I don''t understand your point of view. We should leave ourselves vulnerable to both attack and the chaos that that attack would create. . . just so we aren''t ''overreaching with our military force''?? So, we can be ready to protect others -- elsewhere -- but not ourselves? Oh, wait a minute; you don''t want us protecting others, either; that would mean that we would be at war somewhere; and just where the heck do we get off anyway -- thinking we should act on behalf of anyone? Geez, those guys at the Pentagon; what a bunch of losers.
A bit cranky today are we? Desperate for a fight eh? Based on this post, what point of view would I be holding that you don''t agree with Holly? I posted a LINK. I didn''t comment on the bleedin'' thing...Date: 12/3/2008 2:42:31 PM
Author: HollyS
I don''t understand your point of view. We should leave ourselves vulnerable to both attack and the chaos that that attack would create. . . just so we aren''t ''overreaching with our military force''?? So, we can be ready to protect others -- elsewhere -- but not ourselves? Oh, wait a minute; you don''t want us protecting others, either; that would mean that we would be at war somewhere; and just where the heck do we get off anyway -- thinking we should act on behalf of anyone? Geez, those guys at the Pentagon; what a bunch of losers.
Surely, at some point in the future, our leaders will call upon PS for guidance in all things military.
Date: 12/3/2008 2:56:38 PM
Author: ksinger
A bit cranky today are we? Desperate for a fight eh? Based on this post, what point of view would I be holding that you don''t agree with Holly? I posted a LINK. I didn''t comment on the bleedin'' thing...Date: 12/3/2008 2:42:31 PM
Author: HollyS
I don''t understand your point of view. We should leave ourselves vulnerable to both attack and the chaos that that attack would create. . . just so we aren''t ''overreaching with our military force''?? So, we can be ready to protect others -- elsewhere -- but not ourselves? Oh, wait a minute; you don''t want us protecting others, either; that would mean that we would be at war somewhere; and just where the heck do we get off anyway -- thinking we should act on behalf of anyone? Geez, those guys at the Pentagon; what a bunch of losers.
Surely, at some point in the future, our leaders will call upon PS for guidance in all things military.
If you wish to infer all that you did about what I think from the single sentence I included with my original post, I certainly can''t stop you....have a ball.Date: 12/3/2008 3:00:48 PM
Author: HollyS
Date: 12/3/2008 2:56:38 PM
Author: ksinger
A bit cranky today are we? Desperate for a fight eh? Based on this post, what point of view would I be holding that you don''t agree with Holly? I posted a LINK. I didn''t comment on the bleedin'' thing...Date: 12/3/2008 2:42:31 PM
Author: HollyS
I don''t understand your point of view. We should leave ourselves vulnerable to both attack and the chaos that that attack would create. . . just so we aren''t ''overreaching with our military force''?? So, we can be ready to protect others -- elsewhere -- but not ourselves? Oh, wait a minute; you don''t want us protecting others, either; that would mean that we would be at war somewhere; and just where the heck do we get off anyway -- thinking we should act on behalf of anyone? Geez, those guys at the Pentagon; what a bunch of losers.
Surely, at some point in the future, our leaders will call upon PS for guidance in all things military.
Uh. Yes, you did comment. Movie Zombie certainly thought you did, and concurred with you. Is she wrong, too?
Ever heard of Sherman''s march to the sea?
Do you live near Waco? I do. I worked at an appliance/electronics store at the time of the Branch Davidiian incident. We had our TVs on that day; and we watched the video live stream -- from CNN -- of David Karesh (sp?) setting fire to his compound. You could see him walk from room to room with a torch, touching off a blaze in every room. This is after he locked the remaining people downstairs. Everybody in that store witnessed this on CNN, we all talked about it, and yet, mysteriously . . . . that tape has disappeared. Never to be viewed on TV again. It''s all Janet Reno''s fault. It''s the ATF; they are to blame. No, it was a lunatic''s fault. And we watched him set his own damn fire. There''s a whole bunch of people around here who witnessed it on TV as it was happening, because our local channels were carrying the live feed; we know who caused the massacre -- and it wasn''t the government.
Why...."The government did what they felt they had to do" Thing. That''s all the reason they needed. They always and only EVER have OUR best interests at heart, don''t you KNOW that???
Here''s a good one for ya....DH, in his rush out the door this AM, informed me that our government was also planning to round up Italian and German American citizens, until they realized they just flat out didn''t have room.... (he didn''t have time to go dig up the info, but I''m sure he could with the proper amount of time)Date: 12/4/2008 6:27:35 AM
Author: MoonWater
Well their eyes looked funny, didn''t you notice thing?
Seriously, this is absolutely sickening.
Date: 12/4/2008 6:44:28 AM
Author: ksinger
Here''s a good one for ya....DH, in his rush out the door this AM, informed me that our government was also planning to round up Italian and German American citizens, until they realized they just flat out didn''t have room.... (he didn''t have time to go dig up the info, but I''m sure he could with the proper amount of time)Date: 12/4/2008 6:27:35 AM
Author: MoonWater
Well their eyes looked funny, didn''t you notice thing?
Seriously, this is absolutely sickening.
Good one, Thing2of2! Your statement clearly shows the faulty logic of such government tactics.Date: 12/4/2008 8:28:28 AM
Author: thing2of2
Date: 12/4/2008 6:44:28 AM
Author: ksinger
Here''s a good one for ya....DH, in his rush out the door this AM, informed me that our government was also planning to round up Italian and German American citizens, until they realized they just flat out didn''t have room.... (he didn''t have time to go dig up the info, but I''m sure he could with the proper amount of time)Date: 12/4/2008 6:27:35 AM
Author: MoonWater
Well their eyes looked funny, didn''t you notice thing?
Seriously, this is absolutely sickening.
Wow, I wasn''t aware of that. Well if they had the room for Italian-Americans, that would have included my great-grandparents and grandfather on my mom''s side. But hey-my family was probably in on Mussolini''s plans since they were Italian-American, so it would have been safer for America if they had been rounded up, too!
Yes that is true.
I don''t know why I even bother responding anymore.
Not in your lifetime, have you ever witnessed men with assault rifles on your street corners. Where is the paranoia coming from? I can assure you, Mr. Obama won''t be utilizing the military like that. He wants his own ''civilian security force''. But that, for some reason, doesn''t scare the beejesus out of you.Date: 12/4/2008 5:55:43 AM
Author: ksinger
Why....''The government did what they felt they had to do'' Thing. That''s all the reason they needed. They always and only EVER have OUR best interests at heart, don''t you KNOW that???
It amazes me that the people who argue most vociferously for a hands-off approach when it come to government and economies, will in the next breath defend the idea of that same stupid and venal government (made up of fellow citizens with feet of clay, I remind us all) having the power to put men with assault weapons on our street corners. No matter what good reasons are given, these guys WILL end up doing ''police'' duty. It''s inevitable. And of course there is still the issue of the tearing down of Posse Comitatus in order to do this to the level that it is apparently being done. Like Glass-Steagall with the banking system, Posse Comitatus was a response to real abuses. We forget the lessons and tear these walls - built by people who witnessed and lived through the abuses - down at our peril. I will say that many of the reasons for this are compelling. I am not immune to their persuasiveness. But the reasons are ALWAYS compelling, and the end seems always to be the same. Abuse of powers granted. This is not a ''special case'' situation, from what I read, but a true and lasting change to the way the military will be used domestically from here on out. People need to pay attention. But they probably won''t. (shrug)
Date: 12/4/2008 6:21:47 AM
Author: MoonWater
WW!!!
So, since our government was too stupid and greedy to realize they were victimizing people, that makes everything alright!
Yeah, it''s all about political correctness. I mean hey, slavery was unfortunate ya know, but they just didn''t realize what they were doing!
It was our Manifest Destiny gosh darnit!! If you weren''t of a certain color and a certain faith, well that''s just too darn bad!
WTF?
Date: 12/5/2008 5:43:02 PM
Author: HollyS
Date: 12/4/2008 5:55:43 AM
Author: ksinger
Why....''The government did what they felt they had to do'' Thing. That''s all the reason they needed. They always and only EVER have OUR best interests at heart, don''t you KNOW that???
It amazes me that the people who argue most vociferously for a hands-off approach when it come to government and economies, will in the next breath defend the idea of that same stupid and venal government (made up of fellow citizens with feet of clay, I remind us all) having the power to put men with assault weapons on our street corners. No matter what good reasons are given, these guys WILL end up doing ''police'' duty. It''s inevitable. And of course there is still the issue of the tearing down of Posse Comitatus in order to do this to the level that it is apparently being done. Like Glass-Steagall with the banking system, Posse Comitatus was a response to real abuses. We forget the lessons and tear these walls - built by people who witnessed and lived through the abuses - down at our peril. I will say that many of the reasons for this are compelling. I am not immune to their persuasiveness. But the reasons are ALWAYS compelling, and the end seems always to be the same. Abuse of powers granted. This is not a ''special case'' situation, from what I read, but a true and lasting change to the way the military will be used domestically from here on out. People need to pay attention. But they probably won''t. (shrug)
Not in your lifetime, have you ever witnessed men with assault rifles on your street corners. Where is the paranoia coming from? I can assure you, Mr. Obama won''t be utilizing the military like that. He wants his own ''civilian security force''. But that, for some reason, doesn''t scare the beejesus out of you.
Much like the much glossed-over caveats on the various investments in a 401K or IRA, "Past performance is no guarantee of future performance". Just because I''ve never seen it doesn''t mean it can''t happen. I never thought I''d see a building 8 blocks from my job blown up by a terrorist , but I did...Date: 12/5/2008 5:43:02 PM
Author: HollyS
Not in your lifetime, have you ever witnessed men with assault rifles on your street corners. Where is the paranoia coming from? I can assure you, Mr. Obama won''t be utilizing the military like that. He wants his own ''civilian security force''. But that, for some reason, doesn''t scare the beejesus out of you.Date: 12/4/2008 5:55:43 AM
Author: ksinger
Why....''The government did what they felt they had to do'' Thing. That''s all the reason they needed. They always and only EVER have OUR best interests at heart, don''t you KNOW that???
It amazes me that the people who argue most vociferously for a hands-off approach when it come to government and economies, will in the next breath defend the idea of that same stupid and venal government (made up of fellow citizens with feet of clay, I remind us all) having the power to put men with assault weapons on our street corners. No matter what good reasons are given, these guys WILL end up doing ''police'' duty. It''s inevitable. And of course there is still the issue of the tearing down of Posse Comitatus in order to do this to the level that it is apparently being done. Like Glass-Steagall with the banking system, Posse Comitatus was a response to real abuses. We forget the lessons and tear these walls - built by people who witnessed and lived through the abuses - down at our peril. I will say that many of the reasons for this are compelling. I am not immune to their persuasiveness. But the reasons are ALWAYS compelling, and the end seems always to be the same. Abuse of powers granted. This is not a ''special case'' situation, from what I read, but a true and lasting change to the way the military will be used domestically from here on out. People need to pay attention. But they probably won''t. (shrug)
That said, I think at this point the Obama thing is a tempest in a teacup - it is a far cry from a soundbyte during a campaign to actual execution, and of far less concern than what Bush has already set in motion, and made possible. "
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