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Thoughts on this stone please

KirstLWA

KirstLWA

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I’ve requested an IS, ASET and video and will post if I receive them but any initial thoughts on this stones potential?

Thanks so much!!


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It looks nice in the pic. It’s a 60/60 stone, which you may want to google/search for on PS. I had a G/SI1 60/60 diamond (my wife still does), and I loved it. Let us know about the IS/ASET!
 
Thanks @HappyNewLife I would love to see a side by side comparison of your new stunner next to your wife’s 60/60!

What would you say the main differences are? What did you love about it?

I’ve been looking into 60/60 and it seems divisive :lol:
 
I have a 60/60 stone ,compared it to the to modern ideal proportions ideal cuts , the only difference I see is from the side is the hight of the diamond but when you see them face up, they identical . I guess after all reading and so on ,it’s more mind clean ,bcs in real life ,you will not be able to see a drastic difference between well cut 60/60 ,and modern 56/62 stone :Up_to_something2:
 
Thanks Golden_bird.

I wonder if because the crown angle is 34, that the height won't really look that much different anyway compared to the 34.5 that other MRBs have. If you are talking about crown height??

I don't think my untrained eye will notice the difference unless the crown is alot flatter but I want to make sure it is a great performing 60/60 as most of the discussions are based on the performance of MRBs with smaller tables so it is hard to gauge if the proportions of this 60/60 are actually good!

I'd love to see pictures of yours. I looked at your recut post but only saw the GIA cert. Feel free to post some here.
 
KirstLWA said:
I want to make sure it is a great performing 60/60 as most of the discussions are based on the performance of MRBs with smaller tables so it is hard to gauge if the proportions of this 60/60 are actually good!
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There are no "magic" performance that predict performance for 60/60 diamonds. We recommend that you ask for an IS image. But, this stone has a very complimentary CA/PA pairing. The inclusions are a little to visible to *me* (especially with a larger stone).

Are you looking for 60/60 stones, in particular?

I don't recall your budget, but would these suit?
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3872126.htm, 3.05 F VS2
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3685684.htm, 3.03 G VS1
https://www.hpdiamonds.com/en-us/diamonddetail/HPD9329, 2.74 G SI1
https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3943174.htm, 2.639 G SI1
 
Thank you Rocky!!

No, not looking at 60/60 in particular! Just looking for an amazing stone :lol:

I’ll go checkout your suggestions, thanks for those!

Budget is up to $45,000 USD but would like to be below that! No lower then G, eyeclean SI1, preferably a stone my vendor can call in!

Thanks again!
 
Ok. Well, the stones I linked are beyond that budget and in-house. Let me look around. That's a pretty tall order for a 3 carat, but I'll have a look.

Edited to add, do you know that you can see the difference between G and H? AGS are generally stricter on cut and GIA on color. So, just want to set my parameters.
 
I’ve been considering that HPD one but my problem is that I need a ring made to match my 2 existing bands and my vendor won’t use stones not purchased through them.

I’m in Australia so don’t want to shop my bands away so not sure what my options are with getting a CBI or ACA!
 
Yes, I’ll need to stay at G, colour sensitive below that!

Happy with something under 3 but above 2.6 or so! How picky is that haha!!
 
KirstLWA said:
I’ve been considering that HPD one but my problem is that I need a ring made to match my 2 existing bands and my vendor won’t use stones not purchased through them.

I’m in Australia so don’t want to shop my bands away so not sure what my options are with getting a CBI or ACA!
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I would reach out to both vendors and discuss with him. With good measurements and photos, I see no reason they can't match your your existing bands. They are not that intricate or technically difficult. You could also ask that Wink if they can send you a wax and mail that to you of the ring (assuming you go custom and not stock setting). That will ensure you can compare directly to your bands before they cast the ring.

Back in my youth, we would use a modelling clay to make a mold of an existing ring. That allowed the owner to keep the ring, while we had a good impression, to build a wax to work off of. Not sure folks still do this in the CAD-3D world, but worth chatting with the vendors.

I'm slightly partial to CBI and if there is something in budget, I'd start there.
 
I think if I can get some help looking at virtual stones first, it might be less stressful, a good option as a last resort though!

I’m a bit pedantic and have sent my ring back 3 times for refinements and this obviously can’t happen across the world!

I’d love some help if you’ve got the time to find a great virtual stone!
 
I'll keep looking, but right this minute (before v-day), a lot of the great options have been snapped up. Its even more of a needle in a haystack!
 
I know, my timing isn’t great! Started looking at Christmas when all the good ones went as well! :roll
 
Well, no harm talking with wink at CBI to see what possibilities exist while we look on the opeN market.
 
KirstLWA said:
Thanks @HappyNewLife I would love to see a side by side comparison of your new stunner next to your wife’s 60/60!

What would you say the main differences are? What did you love about it?

I’ve been looking into 60/60 and it seems divisive :lol:
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My wife’s ring is always so dirty, and getting it off her hand is difficult (its right), haha. The biggest difference is the size (mine is now ~3 carats, hers is 1.7), haha. But the ACA throws fire and deep sparkles, while hers is white flashes and not as deep
 
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HappyNewLife said:
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I love The rings !! Having both stones ,side by side ,can you plz tell me if she regrets not upgrading and getting super ideal ? Or plz tell me your thoughts on it :))
 
Golden_bird said:
I love The rings !! Having both stones ,side by side ,can you plz tell me if she regrets not upgrading and getting super ideal ? Or plz tell me your thoughts on it :))
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She loves her ring and isn’t diamond obsessed like I am. We may upgrade hers in the future, but that will require saving some $, lol.
 
KirstLWA said:
@rockysalamander do you have any thoughts on this one?

https://enchanteddiamonds.com/diamonds/view/R280-271Z73909?

I would prefer a thin-medium girdle but at some stage I am going to have to settle so not sure what I should settle on!! Anyway, the above has all the images (which I can't interpret) but hopefully you can let me know if this one is ok?

Thanks.
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Not really a big fan of this one. The inclusions on the girdle likely will be pretty visible and the light return is not great. For the size and money, I just don't think it worthy.

This worth putting on hold and getting an IS.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...-e-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-421538

Not quite the size you wanted (and I was not looking for IF), but this nice.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...-g-color-if-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-4286952

I really like this. Good numbers.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...-color-vvs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3651397
 
rockysalamander said:
Not really a big fan of this one. The inclusions on the girdle likely will be pretty visible and the light return is not great. For the size and money, I just don't think it worthy.

This worth putting on hold and getting an IS.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...-e-color-vs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-421538

Not quite the size you wanted (and I was not looking for IF), but this nice.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...-g-color-if-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-4286952

I really like this. Good numbers.
https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...-color-vvs2-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-3651397
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Thanks Rocky. I have requested IS/ASET on the top 2. The third choice got over 3 on HCA so didn't bother with it.

Will post when I receive anything. Thanks again.
 
Just to update, diamond 1 was graded in 2014 so not sure what it is like now and don't want pre-owned.

The G, IF they can't provide images for.

This is hard work hahaha!!
 
KirstLWA said:
Just to update, diamond 1 was graded in 2014 so not sure what it is like now and don't want pre-owned.

The G, IF they can't provide images for.

This is hard work hahaha!!
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I misread the numbers on #3, glad you caught this.

On the 2014 stone, just have them send it back to GIA to confirm that it is the same. Some >20% of diamonds on the market are estimated to be "pre-owned". Many pre-owned simply get re-papered. So, you are seeing them as having a current certification date, but they were actually re-certified. The only way to guarantee that the stone is not pre-owned would be to buy a branded cut (Whiteflash ACA, HighPerformanceDiamonds CBI, Brian Gavin Blue and Select, GoodOldGold Ascendency, Solsefera; Victor Canera, etc.). With rare exceptions, these are all stones that have rough sourced directly and so the stone you are seeing is newly cut. JA's TH is just a labelled added to existing cut stones within a set of criteria.

So, if not pre-owned is critical to you, then I'd stick with one of the vendors that source their own rough. If not, then if you have a stone with an older cert, just have it sent back to GIA/AGS for re-certification.
 
Thanks @rockysalamander

I asked about a re-cert but they said I’d have to buy it and get it regraded myself!

So stones that are graded say January 2018 might be a pre owned stone regraded? Never thought of that!!

Oh well, at least it means I don’t have to buy it then get it certed like JA said!
 
KirstLWA said:
Thanks @rockysalamander

I asked about a re-cert but they said I’d have to buy it and get it regraded myself!

So stones that are graded say January 2018 might be a pre owned stone regraded? Never thought of that!!

Oh well, at least it means I don’t have to buy it then get it certed like JA said!
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The color is really driving the price at this size. Maybe you can go visit a Super-ideal dealer and be sure that you still need such a high color in super-ideal. I think if you can drop to H, you'll find more in your budget. Leave your wallet at home, they are often called "Wallets on Fire".

http://www.heartsonfire.com/where-to-buy/hearts-on-fire-in-cities-near-you/australia.aspx

You could also reach out to Gary Halloway (https://www.hollowaydiamonds.com.au/) who is the inventor of the HCA tool. Maybe he is located nearby.
 
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