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Date: 8/8/2008 10:20:10 PM
Author: Rhino
Greetings Wink,
Let me clarify.
Firstly ... yes. My agenda is truthfulness in communicating the facts. I see and have seen precision cut diamonds that produce a Hearts pattern that is different from the ''traditional'' and I know for a fact that they are not in any way failurers or inferior by any definition of the word. FACT: Not according to GIA standards. FACT: Not according to AGS standards and not according to any standards of *precision* that are observed beyond GIA and AGS specs for what they consider to be their top of the line. Not from an aesthetic standpoint with regards to patterning, nor (and most importantly) from any gemological standpoint whatsoever.
My agenda is to open the minds of people to see that The world of gemology and specifically 57 facet round brilliant cut diamonds are not limited to only 1 type of Hearts pattern. Here in this country if it looks like one, smells like one and tastes like ... it is one.
This country used to sadly follow a mentality that if you had a different skin color you weren''t fully evolved or developed or a different class of human. The thinking was that if you had a different skin color you weren''t the same. People at that time had a hard time accepting that there is more than one human race yet with varying skin colors. My message is no less different really but on a much less important scale. 2 diamonds can be cut with equal levels of precision, equal levels of light performance and both produce 2 different types of Hearts. One is not true and one is not false. Both are equal. While I respect Japan none of my clients have ever asked me for a Report from Japan nor the opinion of a Japanese gemologist. Yes I am introducing a different type of Hearts pattern but it is no less a Heart than any other and I see no sound reason to discriminate between the 2. Asking which is the ''true'' Heart is akin to the question I posed with the 3 graphics. The fact is all 3 are true Hearts, just 3 different types of Hearts. I don''t need a Japanese lab to define that for me. It would however be accurate to state as John P and I were discussing earlier ... one is traditional while one is newer.
Also, if you do feel strongly about submitting to Japanese authority & definition perhaps you should consider having all of your diamonds submitted to them if you feel its really that important. Until my clients start demanding Japanese lab reports, this issue is moot for me at this point. Japan is not my authority and has ''0'' influence on my purchasing decisions and capital investments. Never has been and Lord willing never will be.
If excerising my right to free speech and voicing my opinion which disagrees with Japan earns me less respect then so be it. Japan is not my authority and they nor anyone has the right to silence me. I am not here presenting misinformation. I am suggesting by way of simple logic and common sense that there is more than one type of Heart pattern. I am a professional in this industry with perhaps more experience in this field than most of my peers in this country and that is my professional opinion.
Wink, really. Can you give me one logical reason why the pattern produced by 82% lower halves should not be called a Heart?
Ugh... you''re not getting it. I am not trying to destroy the old pattern.I am not suggesting the new pattern is better. I am saying it is no less beautiful than the traditional one. I am not saying anything different than the research GIA and AGS have put out on this subject already my friend. What I am saying is that one Hearts pattern should not be discriminated against the other especially when neither demonstrates anything meaningful when it comes to gemology. One is not cut more precise and one does not have superior light performance over another.
Peace,
That is one of the few things you have said in this post that I agree with. YOU and your supporters are the only ones who are saying that I am saying your stone is inferior in any way. I am simply saying your pattern is NOT a H&A pattern, not that it is in any way inferior in light return.
Tomorrow morning when I wake up, your pattern will NOT be a traditional H&A pattern, nor will it be when I wake up in twenty years.
Your pattern may, and probably does have excellent light return. If it has an AGS 0 cut grade then I am sure that it does. That is not the issue here, although you keep trying to make it the issue for some reason.
It simply is NOT a traditional H&A pattern, and yes, I am getting what you are trying to say, but I am obviously talking to someone who does not want to get it that I get it that he is trying to change the argument and the facts and that I am not buying into it.
I would say again that you can not call your butterflies and arrows a Hearts and arrows pattern, but you will not get it no matter how many times I repeat it and I will NEVER acquiesce to your calling it one without saying "horse pucky" should any one ever ask me.
I guess that we shall have to agree to disagree. Personally I think that the vast majority of consumers on this site are smart enough to read the tutorials and make their own decisions. If you want to write one that explains your take on patterning, then have at it. Trying to call your deeply clefted pattern a Heart just will not fly with the majority of consumers, and please spare me the long list of clients that you have convinced that you are right. If they like your diamonds, that I am totally down with. I expect that they are quite beautiful. They just are NOT H&A diamonds by any definition of the accepted standards that have been passed down over the last twenty years, and no I will not be sending my stones to Japan for grading. I have the AGS for that and that they do not use the term Hearts and Arrows on their grading reports that is just fine for me. That AGS 0 grade is what I want, the pattern is a plus that I get for dealing primarily with Paul Slegers at Infinity Diamonds.
Jonathon, you are being very disingenuous by trying to bring race and Japan and other superfluous statements into your post above. There is only one issue here, is this a Hearts and Arrows pattern in the accepted definition that has been in place for over twenty years. You and I both know the answer is no. It may be an inconvenient truth for you, but it is the truth nonetheless.
Wink
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