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Autumnovember

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Sigh....

I hope I don't cry typing this because I've cried all night.

I had a very bad situation happen tonight before the superbowl began.

As some of you may know, I bought a puppy English Bulldog as a companion dog for my 5 year old poodle mix who is my whole world.

I invested in a fantastic dog trainer to be sure that my puppy will be well mannered and trained.

Both dogs are very territorial when it comes to toys so the only time I ever allow them to play with any toys is when I am within an arms length reach of both dogs.

Layla (older dog) was playing with her stuffed animal by my husbands feet and the puppy came over close to her. She freaked out a bit and then they started going at it. The whole thing lasted about 5-8 seconds before I pulled them apart. It was enough time for something awful to happen.

Layla ran off crying and I chased after her to see if the bulldog had bitten her leg or something.

When I looked at her face I saw her whole eye was protruding right out of the socket. It wasn't hanging or anything, but it was HUGE. It looked like it had some kind of weird film over it too. I rushed out and screamed to my husband that we needed to go to the hospital immediately.

Layla hopped on my bed and stopped whimpering and just curled up in her usual ball. A few minutes later, I looked over at her and the area around her eye was starting to get covered in blood and so was her fur.

We drove as fast as possible to the hospital and they took her in right away.

The vet saw us and told us the news....Layla is going to lose her eye. Tomorrow is the surgery. The vet told me that more than likely, the bulldog put his weight on Layla's jugular and that caused the eye to pop out and the muscles to detach from it. I cannot get the horrific image out of my head. I don't know how I'm ever going to forgive myself. It doesn't help that my husband didn't want this dog to begin with. He wanted a toy poodle but I insisted we get my dream dog. I feel so guilty. Like total and complete shit that my poor baby has to go through this because of me.

I don't know what to do about the pup. I called my vet immediately when I got home and he urged me not to get rid of the puppy. He told me that aggressive behavior towards toys is common in puppies and that we need to fix the situation now and we should be ok.

I am thinking of having a prosthetic eye put in but I'm not sure yet.

None of my family knows about this. My parents are both beyond attached to this dog and they're going to kill me. My dad is a very "I told you so" kind of guy and I know he will put the blame all on me for this. I am thinking of just telling them that this happened at the dog park because I feel like I have no other way out of it. It doesn't help that my husband told my brother in law about it and I got the blame from him. He kept saying we should have never got the puppy, how we should have just been happy with one dog who is fantastic, and that we need to get rid of this puppy as soon as possible.

My trainer said that we cannot have any toys in the house until the puppy is trusted and completely trained.

I just called the hospital and they told me she is not in any distress and she is currently on some IV medications and resting. They said she is just opening up her eyes from her naps to check out the tech's that come to check on her and shes keeping her little head on her paws. I cried on the phone and the vet told me not to beat myself up over this, that they get this type of situation close to 5 times a day. I can't help but feel awful.

I just need some support :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( :(( ;( ;( ;( ;(
 
I am so sorry you are having to deal with such an awful injury. :cry: Don't feel guilty. I know that's easy for me to say. You can't help it you are the mom. Accidents happen. If these were little kids and one accidently sat on the other and a bone was broken would you get rid of the kid. Shame on people pointing the blame on you. They should be supporting you through all this. Your little girl will be fine and will get through this. The puppy will learn how to play well with her sister. Again, it was an accident. I hope all goes well tommorow.
 
Oh I am so sorry!!!
 
Oh autumnovember, I'm so sorry! I cried while reading your post! I'm so sorry about your poor baby. I know it hurts right now. But it's really not your fault. AT ALL. Puppies are puppies and he didn't know any better. Just be very glad that it wasn't something worse.

I'm like you, I would beat myself up over this. Even while reading, I imagined my own babies going through this. But I am giving you advice I hope I can also take. Keep calm, show your baby that everything is ok. She's going to feel your anxiety and fear. Just let her know you're there for her.

As for other people, please don't worry. Whats important right now is Layla getting better. And please don't get rid of the puppy. You wouldn't get rid of a newborn child just because something happened to your older child. Ignore the people for now. Deal with it later. You don't need that kind of stress. You're already beating yourself up.

I will be keeping Layla, you and the puppy in my thoughts. I'm so sorry.
 
Oh man! I can't imagine.
Big hugs to you this evening.
 
Sorry to hear this. We breed English Bulldogs and have never had an aggressive one. Stubborn, yes, but not aggressive. I would tend to blame this more on the puppy factor and less on the breed. I've found them to be too dumb and lazy to be aggressive. Training might help, but remember that they rank 78 out of 80 on the dog intelligence list. Hopefully the pup will calm down once he matures. Have you had him fixed?
 
Poor Layla! Sending you and Layla hugs and dust!
 
Aw, Autumnnovember, so sorry to hear about this! But please don't put the guilt on yourself. Accidents happen... I nearly killed my baby brother when we were kids, I pushed him when he was trying to eat some grated carrots I was making for my mom. The puppy is a baby and you cannot control a baby 24/7. Please please do not feel guilty! You had no way of knowing it would come to this.

Give yourself a little time to decide whether to keep the puppy or try to find him a new home. But in the meantime, concentrate on getting your old girl well, and take care of yourself, too!
 
Thanks, everyone. I am going to try hard not to blame myself. I s m going to call the trainer tomorrow to ask about how to handle both of them while she recovers. AMC, he just got fixed 3 weeks ago. Its mainly a toy issue and I do agree its partly him just being a pup but after I pulled them apart anf hubby was holding him back, he wanted more. I know they aren't that intelligeny but I really think I got one of thesmarter ones. I am always amazed by his intelligence and he is not as stubborn as a lot of other bulldogs I know. sigh. So hard for me right now.

if I get the prosthetic it would be more for my familys sake and mine. I just need to be sure that if I go that route it wont cause additional problems later. Seeing her is going to be so difficult. Tomorrow is my first day at my new job...no way I will sleep tonight. My poor, poor baby...I hope she doesn't hate me. I just want to hug her tight right now.
 
used my phone to reply. ..sorry for all the mistakes.
 
GemFever|1359954778|3371654 said:
Aw, Autumnnovember, so sorry to hear about this! But please don't put the guilt on yourself. Accidents happen... I nearly killed my baby brother when we were kids, I pushed him when he was trying to eat some grated carrots I was making for my mom. The puppy is a baby and you cannot control a baby 24/7. Please please do not feel guilty! You had no way of knowing it would come to this.

Give yourself a little time to decide whether to keep the puppy or try to find him a new home. But in the meantime, concentrate on getting your old girl well, and take care of yourself, too!

This.

AN, this is a terrible thing, but it is not something you should blame yourself for ... or even the puppy. It's a horrible accident. It sounds like something that could have happened with any other dog (or, for that matter, person who shoved your Layla, or ... fill in the blank with random other creatures or circumstances, because, hey, accident).

You are a good and loving pet owner. You will do everything to make sure Layla feels minimal pain and recovers promptly. You will get the puppy trained, and integrate him into your family unit. These are the right things to do. Anybody who says otherwise? Or claims a holier-than-thou position? Is a huge earlobe.

(My pet term - hey, even *******s serve a purpose. )

At any rate. I am so sorry Layla is suffering this, and you are suffering this, and even the big, blundering, unintentional, wondering-where-his-playmate is puppy is suffering this. It is dreadful. I want you all to get better soon. Hugs, solnyshka.
 
Oh, AN - I'm so, so sorry. I know you feel terrible.

So this is not an aggressive dog, this is normal dog behavior that turned into a freak accident. It's horrible and I'm so sorry you and your family have to go through this. My dogs had a bunch of bloody fights that thankfully turned out ok. All of you are learning and this is all new for all of you, definitely don't beat yourself up about it.

Your trainer is right, until everything is settled - no toys or food out while both dogs are out. You may want to invest in crates where both dogs can play with their toys in a safe place. My dogs love their crates, it's a safe, quiet place for them to chill. Make sure all visitors and family members know the rules, too. Have the trainer point out the warning signs the dogs are giving out before a fight starts, so that you and your husband can be vigilant about heading off any future fights. He will give you coping strategies to make sure this never happens again.

Best of luck, hang in there - it does get better and I am so sorry that you have to deal with this.
 
Autumnovember|1359955226|3371662 said:
Thanks, everyone. I am going to try hard not to blame myself. I s m going to call the trainer tomorrow to ask about how to handle both of them while she recovers. AMC, he just got fixed 3 weeks ago. Its mainly a toy issue and I do agree its partly him just being a pup but after I pulled them apart anf hubby was holding him back, he wanted more. I know they aren't that intelligeny but I really think I got one of thesmarter ones. I am always amazed by his intelligence and he is not as stubborn as a lot of other bulldogs I know. sigh. So hard for me right now.

if I get the prosthetic it would be more for my familys sake and mine. I just need to be sure that if I go that route it wont cause additional problems later. Seeing her is going to be so difficult. Tomorrow is my first day at my new job...no way I will sleep tonight. My poor, poor baby...I hope she doesn't hate me. I just want to hug her tight right now.

I am so sorry you're dealing with this, such a difficult situation. Everyone has given you excellent advice. I just wanted to add that your dog does NOT hate you. Treasured pets almost don't have the capacity to hate. It's what makes dogs such beautiful souls, their endless love and devotion. She knows you adore her.
 
Circe|1359955381|3371665 said:
GemFever|1359954778|3371654 said:
Aw, Autumnnovember, so sorry to hear about this! But please don't put the guilt on yourself. Accidents happen... I nearly killed my baby brother when we were kids, I pushed him when he was trying to eat some grated carrots I was making for my mom. The puppy is a baby and you cannot control a baby 24/7. Please please do not feel guilty! You had no way of knowing it would come to this.

Give yourself a little time to decide whether to keep the puppy or try to find him a new home. But in the meantime, concentrate on getting your old girl well, and take care of yourself, too!

This.

AN, this is a terrible thing, but it is not something you should blame yourself for ... or even the puppy. It's a horrible accident. It sounds like something that could have happened with any other dog (or, for that matter, person who shoved your Layla, or ... fill in the blank with random other creatures or circumstances, because, hey, accident).

You are a good and loving pet owner. You will do everything to make sure Layla feels minimal pain and recovers promptly. You will get the puppy trained, and integrate him into your family unit. These are the right things to do. Anybody who says otherwise? Or claims a holier-than-thou position? Is a huge earlobe.

(My pet term - hey, even *******s serve a purpose. )

At any rate. I am so sorry Layla is suffering this, and you are suffering this, and even the big, blundering, unintentional, wondering-where-his-playmate is puppy is suffering this. It is dreadful. I want you all to get better soon. Hugs, solnyshka.

Circe, your last word made me lose it...my mom would tell me that right now if shr knew. thank you for your kind words. When I came home he knew instantly something was wrong. He hasn't skipped a beat even once with how he greets me but did when I got home. He normally gets crazy excited but tonight he didn't. ..he just put his head down and looked at me. He has been very, very calm all night. Hasn't even tried to annoy me like he usually does. He knows something is off. He is no dumb dog. I just hugged him tight and havr been petting him. This was just that, an accident, even if it was our of aggression, I know this dog wasn't trying to take her eye out. Not sure if that makes sense. I can't even begin to think of giving him up. He is a good dog and I won't let anyone tell me what to do with my dogs. Before any decisions are made, I need him to have a chance to learn how to act right with toys and then I guess I will make some choices.
 
Autumnovember, i am so terribly sorry that you're going through this...Honestly, i don't know what to say to consolate you...Big hugs my dear...
 
Wow, AN, you have had more than your fair share in the last year, haven't you? I have no silver bullet for you - this is an awful situation for you. You know what? There is nothing anyone can say to you that can make you feel worse than you already do. I don't even know what to say to the "I told you so" types. Ugh. Oh honey, I just want to give you and Layla big hugs. And the poor puppy - what are the odds that he would lean on the jugular just right and this would happen? You have been doing everything right and I have been so impressed with how you so swiftly took action and got a trainer. I know this doesn't help to say, but while aggression happens, the specifics of this sound like a freak accident where there was very little that you could do. I'm just so, so sorry :(sad :((
 
AN...don't know what to say... :(sad ..all i can do is offer you a big hug.
 
OMG AN, I am so sorry :(( and for Layla :(( I can't even imagine the depth of your anguish.

I don't even know what else to say...I just wanted you to know that I feel your pain and I am so sorry this happened.
 
Oh AN, I am so sorry that you're going thru this! Dogs are the most forgiving of creatures and Layla will love you as much as she ever did. She will not blame you (and your family should follow this smart pooch!)....

I will keep Lalya in my prayers. I know that it will take some getting used to (by both of you), but she'll be ok.

Good luck at your job today...try to focus on that, since I know you worked really hard to get there!

Please keep us posted.

Many hugs to you....
 
oh honey i'm so sorry! extra big hugs to you! and DO NOT place blame on yourself. We have a shiba (extremely territoral and not very friendly) and for a second dog we got a lab. Very similar fights would break out till our lab was out of puppy hood so we had to really watch them. Now that it has been several years they are good friends and take naps together etc. They still have their moments over toys but on command they know to cut it out. Definitely give the puppy a second chance- he will grow out of it.
 
Oh god. How horrible. Poor poor Layla.

Hope she recovers soon, AN!
 
AN, don't listen to a single word blaming you. Don't blame yourself.

It wasn't your fault nor Layla's nor the puppy's. It's born out of natural dog behavior that had a miserable outcome. Your vet is right -- it happens every single day in many many homes, to good dogs. And good people like you!

My Siberians have had similar wrangles -- and well-bred Siberians are notable for getting along well with other dogs; they are bred to work in teams, after all. But like children, little guys grab a toy & smack the playmate who resists. I've taken mine for stitches several times. It was pure accident that Layla was so badly hurt.

I hope you can find a trainer with good behavioral chops who can show you what signs of trouble to look for, and how to teach Puppy to let go. With time & love, it will come.

You'll also be amazed at how well Layla will do with one eye. The brain compensates to a great extent -- and honestly, she will not mourn over it. She'll accept it as normal in a very short time. Dogs live only in the present, remember.

Anybody who lays blame on you -- simply for buying a puppy, geeze! -- must be told to stop being small. It is NOT your fault in any way. Much dust & love -- and please keep us up to date on them both!

--- Laurie
 
I am so sorry AN! They call such situations accidents for a reason - it is NO fault of yours at all. You sound like such an awesome and loving mama to your furbabies.

And to those "I-told-you-so" comments - the best you can do is to turn on your "filter" to max - the meaning they're conveying is that they love Layla, and the words, they're just "blah blah blah..."

{{{hugs}}}
 
I'm so sorry. I can only imagine how traumatizing this must be for all of you. ;( Please don't blame yourself. Puppies are careless little creatures and I'm sure your little guy intended no harm. He can't possible know his own strength.

I'm wishing a speedy recovery for Layla and I hope that your family is kind to you and leaves their "I told you so" words to themselves.
 
AN - I am SO SO SO sorry! That is unbelievably horrible and I just can't imagine you having seen something like that and poor Layla having gone through it. I want to hug you both and will be praying for healing for the both of you.

I will say this though. Animals live in the second, as someone else said. You wouldn't believe how fast they get over things. I used to think they were bipolar, but it makes sense. They enjoy life far more than we do and I'm sure it's due to the fact that they don't stress out and they don't hold on to anything but love from their owners. If you're there to comfort her during this, that's all she'll know. She does not at all blame you.

And don't let anyone make you feel guilty. Animals are animals and just that. Your bulldog doesn't even realize what he did and Layla is beyond what happened and just trying to heal. Follow your pets example. They're part of the family for sure and it will get better. I'd like to know how the recovery is going if you can manage updating us on this? If not, no worries, just please put yourself at ease.
 
Hi everyone. I can't thank you all enough for the support...it is helping me through. Layla is doing well, spoke to the doctor this morning. She said Layla went for a walk and ate this morning and she is now resting. She mentioned that Layla isn't even acting like anything is wrong with the eye. I decided I want a prostheses. The bad news? She has to qualify and the only way that can happen is if her sclera can be saved. The eye doctor hasn't seen her yet so there is no final say on that but the vet doc thinks the chances are low. PLEASE, PLEASE pray she can get this. Please. I told my sister about what happened during my break. She agrees that my parents should be told it happened at the park. She was very supportive and did not blame me. She told me she loved me and we would get through this. I will update more. I am thinking of going there after work. I'm just very scared to see her. I know its stupid and I should just be there for her but I can't help it. You would think I would be ok being that I have seen some scary stuff in nursing. I guess its just different when its your own. thank you all again. Wrote this from my phone sorry for mistakes.
 
Autumnovember|1359993027|3371891 said:
Hi everyone. I can't thank you all enough for the support...it is helping me through. Layla is doing well, spoke to the doctor this morning. She said Layla went for a walk and ate this morning and she is now resting. She mentioned that Layla isn't even acting like anything is wrong with the eye. I decided I want a prostheses. The bad news? She has to qualify and the only way that can happen is if her sclera can be saved. The eye doctor hasn't seen her yet so there is no final say on that but the vet doc thinks the chances are low. PLEASE, PLEASE pray she can get this. Please. I told my sister about what happened during my break. She agrees that my parents should be told it happened at the park. She was very supportive and did not blame me. She told me she loved me and we would get through this. I will update more. I am thinking of going there after work. I'm just very scared to see her. I know its stupid and I should just be there for her but I can't help it. You would think I would be ok being that I have seen some scary stuff in nursing. I guess its just different when its your own. thank you all again. Wrote this from my phone sorry for mistakes.

Hi again AN - I know it'll be hard to see her, but if at all possible put on your armor and let her see you be strong. Animals are very understanding but they can sense whatever you're feeling. If you can, just let her see you smiling and just talk to her soothingly and big hugs. I will be praying for you for sure.
 
Hon, you have nothing to feel bad about - your emotions are valid, and it IS scary to see someone you love suffering health difficulties, regardless of whether they walk on two feet or four. The doc says she's doing well, which is EXCELLENT news ... and which I bet is contributing to your emotions. When I've had similar things, it's almost been like that's when my body lets me know I'm in shock: up until the good news, it's all running-running-running to make things go.

BTW, I think I take it back about the "huge earlobe" thing - I spoke Russian automatically (and meant it!), but it made me realize, my family would respond EXACTLY how you're describing. I think it may be a cultural thing. Being huge domineering judge-y busybodies is almost how my folks, at least, express concern. Of course, practically, that means I withhold a lot of info for the sake of my own sanity, and at the times when I can't, I cut them off before they can get going now - the phrase, "I didn't ask for advice. But I would appreciate sympathy." is like my mantra. I just repeat it until it penetrates. They were ... resistant ... at first, but eventually they seemed to realize I meant it. I hope your family will be supportive - the fact that your sis is is a good sign! If not, above phrase, rinse, repeat.
 
AutumnNovember I am so sorry to hear this story. What a nightmare that must be for all concerned. I hope she makes a speedy recovery.
 
Autumnovember|1359993027|3371891 said:
The bad news? She has to qualify and the only way that can happen is if her sclera can be saved. The eye doctor hasn't seen her yet so there is no final say on that but the vet doc thinks the chances are low. PLEASE, PLEASE pray she can get this. Please.

Sending Layla tons of dust and love and hope
 
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