JohnQuixote
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Was this American?Date: 11/14/2007 12:12:27 PM
Author: Regular Guy
John,
I find it a bit odd you''re referring to this so blithely.
I was for many years in the textbook publishing business...and one year McGraw Hill decided to take Kinkos to court. Too many textbooks being reproduced. They won...and today...you see LOTS of warnings at Kinkos, before you copy.
Why my surprise at your mention?
It does no good for Kinkos to make available something they would call...McConnel like...for Economics...if in fact in substance it is a photocopy of the book.
Likewise...how much clearing of conscience can you have when you call something ''Tiffany like,'' when the target is to produce on target, and effect the same look.
Sorry...I love you guys...but it is my first thought to this discussion.
Clearly...EBay is big, and has deep pockets...but a decision associated with this would seem to have ripples far & wide.
Scope is a definite problem and if you check Greg Fant's comments from 2006 (first post) the answer - as Nicerz has portended - is active policing.Date: 11/14/2007 12:58:33 PM
Author: Maisie
Ebay is so massive now, there is no way they can possibly monitor every single listing. I think thats where the problem is. They rely on members to report listings which don't look right.
But surely someone somewhere has to take responsibility for the Ebay company. If you are going to open up such a huge market, there has to be rules that are enforced....Date: 11/14/2007 1:42:53 PM
Author: milton333
There''s a ton of fraud on eBay, in all product categories. I''m personally familiar with, for example, lots of fraud in expensive telescopes.
EBay is also a worldwide market. A lot of sellers are from Asia and Europe. There are a TON of knockoffs. Lots of knockoff Hermes bags and scarves, for another example, out of Asia.
What, realistically, can eBay do? Some things are obviously, visibly, fraudulent. A $500 ''Hermes'' bag is obviously a fake. But a $1500 supposed ''brand name'' telescope is not demonstrably fake just from its listing.
Sellers are not required to post photos, and it costs money to post photos with your listings. Even those that do, it can be hard to evaluate craftsmanship and logos from blurry photos. Should sellers be unable to list an item unless they pay for photos, and have good digital cam skills?
It''s hard to say. You might be able to develop an algorithm to detect supposed brand name listings with suspiciously low starting prices, but lots of people list at $0.99 and let the bidding go from there, are proud that they offer ''no reserve,'' so buyers think they might get a good deal.
I would say that known offenders should be banned. ''Sockpuppets,'' or multiple user names from the same IP address, should also be banned. Otherwise, I think community policing seems most practical - dissatisfied buyers reporting fraud, or suspected fraud. EBay can''t inspect sellers'' products to see if they''re the real deal. What else can they do to prevent scammers from using the forum?
Or help other sectors start the (lawsuit) concert..., (wake up the dead....Date: 11/14/2007 1:13:07 PM
Author: JohnQuixote
Scope is a definite problem and if you check Greg Fant''s comments from 2006 (first post) the answer - as Nicerz has portended - is active policing.Date: 11/14/2007 12:58:33 PM
Author: Maisie
Ebay is so massive now, there is no way they can possibly monitor every single listing. I think thats where the problem is. They rely on members to report listings which don''t look right.
It''s not counterfeiting per se, but the music industry has had pains in reproduction without consent; from print copies to groups performing and selling music of other composers without permission to the Napster ruckus. Historically, music protectionist groups like ASCAP and the RIAA have brought lawsuits to crack down on such practices and protect their member-artists. In this case it seems to be T&Co looking out for themselves. As a non-eBay guy (therefore no clue) I''m inclined to ask if similar large-scale fraud exists with other things sold on eBay - and can T&Co expect help from other sectors?
"You keep using that word. I donna theenk it means what you theenk it means..."Date: 11/14/2007 12:51:58 PM
Author: Regular Guy
In your linked thread, John... the possibility of the issue of Tiffany being like Scott tissue was raised. I''m not certain it''s not being raised again. You noted there: ''''Tiffany style'' is used in deference to the company which made this particular look popular; buyers understand what the term implies.'' But...is this branding being raised really with EBay?
Date: 11/14/2007 4:02:46 PM
Author: JohnQuixote
''You keep using that word. I donna theenk it means what you theenk it means...''Date: 11/14/2007 12:51:58 PM
Author: Regular Guy
In your linked thread, John... the possibility of the issue of Tiffany being like Scott tissue was raised. I''m not certain it''s not being raised again. You noted there: ''Tiffany style'' is used in deference to the company which made this particular look popular; buyers understand what the term implies.'' But...is this branding being raised really with EBay?
According to Reuters, the AP and a couple of friends at T&Co this is about counterfeiting: Fake jewelry sold as genuine Tiffany products. But I don''t wish to dismiss your thoughts blithelyIra, so if you have other evidence please link me.
Date: 11/14/2007 4:02:46 PM
Author: JohnQuixote
'You keep using that word. I donna theenk it means what you theenk it means...'Date: 11/14/2007 12:51:58 PM
Author: Regular Guy
In your linked thread, John... the possibility of the issue of Tiffany being like Scott tissue was raised. I'm not certain it's not being raised again. You noted there: 'Tiffany style' is used in deference to the company which made this particular look popular; buyers understand what the term implies.' But...is this branding being raised really with EBay?
According to Reuters, the AP and a couple of friends at T&Co this is about counterfeiting: Fake jewelry sold as genuine Tiffany products. But I don't wish to dismiss your thoughts blithelyIra, so if you have other evidence please link me.
Ok...please...will one of you tell?Date: 11/14/2007 5:03:15 PM
Author: Maisie
Date: 11/14/2007 4:02:46 PM
Author: JohnQuixote
''You keep using that word. I donna theenk it means what you theenk it means...''Date: 11/14/2007 12:51:58 PM
Author: Regular Guy
In your linked thread, John... the possibility of the issue of Tiffany being like Scott tissue was raised. I''m not certain it''s not being raised again. You noted there: ''Tiffany style'' is used in deference to the company which made this particular look popular; buyers understand what the term implies.'' But...is this branding being raised really with EBay?
According to Reuters, the AP and a couple of friends at T&Co this is about counterfeiting: Fake jewelry sold as genuine Tiffany products. But I don''t wish to dismiss your thoughts blithelyIra, so if you have other evidence please link me.
Ha!! I know what this means!! I''ve seen the movie!!
DittoDate: 11/14/2007 5:03:15 PM
Author: Maisie
Date: 11/14/2007 4:02:46 PM
Author: JohnQuixote
''You keep using that word. I donna theenk it means what you theenk it means...''Date: 11/14/2007 12:51:58 PM
Author: Regular Guy
In your linked thread, John... the possibility of the issue of Tiffany being like Scott tissue was raised. I''m not certain it''s not being raised again. You noted there: ''Tiffany style'' is used in deference to the company which made this particular look popular; buyers understand what the term implies.'' But...is this branding being raised really with EBay?
According to Reuters, the AP and a couple of friends at T&Co this is about counterfeiting: Fake jewelry sold as genuine Tiffany products. But I don''t wish to dismiss your thoughts blithelyIra, so if you have other evidence please link me.
Ha!! I know what this means!! I''ve seen the movie!!
or you can download a bootleg copy here.Date: 11/14/2007 7:24:20 PM
Author: JohnQuixote
Ira - A great rental at the minimum. Perfect for family night. I'm a proud owner in regular and Blu-Ray.
Date: 11/14/2007 12:49:10 PM
Author: denverappraiser
This has been going on for a long time and eBay and Tifs have been to court over it before. Ebay customarily complains that they are not responsible for the content of advertising there, that they have no opportunity to police what people sell through their venue and pin it on the Internet protection laws. This is ridiculous. Try selling a kidney, your virginity or a machine gun through one of those drop-off stores and see how long your ad lasts before they both pull it and take reprisals against the store. They can and do monitor the content of advertising and they have a huge amount of control over how the sellers behave. They just prefer to ignore copyright violations while enforcing against other sorts of illegal sales.
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Well thank you very muchDate: 11/14/2007 7:24:20 PM
Author: JohnQuixote
Ira - A great rental at the minimum. Perfect for family night. I''m a proud owner in regular and Blu-Ray.
TyCobb and others: Who patrols the illicit selling of prescription drugs via the ''net (someone not very effective maybe)? As illegal trafficking and fraud on the internet grows do you think we''re likely to have a growing cyber-cop presence? Law enforcement is busting ''net child-stalkers, at least, even now.
Maise - welcome to the club. I mean it.
(Anybody want a peanut?)