urgent help with this stone

[targa]

I have been searching for months to find a stone in my price range. i think i have found one but would really appreciate any and all opinions- need to buy it by tomorrow to get the ring back in time for.....

1.70ct round
H/SI (peripheral inclusion which can be hidden well under a prong--no carbon)
depth 60%
table 56%
crown 15% (numbers seem rounded)
pav 43%
no photolum
exc/exc proportions/finish

thank you all for you help!

 

[bluedawg]

Have you seen the diamond to know if the inclusion is, in fact, as you described?

EGL certs are not thought of as "strictly graded" as AGS or GIA diamonds, so the price should be a bit less than stones with GIA/AGS certs. If the diamond was graded by EGL outside the USA the color grade may, in fact, be lower than H. If that''s a concern, maybe see it and compare to other H stones?

It scores 0.7 on the HCA. I am still not sure why/how the percentages are less accurate than the angles, but if a Sarin were run on the diamond, you''d have a more accurate HCA score to go by.

Sorry I can''t help more. GL!

 

[Regular Guy]

Targa,

I scanned your earlier posts...seems like you know some of the critical factors. I can see that, given the constraints of the info you have, the diamond is potentially quite beautiful, scoring .7 on the HCA, such that the odds are in your favor...any chance of confirming that with better numbers (non-rounded, and based on angles, not %s) in the time frame you have available to you?

You know...calling sarin or ogi can get them to tell you who local to you has these guys...if anybody.

Best,

 

[targa]

I just went back to look at the stone again- unfortunately I can''t run a sarin on it if i would like to get things by tomorrow.

It is EGL europe.
when i compare it to an egl g/vs2 i can tell the color difference which makes me wonder if it is truly less than H

I also have looked at the diamond with both a loupe and a microscope. when i view with the microscope the inlusion looks ok but with the loupe it looks like carbon- is this common in dark deep inclusions or am i fooling myself and this is really carbon?

btw-price $8900

 

[targa]

also, if forgot to mention, even though it states excellent proportions the size shows significant variation

7.63 -7.90 x4.66
should i be concerned- to the naked eye and caliper it looks like 7.8 to me.

 

[Regular Guy]

Others more knowledgeable will serve you better on both the points of variation (which seems considerable, yes), and particularly...the odds you have going for you without sarin. And...only you can say to what extent your time sensitivity is critical...cause more time could only help.

Otherwise...you don''t say whether it''s SI1 or SI2. If you simply compare on price to other EGLs here, if SI 2, you can do better, but if yours is SI 1one...at least compared to here, you''ll have relatively optimized on price...or so it looks like to me.

Best,

 

[targa]

sorry, yes SI 1.
thanks

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 5/16/2005 5:00:53 PM
Author: targa
also, if forgot to mention, even though it states excellent proportions the size shows significant variation

7.63 -7.90 x4.66
should i be concerned- to the naked eye and caliper it looks like 7.8 to me.

Something is amiss here. If the diamond truly is 7.63 x 7.90, it''s HORRIBLY out of round!

Also, EGL Europe has a dismayingly lenient reputation. If they are telling you it''s an H.....it could be 2-3 grades off from that. Are you happy paying that price for what could be a J/K?

I''d pass.....the variation on that stone''s measurements is WAY more than I''d be comfortable with.

 

[Kaleigh]

I''d pass too.

 

[RockDoc]

It appears from your post that YOU are rushing yourself.

In my opinion that is a very imprudent stance to take. These little pet rocks, sell for a more than a box of cookies, so taking your time, becoming informed, and avoid buying based on primarilly on price, can save you tons of heartache.


Read the posts about pricing at the top of the sheet here, and also the one that is a poll about SI-3 clarity grade. You get a lot of wisdom from it.

As for price, sure its important, but you can''t compare diamonds that aren''t identical, and if they are only similar, you''re best having an appraiser who is qualified consult with you, so not only get what you are being told the quality is, but is actually the stone you want. Once you find "equals" then compare prices.

I''d also advise you to stick with diamonds that have GIA and/or AGS lab reports as a MINIMUM requirement.

Another little bit of common sense wisdom.... The dealer, cutter, broker, or retailer who ordered the EGL reort, had a clear choice to use several labs. So why did they use EGL? Be aware that many people ordering reports have the stone submitted to several labs, and pick the lab with the best grading to be offered with the stone. I am not saying that this is factual in the case of this stone, but it is a reality.

As a little exercise, compare the prices of GIA or AGS graded diamonds that are lower in grading than the one by EGL. You''ll probably find that if the stone would grade differently at GIA or AGS, the price would be comparable.

Rockdoc