"they don''t make ''em like that anymore..."

[Cehrabehra]

Its true - they really don''t LOL I read this in Ellen''s thread and it struck me. They don''t make them like that and yet we COVET the ones that are made like that, both in antique and reproduction. Made me start thinking... what are they going to say in 100 years about *this* era? "oh they still make them like that"? Or will diamonds depart from cookie cutter and go back to artistry with cutters like diagem becoming public names fetching top dollar for their unique and individualized cuts? Will then the IRB that we see in varying sizes and slightly varying hues in almost every thread here be what is then so old fashioned we''d say "they don''t make them like that anymore"? LOL

Basically I wonder what *this* era leaves to the diamond legacy... the 80''s brought bright whiteness and forego fire... now we''re more into fire... but overall what is 1950-2050 really going to leave as its mark... or will it just be optimization?

 

[Ellen]

Great thought Cehra. Where would/could we go from here?

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 4/26/2007 2:39:30 PM
Author: Ellen
Great thought Cehra. Where would/could we go from here?

I'll just wander down a path and see where it goes....

First square emeralds become optimized followed by elongated emeralds, radiants and eventually cushions LOL Then technology improves producing new and better robots that can cut different sized gems from .005 to 50 carats. Okay so maybe one robot doesn't do them all, so we have several robots that each have a specific size, maybe a specific shape they work on. Clarity enhancements and color change enhancements continue to advance and there comes a time when every stone has been truly captured in its ideal state with all "lost" rough becoming smaller ideal diamonds. After a decade of this everyone looks at everyone else's finger and yawns and says okay, this is boring LOL So then Diagem, who is now sitting in a rocker on a porch in the south of france, raises his cane and says, "I've been telling you - up to 85% depth!" and some young whippersnapper goes ooooh and decides that diamonds should be more 3 dimensional and not so focused on THE face up look and this happens to correspond with a HUGE diamond mine found down in south america where every diamond is like 40 carats so diamond sculptures start being carved and glued to pieces of driftwood and thus is reborn the pet rock....

..... Ooop... I think I got off the path a bit there toward the end

 

[kcoursolle]

The era of the factory round.

 

[oldminer]

Its a great question. The rate, the acceleration, of change has vastly increased since the 1899 /1900 period. One would expect this increase to continue for a while, but if the dire predictions of global warming prove true the rate of change in the jewelry and gem field will slow down as the world population copes with necessities instead of luxuries. Technology will bring unexpected benefits and surprises. I'd expect to see more man made gem materials, more variety of cuts and shapes, body decor that is interactive or useful instead of just for adornment.

We'll see gems set in metals and alloys that have not yet been introduced to consumers. There will be pieces that have unusual surface finishes or are so durable that wearing out just won't happen. How about earrings that incorporate Bluetooth so you don't have to wear a separate earpiece? Pendants, smeo set with gems and in precious metal, with locator GPS chips to keep track of aging parents, your spouse or your children. Maybe someone will create a diamond cut that reacts to light in some special way that we have yet to discover?

We are in for quite a few surprises. I sure would like to see a few of them......

 

[Ellen]

LOL Cehra, great post.

oldminer, you raised some real possibilities....Interesting.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 4/26/2007 3:17:00 PM
Author: Ellen
LOL Cehra, great post.

oldminer, you raised some real possibilities....Interesting.

yes, and I will respond more completely to his post later, have to go to a school assembly and watch my 5 year old say his line about how plants need water to grow

In the mean time, I hope others will chime in what the think/suspect/fear/hope will be the future of The Diamond...

 

[pricescope]

Date: 4/26/2007 3:11:16 PM
Author: oldminer
Its a great question. The rate, the acceleration, of change has vastly increased since the 1899 /1900 period. One would expect this increase to continue for a while, but if the dire predictions of global warming prove true the rate of change in the jewelry and gem field will slow down as the world population copes with necessities instead of luxuries. Technology will bring unexpected benefits and surprises. I'd expect to see more man made gem materials, more variety of cuts and shapes, body decor that is interactive or useful instead of just for adornment.

We'll see gems set in metals and alloys that have not yet been introduced to consumers. There will be pieces that have unusual surface finishes or are so durable that wearing out just won't happen. How about earrings that incorporate Bluetooth so you don't have to wear a separate earpiece? Pendants, smeo set with gems and in precious metal, with locator GPS chips to keep track of aging parents, your spouse or your children. Maybe someone will create a diamond cut that reacts to light in some special way that we have yet to discover?

We are in for quite a few surprises. I sure would like to see a few of them......

OK that's just creepy, Dave

especially considering only a wife not a husband wears diamonds. hmm...

How about using that GPS to locate the diamond itself lost or stolen?

 

[Ellen]

Date: 4/26/2007 3:45:37 PM
Author: Pricescope

Date: 4/26/2007 3:11:16 PM
Author: oldminer
Its a great question. The rate, the acceleration, of change has vastly increased since the 1899 /1900 period. One would expect this increase to continue for a while, but if the dire predictions of global warming prove true the rate of change in the jewelry and gem field will slow down as the world population copes with necessities instead of luxuries. Technology will bring unexpected benefits and surprises. I''d expect to see more man made gem materials, more variety of cuts and shapes, body decor that is interactive or useful instead of just for adornment.

We''ll see gems set in metals and alloys that have not yet been introduced to consumers. There will be pieces that have unusual surface finishes or are so durable that wearing out just won''t happen. How about earrings that incorporate Bluetooth so you don''t have to wear a separate earpiece? Pendants, smeo set with gems and in precious metal, with locator GPS chips to keep track of aging parents, your spouse or your children. Maybe someone will create a diamond cut that reacts to light in some special way that we have yet to discover?

We are in for quite a few surprises. I sure would like to see a few of them......

OK that''s just creepy, Dave

especially considering only a wife not a husband wears diamonds. hmm...

How about using that GPS to locate the diamond itself lost or stolen?

LOL

Not a bad idea on finding the stone itself!

 

[diagem]

Creativity!!! That is the future of Diamonds!!!
Members of this industry (especialy the younger newer generation) are changing this Gem industry from the primitive fashion it used to conduct itself for Centuries.

Like I wrote before..., "Small people with big ideas will be more dominant in this business than big people with small ideas"!

Information is the most valueable asset! And is becoming reachable by all who are willing to spend their time locating it. Take for example PS''ers..., I have been a long time involved in Diamonds..., I am astonished by the amounts of PS''ers who have more (technical) knowledge in Diamonds than merchants who have been working this profession for decades.

Jewelers with no knowledge in Diamonds connect with Diamond manufacturers who have no knowledge with jewelry..., and they learn to complement each other. Something that 5-10 years ago did not exist. The younger generation in this business notice these oportunities and fill these gaps. Fom these gaps creativity is born...

In regards to GPSing Diamonds for the purpose of locating them..., One of the many mysteries of Diamonds is:
We have no ability to identify its true origin when polished...., believe me we wont be able to track its future....

But there is a world of ideas just around the corner........

 

[FireGoddess]

Talk about scary...I thought the future of diamonds is making them from our loved ones and pets. Have you seen those ads?!!! That way you can wear anyone who has passed away so they''re always with you!

 

[pricescope]

Diagem, there are ways, not one, to mark a diamond at the mine technically, they are not just researched and implemented yet - implantation, radiation making, inclusion mapping ...
Diamond structure is the most researched in semiconductor field as the most first - known and the second - the most promising.

 

[diagem]

Date: 4/26/2007 7:25:21 PM
Author: Pricescope
Diagem, there are ways, not one, to mark a diamond at the mine technically, they are not just researched and implemented yet - implantation, radiation making, inclusion mapping ...
Diamond structure is the most researched in semiconductor field as the most first - known and the second - the most promising.

True, Hologram is one that was used by DeBeers. But I think they stopped that method for some reason. (clarity reasons??? Maybe?)

But as you said..., at the mine.

I still believe that once a Diamond is polished it is imposible to track back to a specific mine unless it is mined/cut/polished/ in the same location and then issued an ID to enter the rest of the world...(what the Canadian''s are trying to do.)

Inclusion mapping is interesting..., but i assume maping inclusions in rough is totaly different from maping them from polished...

 

[pricescope]

Date: 4/27/2007 1:08:19 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 4/26/2007 7:25:21 PM
Author: Pricescope
Diagem, there are ways, not one, to mark a diamond at the mine technically, they are not just researched and implemented yet - implantation, radiation making, inclusion mapping ...
Diamond structure is the most researched in semiconductor field as the most first - known and the second - the most promising.

True, Hologram is one that was used by DeBeers. But I think they stopped that method for some reason. (clarity reasons??? Maybe?)

But as you said..., at the mine.

I still believe that once a Diamond is polished it is imposible to track back to a specific mine unless it is mined/cut/polished/ in the same location and then issued an ID to enter the rest of the world...(what the Canadian's are trying to do.)

Inclusion mapping is interesting..., but i assume maping inclusions in rough is totaly different from maping them from polished...

Imagine that you don't connect inclusions to the outside shape of the rough (or polished diamond) BUT to each-other in 3D model, choosing those inside the rough (which will make it to the polished).

Why nothing is used now? I guess it's the same reason as always - economically inefficient. Rough is flying out of mines anyway, is it right?

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 4/26/2007 3:45:37 PM
Author: Pricescope

Date: 4/26/2007 3:11:16 PM
Author: oldminer
Its a great question. The rate, the acceleration, of change has vastly increased since the 1899 /1900 period. One would expect this increase to continue for a while, but if the dire predictions of global warming prove true the rate of change in the jewelry and gem field will slow down as the world population copes with necessities instead of luxuries. Technology will bring unexpected benefits and surprises. I''d expect to see more man made gem materials, more variety of cuts and shapes, body decor that is interactive or useful instead of just for adornment.

We''ll see gems set in metals and alloys that have not yet been introduced to consumers. There will be pieces that have unusual surface finishes or are so durable that wearing out just won''t happen. How about earrings that incorporate Bluetooth so you don''t have to wear a separate earpiece? Pendants, smeo set with gems and in precious metal, with locator GPS chips to keep track of aging parents, your spouse or your children. Maybe someone will create a diamond cut that reacts to light in some special way that we have yet to discover?

We are in for quite a few surprises. I sure would like to see a few of them......

OK that''s just creepy, Dave

especially considering only a wife not a husband wears diamonds. hmm...

How about using that GPS to locate the diamond itself lost or stolen?

Hey PS - men wear diamonds! Our esteemed Dave wears a diamond LOL Maybe his wife wants it chipped - and by chipped I mean microchip LOL!!!

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 4/26/2007 4:31:09 PM
Author: Ellen

Date: 4/26/2007 3:45:37 PM
Author: Pricescope

Date: 4/26/2007 3:11:16 PM
Author: oldminer
Its a great question. The rate, the acceleration, of change has vastly increased since the 1899 /1900 period. One would expect this increase to continue for a while, but if the dire predictions of global warming prove true the rate of change in the jewelry and gem field will slow down as the world population copes with necessities instead of luxuries. Technology will bring unexpected benefits and surprises. I''d expect to see more man made gem materials, more variety of cuts and shapes, body decor that is interactive or useful instead of just for adornment.

We''ll see gems set in metals and alloys that have not yet been introduced to consumers. There will be pieces that have unusual surface finishes or are so durable that wearing out just won''t happen. How about earrings that incorporate Bluetooth so you don''t have to wear a separate earpiece? Pendants, smeo set with gems and in precious metal, with locator GPS chips to keep track of aging parents, your spouse or your children. Maybe someone will create a diamond cut that reacts to light in some special way that we have yet to discover?

We are in for quite a few surprises. I sure would like to see a few of them......

OK that''s just creepy, Dave

especially considering only a wife not a husband wears diamonds. hmm...

How about using that GPS to locate the diamond itself lost or stolen?

LOL

Not a bad idea on finding the stone itself!

I forget who I was talking to, but someone and I decided we just needed a ring that hovered over our finger so that if it got knocked it would just move out of the way and go back into position... no need for prongs or anything LOL

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 4/26/2007 3:11:16 PM
Author: oldminer
Its a great question. The rate, the acceleration, of change has vastly increased since the 1899 /1900 period. One would expect this increase to continue for a while, but if the dire predictions of global warming prove true the rate of change in the jewelry and gem field will slow down as the world population copes with necessities instead of luxuries. Technology will bring unexpected benefits and surprises. I''d expect to see more man made gem materials, more variety of cuts and shapes, body decor that is interactive or useful instead of just for adornment.

We''ll see gems set in metals and alloys that have not yet been introduced to consumers. There will be pieces that have unusual surface finishes or are so durable that wearing out just won''t happen. How about earrings that incorporate Bluetooth so you don''t have to wear a separate earpiece? Pendants, smeo set with gems and in precious metal, with locator GPS chips to keep track of aging parents, your spouse or your children. Maybe someone will create a diamond cut that reacts to light in some special way that we have yet to discover?

We are in for quite a few surprises. I sure would like to see a few of them......

I am so open to this... I am NOT a purist. I really could care less about the elite status of the metal on my finger as long as it looks pretty, is durable (shiny stays shiny, matte stays matte), strong and protective, and doesn''t have some sort of chemical interaction with my skin. Pretty is subjective of course, but for me it isn''t about the name "gold" or "platinum". Or even how pure it is. I prefer 14k gold rings over 18k LOL

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 4/26/2007 5:32:41 PM
Author: DiaGem

Creativity!!! That is the future of Diamonds!!!
Members of this industry (especialy the younger newer generation) are changing this Gem industry from the primitive fashion it used to conduct itself for Centuries.

Like I wrote before..., ''Small people with big ideas will be more dominant in this business than big people with small ideas''!

Information is the most valueable asset! And is becoming reachable by all who are willing to spend their time locating it. Take for example PS''ers..., I have been a long time involved in Diamonds..., I am astonished by the amounts of PS''ers who have more (technical) knowledge in Diamonds than merchants who have been working this profession for decades.

Jewelers with no knowledge in Diamonds connect with Diamond manufacturers who have no knowledge with jewelry..., and they learn to complement each other. Something that 5-10 years ago did not exist. The younger generation in this business notice these oportunities and fill these gaps. Fom these gaps creativity is born...

In regards to GPSing Diamonds for the purpose of locating them..., One of the many mysteries of Diamonds is:
We have no ability to identify its true origin when polished...., believe me we wont be able to track its future....

But there is a world of ideas just around the corner........

first off I *love* your quote above... it could apply to other things as well

And yeah its possible someday that diamonds could be tracked with a thin near invisible film of some sort... but...

My husband is in the computer industry, more specifically the semiconductor industry, and the technology they use is way beyond that which I''ve seen with diamonds. I always think of diamonds as this very wealthy industry, and there definitely is *some* money being put into diamond research and development, but they''re still being measured in tenths and hundredths of mm rather than thousands or millions LOL!! Can you imagine arguing here over a nanometer? LOL Of course YOU couldn''t

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 4/26/2007 7:20:08 PM
Author: FireGoddess
Talk about scary...I thought the future of diamonds is making them from our loved ones and pets. Have you seen those ads?!!! That way you can wear anyone who has passed away so they''re always with you!

I''ve seen these and they don''t bother me at all. In fact I think it''s pretty cool! There''s this part at the beginning of "man in the moon marigolds" about how we are all made of stars and I think "dust to dust" could mean compressed carbon - why not? LOL

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 4/27/2007 9:43:21 AM
Author: Pricescope

Imagine that you don''t connect inclusions to the outside shape of the rough (or polished diamond) BUT to each-other in 3D model, choosing those inside the rough (which will make it to the polished).

Why nothing is used now? I guess it''s the same reason as always - economically inefficient. Rough is flying out of mines anyway, is it right?

that is so interesting really... I was talking to someone recently about my diamond... I really wish I knew where on the earth it emerged. I don''t care about the names of the cartels or whatever, I would just love to know where it was born. Based on the cut etc. they thought they knew who cut the stone (but of course would not tell me) and that it probably came out of russia... I pretty much knew it wasn''t canadian (cause they like to brag about that lol) but I guess I assumed it came out of africa... but no matter where it came, it would be nice to just *know* from which country it came... there is nothing close to full disclosure in the diamond industry and its a wonder the kimberly act tracking papers (whatever they''re called) can be trusted at all when it seems if you ask where your stone came from the answer you get is "I don''t know but I''m sure it''s conflict free" LOL um, how can you know this if you don''t even know what continent it came from???

I think 3D mapping of the inclusions inside (like constellations) is a very interesting idea! Every stone would have a fingerprint...

 

[diagem]

Date: 4/27/2007 9:43:21 AM
Author: Pricescope

Date: 4/27/2007 1:08:19 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 4/26/2007 7:25:21 PM
Author: Pricescope
Diagem, there are ways, not one, to mark a diamond at the mine technically, they are not just researched and implemented yet - implantation, radiation making, inclusion mapping ...
Diamond structure is the most researched in semiconductor field as the most first - known and the second - the most promising.

True, Hologram is one that was used by DeBeers. But I think they stopped that method for some reason. (clarity reasons??? Maybe?)

But as you said..., at the mine.

I still believe that once a Diamond is polished it is imposible to track back to a specific mine unless it is mined/cut/polished/ in the same location and then issued an ID to enter the rest of the world...(what the Canadian''s are trying to do.)

Inclusion mapping is interesting..., but i assume maping inclusions in rough is totaly different from maping them from polished...

Imagine that you don''t connect inclusions to the outside shape of the rough (or polished diamond) BUT to each-other in 3D model, choosing those inside the rough (which will make it to the polished).

Interesting posibility..., although cutters usually aim to cut as many inclusions out of the rough stone while fashioning it into a polished stone.



Why nothing is used now? I guess it''s the same reason as always - economically inefficient. Rough is flying out of mines anyway, is it right?
Yes, realy flying out....

But as far as the tracking of a polished Diamond..., I am trying to point out that once a Diamond went missing or lost (or stolen)..., one can recut a Diamond, and it will be "almost" imposible to track...

It would be economically efficient to map 3-D inclusions on "Important Historic Diamonds" just in case..., no?

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 4/27/2007 11:39:31 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 4/27/2007 9:43:21 AM
Author: Pricescope

Date: 4/27/2007 1:08:19 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 4/26/2007 7:25:21 PM
Author: Pricescope
Diagem, there are ways, not one, to mark a diamond at the mine technically, they are not just researched and implemented yet - implantation, radiation making, inclusion mapping ...
Diamond structure is the most researched in semiconductor field as the most first - known and the second - the most promising.

True, Hologram is one that was used by DeBeers. But I think they stopped that method for some reason. (clarity reasons??? Maybe?)

But as you said..., at the mine.

I still believe that once a Diamond is polished it is imposible to track back to a specific mine unless it is mined/cut/polished/ in the same location and then issued an ID to enter the rest of the world...(what the Canadian''s are trying to do.)

Inclusion mapping is interesting..., but i assume maping inclusions in rough is totaly different from maping them from polished...

Imagine that you don''t connect inclusions to the outside shape of the rough (or polished diamond) BUT to each-other in 3D model, choosing those inside the rough (which will make it to the polished).

Interesting posibility..., although cutters usually aim to cut as many inclusions out of the rough stone while fashioning it into a polished stone.



Why nothing is used now? I guess it''s the same reason as always - economically inefficient. Rough is flying out of mines anyway, is it right?
Yes, realy flying out....

But as far as the tracking of a polished Diamond..., I am trying to point out that once a Diamond went missing or lost (or stolen)..., one can recut a Diamond, and it will be ''almost'' imposible to track...

It would be economically efficient to map 3-D inclusions on ''Important Historic Diamonds'' just in case..., no?

they were able to trace the history of the hope, but granted, not a lot of blue rough like that laying around LOL

 

[diagem]

Date: 4/27/2007 12:01:28 PM
Author: Cehrabehra

Date: 4/27/2007 11:39:31 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 4/27/2007 9:43:21 AM
Author: Pricescope

Date: 4/27/2007 1:08:19 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 4/26/2007 7:25:21 PM
Author: Pricescope
Diagem, there are ways, not one, to mark a diamond at the mine technically, they are not just researched and implemented yet - implantation, radiation making, inclusion mapping ...
Diamond structure is the most researched in semiconductor field as the most first - known and the second - the most promising.

True, Hologram is one that was used by DeBeers. But I think they stopped that method for some reason. (clarity reasons??? Maybe?)

But as you said..., at the mine.

I still believe that once a Diamond is polished it is imposible to track back to a specific mine unless it is mined/cut/polished/ in the same location and then issued an ID to enter the rest of the world...(what the Canadian's are trying to do.)

Inclusion mapping is interesting..., but i assume maping inclusions in rough is totaly different from maping them from polished...

Imagine that you don't connect inclusions to the outside shape of the rough (or polished diamond) BUT to each-other in 3D model, choosing those inside the rough (which will make it to the polished).

Interesting posibility..., although cutters usually aim to cut as many inclusions out of the rough stone while fashioning it into a polished stone.



Why nothing is used now? I guess it's the same reason as always - economically inefficient. Rough is flying out of mines anyway, is it right?
Yes, realy flying out....

But as far as the tracking of a polished Diamond..., I am trying to point out that once a Diamond went missing or lost (or stolen)..., one can recut a Diamond, and it will be 'almost' imposible to track...

It would be economically efficient to map 3-D inclusions on 'Important Historic Diamonds' just in case..., no?

they were able to trace the history of the hope, but granted, not a lot of blue rough like that laying around LOL

True..., but some historians are still debating on a posibility of a missing part of the "French Blue"....
And as far as the "Koh-i-noor".... they (historians) have not been able to agree on its origins...

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 4/27/2007 12:12:42 PM
Author: DiaGem
True..., but some historians are still debating on a posibility of a missing part of the ''French Blue''....
And as far as the ''Koh-i-noor''.... they (historians) have not been able to agree on its origins...

diagem... would you start a thread and share some more of your unusual cuts... like your blue hex or things equally interesting?

 

[pricescope]

"Midbody Mapping" and "GPS"- kind of tracking are 2 different technologies for 2 different purposes and require 2 different reading devices having only one thing in common - they are both nonexistent

.
I even brought them up just because Dave spooked me about my boss tracking me up.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 4/27/2007 12:38:36 PM
Author: Pricescope
''Midbody Mapping'' and ''GPS''- kind of tracking are 2 different technologies for 2 different purposes and require 2 different reading devices having only one thing in common - they are both nonexistent

.
I even brought them up just because Dave spooked me about my boss tracking me up.

I think the GPS tracking would be a bit harder because it would involve implanting an inclusion essentially - or putting a film on the stone (which I suppose could color it?) but what if it needed servicing? LOL!

The midbody mapping could be done now.... and what I mean is we are technologically advanced enough, it just hasn''t necessarily been thrown in this direction yet. I think it would be useful for establishing earliest provenance. Not to mention aid in kimberly act hand to hand transaction tracing. Be kinda ridiculous to do every last diamond amongst millions of melee etc. but for everything over 2 carats at least...

I do wonder how they keep track of all of the kimberly act papers etc when if you ask they say they have no idea where your stone came from - just ::patpatpat:: on the head "it''s all kosher".