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The passing of an old flame

TheDoctor

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Some of you may get this, but some may not. It's my obviously biased male perspective on something that kept me awake last night, but stuff happens in life and sometimes it takes a while for the raisded eyebrows to droop back to their normal position. Here's the story, I'll try to avoid turning it into a documentary.

I met a cute young thing when we were both about 12 and had an interest in her, but never actually initiated any sort of serious friendship or dating until we were about 15. She soon became every 15 year old boy's dream. We were a unit throughout high school, joined at the hip. Everyone who knew us expected a marriage to eventually come about, but 16 months or so past graduation it became apparent that we had developed a few conflicts which were too hard to resolve, and that it was better if we went our separate ways.
She immediately took up with my best buddy and the two of them avoided contact with me or most of our group of friends.
They were married a couple of years later, and soon after they joined a pentacostal church and tried to recruit more members from the ranks of old friends. That sealed it, they were on their own. I had met and fallen madly in love with a woman and we were married around the same period of time. Decades have passed and the sands of time had buried a lot of stuff.

She passed away last weekend at the age of 52 after a 3 year battle with breast/brain cancer. Although we have keep in touch minimally, I found out within hours of her passing, and chased down their home phone number to express my condolences to her family.

A few friends and I attended the funeral together yesterday, and got sort of re-acquainted with her in-laws, met her adult son and, of course, expressed my deepest sympathies to her hubby, my good old friend.

The nasty bit of the service came when some friends of hers from church delivered a sort of lengthy eulogy, a joyful celebration of the various stages of her life. Her teen years were nicely condensed and fed to those who had gathered in a fictionalized protrayal of events, and we who were closest to her during that 5 or so years time had to sit, no...squirm... through a glowing account of how she had been trying to bag my buddy from the time she was in grade 6 and that she finally landed him when school ended.
There was no "us", save for one photo which her mother, not associated with the church, had included in a powerpoint presentation. It was her and I, dressed to attend High School Graduation. We definitely looked like a couple. I heard whispering.

That was it. Most everyone left to attend the gathering down the hall, but I couldn't stomach the idea of being there to identify myself to anyone who might wonder about who I was or how I was connected.
Which is worse... to admit your past, to avoid the topic, or to revise the details to the point where the story becomes a lie?

This is not a slight against religion, but the 5 years we spent together must have seemed too inconvenient a truth to share with those who had gathered. Sad, really.
To her credit, she taught me everything I know about how to treat women. She shared with me an intimate knowledge of music, one of her many obsessions. She seduced me, an awkward 16 year old, and it was magic. She made sure I was dressed stylishly and set standards of mature behaviour I was to subscribe to. Her father and mother welcomed me into their home day and night.
She was a big part of my life, and she is gone, but a lot of her remains with me....and that's exactly why I was at her funeral... at 52 years of age, married 28 years with 3 kids and proud to say I knew her.


Uh, I apolgize for the long post, but I feel a little better now getting that out.
Sorry, time to get on with the rest of the day. Thanks for reading if you made it this far.
 
I'm sorry for your loss..... in more way than one. What your friend did to you is a bit un-just. What you hold within you is something you can remember with warmth though.
 
I am so sorry for your sadness. I can't imagine why they would chop you out of her life that way. Everyone has a past, a journey which brings them to the present day. And its not like you two weren't happy when you were a couple. :blackeye:
 
I'm sorry for your loss. She sounds like a wonderful, special person.
 
I am sorry for your loss. It was a lovely gesture that you went to the funeral to pay your respects. However, I do not think that it was "nasty" that you were not mentioned. In fact, I think it would have been highly inappropriate for an old high school boyfriend to be mentioned at the funeral of a married woman in her 50's. Not to mention insensitive to her family, especially given that by your own admission you haven't been in touch in decades and it's not as if you remained close platonic friends. A funeral is hardly the right occasion for a recounting of one's past love affairs. Would you want to sit at your wife's funeral and watch a slideshow of pictures of her with all her past boyfriends? I think her death may be dredging up old feelings you had buried and distorting your view of things - I doubt anyone was staring or gossiping because there was a picture of her in her teens with an old flame since by all accounts she was a happily married and religious woman. I urge you to take a moment to remember her and that time in your life fondly and refocus on the present and your family.
 
November - I think the part that bothered OP is the fact that her "friends" made it seem as if her and her husband were courting all through school, when in fact they were not, and they did cut him off as a close friend.
 
I'm sorry for your loss and think it was wonderful you went to the funeral.

I also don't think it was nasty for them to not have mentioned you. The truth is, in those 3 years of her battling to save her life, her husband was by her side. While she wasn't with him during her youth, in her eyes and in the eyes of others she spent her lifetime with him. Everyone else while significant, were insignificant in comparison. It doesn't mean that she didn't cherish her time with you but her husband was her hand throughout growing up, marriage, children, disease, and then death. I would have been more confused hearing of her love for another man ages ago.
 
dragonfly411|1289944741|2768974 said:
November - I think the part that bothered OP is the fact that her "friends" made it seem as if her and her husband were courting all through school, when in fact they were not, and they did cut him off as a close friend.

Dragonfly - I get that, and I still disagree. I had a very serious bf all through high school. We are still friends today (as are our spouses) and I would certainly attend his funeral if he passed away. I would hope that there would be no mention of me, as it could hurt his wife's feelings at a very delicate time. I would in no way be offended if they made it seem as though his wife were his only love, in fact I would hope they would portray it as such. I stand by my statement that a funeral is no place to recount past liaisons. Do you think a recent widower wants to be reminded of someone who their spouse "seduced" while they are grieving and saying goodbye to a beloved spouse? I for one would not.
 
November - I wasn't saying OP should have been mentioned, what I am saying is that it was disrespectful to state that the old flame and her husband were pursuing each other throughout school when they were not. That is what is disrespectful in my eyes.
 
dragonfly411|1289945218|2768989 said:
November - I wasn't saying OP should have been mentioned, what I am saying is that it was disrespectful to state that the old flame and her husband were pursuing each other throughout school when they were not. That is what is disrespectful in my eyes.

We can agree to disagree :tongue: Also, for all we know she was pursuing her husband through high school or at least pining away for him, or perhaps that is how she and her husband came to view things after years of marriage. I know I dated other guys in my 20's, two for quite a long time, but all I really remember is dating my husband (met him at 24). Just because their relationship remained significant to the OP, doesn't mean it was the same for this woman. I mean no disrespect to OP or his feelings, but people don't always remember things in the same way.
 
I get it. It was brave of you to post and lay bare your vulnerability and it is a touching tribute to someone who meant a lot to you at a time when you were learning how to be an adult, a lover, a friend. The actions of others is immaterial to what you hold in your memories and in your heart.
 
I'm sorry to hear about your loss. :((
 
I'm sorry for your loss. Each person has their own special memories of the person who has passed, and no one will have the special memories of her that you have. It is not inappropriate to skip over things such as a woman's past lovers while remembering her at her funeral. You did the right thing to go. My dear FIL died earlier this year, and we loved hearing the stories of those who knew him. Such different sides of a complex and wonderful person. You could have stayed, because there are people who would have loved to hear stories of her in high school. "I dated her in high school." Nothing wrong with saying that, but I can understand how you didn't want to take the chance of upsetting anyone.
 
NovemberBride|1289945579|2768997 said:
dragonfly411|1289945218|2768989 said:
November - I wasn't saying OP should have been mentioned, what I am saying is that it was disrespectful to state that the old flame and her husband were pursuing each other throughout school when they were not. That is what is disrespectful in my eyes.

We can agree to disagree :tongue: Also, for all we know she was pursuing her husband through high school or at least pining away for him, or perhaps that is how she and her husband came to view things after years of marriage. I know I dated other guys in my 20's, two for quite a long time, but all I really remember is dating my husband (met him at 24). Just because their relationship remained significant to the OP, doesn't mean it was the same for this woman. I mean no disrespect to OP or his feelings, but people don't always remember things in the same way.


Oh, please, ladies. This isn't about you and/or your opinions about what may or may not have happened in the past.

I'm sorry, David, it must feel like a big part of your life (first love?) just vanished into thin air. I'm sorry for your loss. How nice to remember all the wonderful things she taught you.
 
What ever happened in later life, it sounds like the 5 years you spent together those years ago were something special, something worth remembering. Whoever else chooses to acknowledge or whitewash it, you will know who she was at that time - and it sounds like she was a firecracker.

Did her son resemble her?
 
Portree|1289946002|2769015 said:
NovemberBride|1289945579|2768997 said:
dragonfly411|1289945218|2768989 said:
November - I wasn't saying OP should have been mentioned, what I am saying is that it was disrespectful to state that the old flame and her husband were pursuing each other throughout school when they were not. That is what is disrespectful in my eyes.

We can agree to disagree :tongue: Also, for all we know she was pursuing her husband through high school or at least pining away for him, or perhaps that is how she and her husband came to view things after years of marriage. I know I dated other guys in my 20's, two for quite a long time, but all I really remember is dating my husband (met him at 24). Just because their relationship remained significant to the OP, doesn't mean it was the same for this woman. I mean no disrespect to OP or his feelings, but people don't always remember things in the same way.


Oh, please, ladies. This isn't about you and/or your opinions about what may or may not have happened in the past.

I'm sorry, David, it must feel like a big part of your life (first love?) just vanished into thin air. I'm sorry for your loss. How nice to remember all the wonderful things she taught you.

You are right.

This is about Doctor's loss. Again Doctor I am sorry for you loss...
 
"at 52 years of age, married 28 years with 3 kids"

And let me add, many congratulations on 28 years of marriage. That is something that needs acknowledgement.

:appl:
 
I'm sorry you that you have lost a friend.

You never know... maybe the story they told is what she and her husband told them happened. You were not a part of their life, and no one would have been the wiser.

With that said, I don't not expect, nor do I WANT any of my old flames mentioned at my funeral. That is just inappropriate. This may sound harsh, but that funeral was about her battle, her family, and her children... why in the world were you worried about who was going to wonder who YOU were?
If anyone did ask, you just say a childhood friend. Everyone has childhood flames, and I would assume 99% of us don't expect to be mentioned at their eventual funerals.
 
Steal|1289946440|2769028 said:
What ever happened in later life, it sounds like the 5 years you spent together those years ago were something special, something worth remembering. Whoever else chooses to acknowledge or whitewash it, you will know who she was at that time - and it sounds like she was a firecracker.

Did her son resemble her?

He resembles his Dad, and exactly how I knew him...an aspiring professional musician.

Thanks, good advice, well taken.

Yes, she was incendiary. To clarify, we have been in touch over the years, spent a really great night together (the four of us, don't misunderstand) at a 25th year reunion. It was then I found out that she had a melanoma. A couple of years later, the news came about the breast cancer. We stayed in touch through facebook through the last couple of years, where I offered good wishes and encouragement.
 
Feelings and memories in a romantic relationship are rarely the same for both parties. But I still remember, miss, and love my HS boyfriend.
 
TheDoctor|1289947955|2769066 said:
He resembles his Dad, and exactly how I knew him...an aspiring professional musician.

Thanks, good advice, well taken.

Yes, she was incendiary. To clarify, we have been in touch over the years, spent a really great night together (the four of us, don't misunderstand) at a 25th year reunion. It was then I found out that she had a melanoma. A couple of years later, the news came about the breast cancer. We stayed in touch through facebook through the last couple of years, where I offered good wishes and encouragement.

These things run in the blood - a wonderful gift to pass along.

Dr. I liked your thread. It is wonderful to remember those that have touched our lives and perhaps to take a moment to hope that our impact on somebody else's life might be similarly special and worthy of remembrance. Life's contact is so fleeting these days with so few real connections. We have to make the ones that count, count.
 
Sorry for your loss David- your post brought up some old memories of mine as well.
It's remarkable how powerful sharing something like this can be.
I was drawn in- and had not even considered NovemberBrides salient point.


I wonder how many relationships can stand the discussion of an old flame.....I think many people would feel very threatened, even 30 years after th fact.
The loves we have in high school may seem more intense than we can possibly muster later on.......
 
She told a girlfriend 10 years ago that she still dreamed about me. Funny how these things never really let go. Maybe it's the youth, the abandon that is longed for.
Oh, and my wife insisted that I go to the funeral. I was conflicted. She said it was the right thing to do.
And we don't attend funerals for the dead, do we?
It's the messgae to the living we bring...

I didn't need to be acknowledged in any way. Her life was a book and there were pages torn out, and I'm afraid that her kids, who adored her, might think that someone was trying to hide something about her past. No matter, people make their own choices. I hope the abridged version of her life was HER choice, not someone else's.
 
TheDoctor|1289949098|2769094 said:
She told a girlfriend 10 years ago that she still dreamed about me. Funny how these things never really let go. Maybe it's the youth, the abandon that is longed for.
Oh, and my wife insisted that I go to the funeral. I was conflicted. She said it was the right thing to do.
And we don't attend funerals for the dead, do we?
It's the messgae to the living we bring...

I didn't need to be acknowledged in any way. Her life was a book and there were pages torn out, and I'm afraid that her kids, who adored her, might think that someone was trying to hide something about her past. No matter, people make their own choices. I hope the abridged version of her life was HER choice, not someone else's.

Maybe I am too shallow to understand your thought, but I have never though about attending a funeral for the message to the living. I attend a funeral in order to show my appreciation of the impact that the deceased person had in my life, or the life of someone close to me. To take the time to share their final moment with them and give my condolences to their family.
Every life that passes is a precious reminder, but that is not *why* I attend a funeral.

-Edited to add last thought.
 
meresal|1289949586|2769107 said:
TheDoctor|1289949098|2769094 said:
She told a girlfriend 10 years ago that she still dreamed about me. Funny how these things never really let go. Maybe it's the youth, the abandon that is longed for.
Oh, and my wife insisted that I go to the funeral. I was conflicted. She said it was the right thing to do.
And we don't attend funerals for the dead, do we?
It's the messgae to the living we bring...

I didn't need to be acknowledged in any way. Her life was a book and there were pages torn out, and I'm afraid that her kids, who adored her, might think that someone was trying to hide something about her past. No matter, people make their own choices. I hope the abridged version of her life was HER choice, not someone else's.

Maybe I am too shallow to understand your thought, but I have never though about attending a funeral for the message to the living. I attend a funeral in order to show my appreciation of the impact that the deceased person had in my life, or the life of someone close to me. To take the time to share their final moment with them and give my condolences to their family.
Every life that passes is a precious reminder, but that is not *why* I attend a funeral.

-Edited to add last thought.

I don't presume to speak for The Dr. but the two bits I have highlighted are the same to me.

This is not my opinion. Considering my father's funeral was held without my knowledge, I have had to adjust my view on the importance of funerals.
 
Matata|1289945809|2769007 said:
I get it. It was brave of you to post and lay bare your vulnerability and it is a touching tribute to someone who meant a lot to you at a time when you were learning how to be an adult, a lover, a friend. The actions of others is immaterial to what you hold in your memories and in your heart.

I get it too!

You are here telling us a story. Thanks for sharing, and I am sorry for your loss.
 
TheDoctor|1289949098|2769094 said:
She told a girlfriend 10 years ago that she still dreamed about me. Funny how these things never really let go. Maybe it's the youth, the abandon that is longed for.
Oh, and my wife insisted that I go to the funeral. I was conflicted. She said it was the right thing to do.
And we don't attend funerals for the dead, do we?
It's the messgae to the living we bring...

I didn't need to be acknowledged in any way. Her life was a book and there were pages torn out, and I'm afraid that her kids, who adored her, might think that someone was trying to hide something about her past. No matter, people make their own choices. I hope the abridged version of her life was HER choice, not someone else's.

My father passed away. He was "only" with my mom for 14 years at that point. When his brother, my uncle, gave his eulogy (which was actually very funny and a much needed laugh) he said that my father was a ladies man but that none compared to the "prize he snagged" in finding my mother. He went on about how he fought for 2 years to get her to finally say yes to a date.

I promise you, as his child, that I never ever thought about the relationships he must have had in those 2 years and whether or not someone was trying to rip pages out of his book of life. All I thought about was how fitting that sounds after seeing him pass away while holding on to my mother's hand and looking into my mother's eyes.

I think you are speaking more from a place of pain and I hope that this hurt passes soon. But do not worry about her children. They will be too busy mourning her death to be focused on her past loves.
 
I understand exactly how you feel, and why you would go to the funeral. I'm experiencing something of the same, only I'm actually in close contact with my former flame.

His adult daughter recently passed on, and my husband and I went to the memorial service. I've long since moved on, married someone else, and his own marriage has been a 30 year one. But . . . it was difficult to watch the slide show of his daughter's baby pictures and school photos, and family photos. Does that make sense? I didn't get to have his children. Someone else did.

If you truly ever loved someone, in an all engrossing way, heart and soul, mind and body, you don't forget them. They, and the experience become a part of you that shapes who you are today.

I understand completely. And I'm sorry for your loss.
 
Oh, I am so sorry for your loss, there are few people along the way that share such pivotal moments of our lives with us and it sounds like she was one of those special people to you.

Try to realize though, that it was "other" people attempting to put together pieces of her life in order to give a eulogy that would provide comfort to her husband and children during the service. The people writing/saying those things likely had no idea you existed, and the people close enough to her that did know you probably had minimal involvement in the details of what was said, you know?

I imagine her parents and husband were extremely distraught, so details like that could easily have been forgotten or just left up to interpretation. Think about it, if things had been the other way around - if you were the person that had died, would anyone have mentioned her during your eulogy? I don't think you should have any sadness about that service, SHE is the only one that knew how special you were to her, if she were able to write the story of her life, I am sure you would be in it.

I dated someone from the age of 15-21. He is a huge part of who I am today, a wonderful, loving, sweet sweet man that I shared many momentous experiences with. I would not, however, want him mentioned at my eulogy and see absolutely no need for my children to someday know about him other than to be able to tell them "when I was your age, I experienced this..." and if he is part of that story, he'll be in the details - otherwise, I don't see why they would need to know anything about him. I would be shocked to be mentioned at his funeral especially if he had a wife and children present. Does that take anything away from what we shared? Of course, not. Would his or my children be missing out on something if they didn't know "we" existed? Absolutely not.

What you shared was between the two of you exclusively, no one else can or ever will know the depth of it - but isn't that what makes it so special?
 
People refute their pasts for at their own and their children's peril. To deny that you once loved someone other than your married partner is ludicrous. After all, isn't love what we seek, we give without condition, we accidentally stumble upon and discover in ways that defy understanding? Are the lessons of love always clear-cut and linear, or does diversion have a way of helping us to build upon those lessons with a depth of understanding of something that can't be adequately described in any language? Shouldn't our kids know that its natural to fall in love at a tender age, but that love changes and grows in ways that can make some relationships unworkable? It doesn't mean the love is gone, it will always remain.

I hope that my posts moved you to think about lust and jealousy and reconciliation and advancement, acceptance, humility, and above all, grace. Andto think about love, in all of it's mystery and connections to higher powers, its beauty and its awe.

Farewell, Bev, you left us all way too early.
 
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