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I was browsing around online last night and two stones caught my eye. Both are on JamesAllen.com They are the following:

Diamond Details
Item Number: 1204035 $3330. no longer avail.
Shape: Round
Carat weight: 0.85
Cut: Ideal
Color: G
Clarity: VS2
Certificate: AGS

Depth: 61.3%
Table: 56.3%
Polish: Ideal
Symmetry: Ideal
Girdle: Thin to medium
Culet: None
Fluorescence: Negligible
Measurements: 6.11*6.13*3.75

Crown Angle: 35.0°
Crown %: 15.30
pavilion Angle: 40.8°
pavilion %: 42.90

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Diamond Details
Item Number: 1193597 $3440.
Shape: Round
Carat weight: 0.87
Cut: Ideal
Color: G
Clarity: VS1
Certificate: GIA

Depth: 61.6%
Table: 55.0%
Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Very Good
Girdle: Thin to medium
Culet: None
Fluorescence: Negligible
Measurements: 6.15*6.19*3.80


The first one that now is no longer avail I liked a little better because of the "Ideal" Polish and Symmetry. The second one looks like a nice stone too I thought. The stones are at an online vender who is a board "sponsor" or pretty represented. They also have a band that would work very well, a pave band. My requirements during the search were the following: .85 - 1.05 ct, Round, DEFG Color, VS2 or better, $3700. or less.

anyone have any opinions?
 
The second diamond has potential, can you post the angles please? It might be best to stay with the vendor who has the setting you say you like.
 
they are not listed, I could call and see if they can provide them. I think I may have found two other stones that are better... this is crazy! :)

different locations:

Stone "A"
Shape: Round
Carat weight: 0.77
Cut: Hearts & Arrows Ideal
Color: G
Clarity: VVS2
Certificate: AGS

Depth: 61.9%
Table: 54.8%
Polish: Ideal
Symmetry: Ideal
Girdle: Thin to slightly thick
Culet:
Fluorescence: Negligible
Measurements: 5.87*5.88*3.64

Crown Angle: 34.5°
Crown %: 15.60
pavilion Angle: 40.8°
pavilion %: 43.10




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Stone "B"
Shape: Round
Carat weight: 0.80
Cut: Hearts & Arrows Ideal
Color: G
Clarity: VS1
Certificate: AGS

Depth: 61.5%
Table: 55.8%
Polish: Ideal
Symmetry: Ideal
Girdle: Thin to slightly thick
Culet:
Fluorescence: Negligible
Measurements: 5.96*6.00*3.68

Crown Angle: 34.7°
Crown %: 51.30
pavilion Angle: 40.8°
pavilion %: 42.90



Stone "A" is $460 less than the second slightly larger one "B". I think stone "A" is the better value... it has higher rated clarity and is only 3/10 ct smaller... anyone concur?
 
Both look great, as to which to pick it depends on what you value most and budget - do you have hearts and arrows images as these diamonds are advertised as such?
 
would that be the idealscope images? the red and black ones?

side note, how do you figure a stones "HCA" rating?
 
Date: 1/21/2009 3:35:22 PM
Author: 2.5rs
would that be the idealscope images? the red and black ones?

side note, how do you figure a stones 'HCA' rating?
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Idealscope images or h&a viewers can show arrows, hearts are seen in the underside of the diamond in a viewer and these are a critical factor to judge a h&a diamond. Further reading below -

http://diamonds.pricescope.com/hna.asp

As to the HCA rating, this tool is used to eliminate diamonds, not select them. The aim is to score below 2 then such diamonds are considered a 'pass for possible purchase' pending further evaluation with Idealscope and other methods. With the 2 diamonds you are considering, they have an AGS0 cut grade and excellent proportions so the use of the HCA is limited and those 2 diamonds will have a desirable score anyway, but you can go ahead and run the numbers through if you wish.

https://www.pricescope.com/cutadviser.asp
 
They have arrow images... but no hearts:


Stone "A"


Stone "B"


lets see if those work...
 
Date: 1/21/2009 3:51:38 PM
Author: 2.5rs
They have arrow images... but no hearts:


Stone ''A''


Stone ''B''


lets see if those work...
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Those images look great, the thing is we are always taught that you need hearts images to properly judge a h&a diamond so without them it is hard to say, but the images look good so the diamonds are definitely worth consideration.
 
I emailed requesting "hearts" images. Once I receive them I will post them up. Is it possible that a diamond could produce (what look to me to be) nice "arrows" and crappy hearts? I did the HCA and "A" came up with 1.3 ''excellent'' for light return, fire, scintilaltion and ''very good'' for spread. "B" came up a 1.4 with the exact same descriptions for everything else.

is there private messaging ability on this forum? I can''t find it!
 
Date: 1/22/2009 12:08:05 PM
Author: 2.5rs
I emailed requesting 'hearts' images. Once I receive them I will post them up. Is it possible that a diamond could produce (what look to me to be) nice 'arrows' and crappy hearts? I did the HCA and 'A' came up with 1.3 'excellent' for light return, fire, scintilaltion and 'very good' for spread. 'B' came up a 1.4 with the exact same descriptions for everything else.

is there private messaging ability on this forum? I can't find it!
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If you look at some of the images in the link on the h&a tutorial you will see some examples, with the hearts it depends whether they meet the standards of h&a experts. Unfortunately I don't know what criteria James Allen base their eligible h&a diamonds on...No private messaging, sorry. Also all but the shallower diamonds get a VG for spread, so this is normal.
 

Brian,



Good afternoon, and thank you for your interest in xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. We do not currently offer "hearts" images for any of our diamonds. I can get you an Idealscope image, but both of your selected diamonds currently have them available on the site. Please let me know if I can help you further.



Have a great day,


above is the reply i received in response to my request for 'hearts' images. i have replied asking what criteria they use to determine one of their h&a stones.


another question regarding the 'arrow' images i posted earlier in this thread... does it matter that they appear to have different shades of red/pink in the background/majority of the stone?
 
Date: 1/22/2009 2:07:24 PM
Author: 2.5rs

Brian,




Good afternoon, and thank you for your interest in xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. We do not currently offer ''hearts'' images for any of our diamonds. I can get you an Idealscope image, but both of your selected diamonds currently have them available on the site. Please let me know if I can help you further.




Have a great day,


above is the reply i received in response to my request for ''hearts'' images. i have replied asking what criteria they use to determine one of their h&a stones.


another question regarding the ''arrow'' images i posted earlier in this thread... does it matter that they appear to have different shades of red/pink in the background/majority of the stone?
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Ok, at least we know for sure they don''t supply hearts images. With the IS images I think that the colour in one is stronger than the other, one looks paler - that is probably to do with the lighting or photography and not a fault with the diamonds.
 
This stone (from your first post) is considerably larger than stone A and B:

Diamond Details
Item Number: 1193597 $3440.
Shape: Round
Carat weight: 0.87
Cut: Ideal
Color: G
Clarity: VS1
Certificate: GIA

Depth: 61.6%
Table: 55.0%
Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Very Good
Girdle: Thin to medium
Culet: None
Fluorescence: Negligible
Measurements: 6.15*6.19*3.80

I would definitely not go down to a .77 G VVS2 at 5.87mm. You can''t see very good versus excellent polish and symmetry, but you would be able to see the size difference in these two stones.
 
That's a good point on being able to notice the size difference. the .87 pulled the following on HCA:
Factor Grade
Light Return Very Good
Fire Very Good
Scintillation Very Good
Spread
or diameter for weight Very Good
Total Visual Performance 2.9 - Very Good - Worth buying if the price is right

I put the black dot where the red X was on this HCA image...

the magic question... :) $3440 is less than 4k which is my stone budget... is the price 'right'? I think I'll call tomorrow and see if they can pull a couple of these stones and look at them side by side.
 
Date: 1/22/2009 6:42:53 PM
Author: 2.5rs
That''s a good point on being able to notice the size difference. the .87 pulled the following on HCA:
Factor Grade
Light Return Very Good
Fire Very Good
Scintillation Very Good
Spread
or diameter for weight Very Good
Total Visual Performance 2.9 - Very Good - Worth buying if the price is right

I put the black dot where the red X was on this HCA image...

the magic question... :) $3440 is less than 4k which is my stone budget... is the price ''right''? I think I''ll call tomorrow and see if they can pull a couple of these stones and look at them side by side.
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What are the angles for this diamond?
 
hey, sorry I've been slammed at work today and didn't have time to check the forum. I was able to get this off of the gia report, hope everything shows up clear, it's easier to do this then make sure I transcribe everything correctly!


gia details...............



!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i just noticed that on the above image gia report the cut is listed as "excellent"... but on the website it is listed as ideal......... what's this mean?
 
Date: 1/23/2009 7:03:32 PM
Author: 2.5rs
hey, sorry I''ve been slammed at work today and didn''t have time to check the forum. I was able to get this off of the gia report, hope everything shows up clear, it''s easier to do this then make sure I transcribe everything correctly!


gia details...............



!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i just noticed that on the above image gia report the cut is listed as ''excellent''... but on the website it is listed as ideal......... what''s this mean?
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It has potential, it has a steeper pavilion which can affect HCA scores, I would prefer to see the pavilion angle run between around 40.7 - 41 in this case - do we have an Idealscope image for this diamond?

As to the excellent versus ideal, the actual cut grade is GIA Excellent, the term Ideal is vendor applied and thus doesn''t really mean much.
 
that's unfortunate...

no ideascope image avail on the website either...
 
Date: 1/24/2009 4:36:30 PM
Author: 2.5rs
hmm... the search continues... :)
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You will find the one !!
 
Hoping so, she''s really been on my case the past couple of months! Dec 16, 2008 was our 5 yr anniv. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we''re both at the age (mid to late 20''s) where friends are getting married or have been married and are having kids etc so it''s well due. my younger sister got married last year! :)

oh well... the right one will come along I''m sure.


and btw I REALLY appreciate how helpful and kind everyone has been on here! I frequent car messageboards and have been in that community for a while and understand how some communities aren''t so willing to help ''noobs'' :)
 
Date: 1/24/2009 4:48:27 PM
Author: 2.5rs
Hoping so, she's really been on my case the past couple of months! Dec 16, 2008 was our 5 yr anniv. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we're both at the age (mid to late 20's) where friends are getting married or have been married and are having kids etc so it's well due. my younger sister got married last year! :)

oh well... the right one will come along I'm sure.


and btw I REALLY appreciate how helpful and kind everyone has been on here! I frequent car messageboards and have been in that community for a while and understand how some communities aren't so willing to help 'noobs' :)
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LOL!! Bless your GF, I bet she is so excited!!! You will end up with a gorgeous rock she will adore for putting all this time and effort in, and don't forget we can always help you search if you like.

Thanks for your kind words about Pricescope, many of us have been here a long time and we feel like a family - we certainly are a tight knit community, we try hard to keep the atmosphere friendly and welcoming in order to encourage newbies to post and get the help they need, and to try to keep the information given accurate and reliable, so positive feedback that we are doing a good job is greatly appreciated - thank you!!
 
Is there any particular reason why you aren''t looking at eye clean SI1''s for clarity? Or even H in color? In an ideal cut diamond, the H wont show a hint of color, and if you can''t see it with the naked eye, why pay for it? I know some people like the VS but here are some that fit your budget and are nice as well, just wanted to throw that out there!

LINKY: this one is at goodoldgold.com Jonathan is great to work with, and will take pictures, comparison videos, and has great settings and made the process very comfortable with me. Plus, he has a great upgrade policy and buyback policy.
I realize this stone is at the "lower" end of your budget, but it also has size, you can ask Jonathan if its eyeclean, and he''ll send it to an appraiser and you can view it to see how "white" it is yourself. But I''m 110% sure it''s icy white, with no hint of color. He''ll be able to tell you how "eye" clean it is. My "eye clean" is I can''t find it at all, peroid, from any angle, upon VERY CLOSE INSPECTION meaning: right in my face. He''ll be able to tell you where the inclusion is, etc.

Here is another one LINKY and is an ideal cut diamond. I didn''t realize the first one didn''t state hearts and arrors. Hmm...I''ll contiune my search then...

Here is one that fits your guidelines whiteflash

And something else to consider (if your girl isn''t color sensitive) is to do a search for lower colored ideal cut dimaonds. Here is one that is an AGS ideal cut diamond, that I''m sure to me, would face up WHITE and show no color, and it''s a great price, and WONDERFUL size...yummy! You''d have to make sure its eye clean though Yummy lower color if eye clean stone!

here is another one that if eye clean, is H in color and would be a great stone being an ideal cut diamond linky.
 
redrose: thanks for the links, only one of them is still available! they must be nice stones! lol

to answer your questions:

on clarity, I''m very picky and have a blessing/curse for noticing things, the smallest scratch on a car, the inclusions on a diamond etc. so I was going to VS2 or better just for safety I guess. If there are eye clean (to me) SI''s that would work I would be all for them.

on color, I don''t want to see any color either, I couldn''t believe the thread about the "M" colored stone that in the pics looked great to me. who knows once again as long as it looks good that''s what matters.

my girlfriend is amazing, not a jewelry person (I''m way more picky than she is). she has told me more than once that she will be more than happy with anything I get her. we have been looking long enough and been to enough stores for me to know what she''s looking for. pave band with nice clean (bigger better of course!) center stone and a matching pave wedding band.

You an anyone else are more than welcome to post suggestions that you find anytime!

Thanks again!
 
Date: 1/25/2009 2:51:54 AM
Author: 2.5rs
redrose: thanks for the links, only one of them is still available! they must be nice stones! lol

to answer your questions:

on clarity, I''m very picky and have a blessing/curse for noticing things, the smallest scratch on a car, the inclusions on a diamond etc. so I was going to VS2 or better just for safety I guess. If there are eye clean (to me) SI''s that would work I would be all for them.

on color, I don''t want to see any color either, I couldn''t believe the thread about the ''M'' colored stone that in the pics looked great to me. who knows once again as long as it looks good that''s what matters.

my girlfriend is amazing, not a jewelry person (I''m way more picky than she is). she has told me more than once that she will be more than happy with anything I get her. we have been looking long enough and been to enough stores for me to know what she''s looking for. pave band with nice clean (bigger better of course!) center stone and a matching pave wedding band.

You an anyone else are more than welcome to post suggestions that you find anytime!

Thanks again!
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I understand, VS sounds like a good plan to also be eyeclean as well as '' mindclean'' for you.
 
How about this one L

Shape: Round
Carat weight: 1.01
Cut: Ideal
Color: G
Clarity: SI1
Certificate: GIA

Depth: 62.0%
Table: 55.0%
Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Excellent
Girdle: Thin to medium
Culet: None
Fluorescence: Negligible
Measurements: 6.45*6.51*4.02

I ran it through the HCA and it scored a 2.3 ... "great if the price is right"


Here is a picture of the stone...
 
well the above one is no longer available... someone snagged it... anyone on here?
 
Date: 1/27/2009 3:28:54 PM
Author: 2.5rs
well the above one is no longer available... someone snagged it... anyone on here?
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I am so sorry, I must have missed that last post but never mind, the right diamond is out there - that wasn''t it!
 
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