy of note.
I do know where he got them and he passed all local and federal tests and would have passed any of the hoops that have been proposed.Date: 4/17/2007 3:23:35 PM
Author: fire&ice
Storm, you will never convince me that stricter gun laws will keep guns out of the hands of law bidding citizens. You have your position. I have mine. I''m done with the gun argument. Only time will tell where he got these guns & serious ammo. It is clear that he had a plan.
Well, you and I shouldn't argue about the pros cons or lack thereof regarding gun control. With every point - there will be a counterpoint and the question that will always come up - informed by whom? That saidDate: 4/17/2007 9:50:59 PM
Author: strmrdr
I do know where he got them and he passed all local and federal tests and would have passed any of the hoops that have been proposed.Date: 4/17/2007 3:23:35 PM
Author: fire&ice
Storm, you will never convince me that stricter gun laws will keep guns out of the hands of law bidding citizens. You have your position. I have mine. I'm done with the gun argument. Only time will tell where he got these guns & serious ammo. It is clear that he had a plan.
There was nothing in his record to that wouldn't catch millions of people who will never misuse a firearm. (only thing was a green card that set him apart from joe anyone paperwork wise)
if he couldn't have bought them legally he still would have got them on the black market.
He used a glock 9mm which is one of the most common guns on the black market.
The other was a walther p-22 .22lr.