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This one has been confusing the heck out of me as well - so thanks for asking Fisher!Date: 8/31/2008 8:51:09 PM
Author: dreamer_dachsie
It doesn''t matter if you don''t have watery, many women don''t. Most women don''t get all thr types, al lthat is important is that you know your pattern and that you have one of the types of fertile fluid durign the fertile phase. EWCF is the most important type since it is the most fertile and the most nourishing to sperm, but many women also get preggo without it and with only having watery. And BTW the only real way to know that you have watery is soaked panties. Yes, TMI, but watery is as you pointed out...watery...and so it will leave a big round wet patch on the good ol'' panties. Fertile CF tends to make a rounded wet patch in panties, whereas non-fertile fluid will leave white streaks. There, once again, more than you ever wanted to know.
I seem to have had watery for the last 2 days - currently 6DPO. The minute I put it into FF, it changes my crosshairs etc to dotted lines as it sees it as fertile CM...
However, I''m 99% certain that I O''d on the right day. I got a migraine the day before (any drop in oestrogen levels will bring one on) and my temps/CM all look correct - plus I have never had a cycle longer than 28 days in my life.
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Oh my goodness, what would you ladies do if your husband did this??
I was talking to a friend of mine from college who now lives in Indiana. She is trying to get pregnant with her second child and, as it''s a topic on her mind a lot, has talked about it at work with other female co-workers. Okay, so this friend was telling her that she and her husband had been trying to get pregnant for like 13 months and it just wasn''t happening, and finally she went to see a doctor about it. The whole time her husband said he was on board, and then after she goes through being tested and they find nothing going on wrong, he admits her that he was never doing the "full deed" because he didn''t want a child yet, and didn''t want to disappoint her.
Excuse me, WHAT?!!?!!
Anyway, now they''re in counseling and having a baby isn''t a top priority at this point.
I would be so devastated and crushed if my husband didn''t want a child and lied about it and then led me to think that there could be something medically wrong with me. And to have the dream of a baby for the entire *year* that you''re supposedly trying? That is insane!
My goodness. I can''t wrap my mind around that. Maybe she was incredibly persuasive or wouldn''t stop talking about it and he just decided to "give in" without really giving in. I don''t know, but that is crazy to me. There is no way I would want a baby if Paul didn''t want to be a daddy yet. (Okay, I''d still want to be a mother, but we''re a team and I can''t do it alone and I wouldn''t want my baby to have that on it''s shoulders, either.)
Plus, wouldn''t she have caught on at some point? I think most women can tell when their husband isn''t going all the way.
Aye, such a sad story!
I was talking to a friend of mine from college who now lives in Indiana. She is trying to get pregnant with her second child and, as it''s a topic on her mind a lot, has talked about it at work with other female co-workers. Okay, so this friend was telling her that she and her husband had been trying to get pregnant for like 13 months and it just wasn''t happening, and finally she went to see a doctor about it. The whole time her husband said he was on board, and then after she goes through being tested and they find nothing going on wrong, he admits her that he was never doing the "full deed" because he didn''t want a child yet, and didn''t want to disappoint her.
Excuse me, WHAT?!!?!!
Anyway, now they''re in counseling and having a baby isn''t a top priority at this point.
I would be so devastated and crushed if my husband didn''t want a child and lied about it and then led me to think that there could be something medically wrong with me. And to have the dream of a baby for the entire *year* that you''re supposedly trying? That is insane!
My goodness. I can''t wrap my mind around that. Maybe she was incredibly persuasive or wouldn''t stop talking about it and he just decided to "give in" without really giving in. I don''t know, but that is crazy to me. There is no way I would want a baby if Paul didn''t want to be a daddy yet. (Okay, I''d still want to be a mother, but we''re a team and I can''t do it alone and I wouldn''t want my baby to have that on it''s shoulders, either.)
Plus, wouldn''t she have caught on at some point? I think most women can tell when their husband isn''t going all the way.
Aye, such a sad story!
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Estrogen also starts to fall in the middle of the luteal phase, so that could cause your migraine (this dip is responsible for the supposed "implantation dip" in temps that can accompany pregnancy)... but this type of dip is associated with higher overall levels of estrogen I believe, so it is a good thing. It perks up again a day or so later. ETA oops, thought you meant you got a migrain in your LP... ignore that information, though it could still hols. And FF always gives dotted lines if you enter any fertility signs post-ovulation, including watery CF. Don't worry about it, it is a dumb program really and can't handle the nuances.
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Oh joy, so I could get ANOTHER migraine! I can hardly wait...
The worst thing is I nearly always get one a few days before AF - and as my migraine meds are HUGELY toxic I can''t take them just in case.
Good news on the dotted lines.
Compared with last month I''m feeling much more ''normal'' this time. No phantom pg symptoms at all. Can''t decide if that is good or bad! I think last month I was overly enamoured with the idea of a honeymoon baby and felt a lot more stressed about it all. This month I''m more in a ''if it happens it happens'' frame of mind.
Quick question regarding implantation dips... how much do your temps need to dip to resemble an implantation dip? Is it below the coverline?
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hi all! i just wrote out all my individual comments and the darn computer just had some sort of error. I have to run out, but I really wanted to check in -- seems like i've been off this thread for ages...
we just got back from the ocean (why can't i live closer to the ocean) and it was a perfect week. I was in desperate need of a vacation and a swim
to everyone, i hope that you're all having a nice, relaxing long holiday weekend! lots of sticky baby dust!!!!
eta: apparently the pictures aren't working...tough computer morning
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Thanks for the kind words everyone. I really REALLY appreciate them. Any thoughts or prayers are definitely appreciated.
I''m still crampy and still have some discharge/spotting..so we shall see. Neither one is getting any worse...but they are both still there. Verrrrrry frustrating.
On the plus side, my parents are coming for a visit tomorrow and DH has to clean the house! He''s been wonderful throughout this mini-crisis...I got sooo lucky with that one.
Pandora & Ebree - I had TONS of watery CF before my BFP...so yeah. Good sign!
Lulu - How was your vacation? Wonderful I hope!
Fisher - I can''t believe that story! That is so horribly deceptive...really the opposite of oopsing someone.
I''m still crampy and still have some discharge/spotting..so we shall see. Neither one is getting any worse...but they are both still there. Verrrrrry frustrating.
On the plus side, my parents are coming for a visit tomorrow and DH has to clean the house! He''s been wonderful throughout this mini-crisis...I got sooo lucky with that one.
Pandora & Ebree - I had TONS of watery CF before my BFP...so yeah. Good sign!
Lulu - How was your vacation? Wonderful I hope!
Fisher - I can''t believe that story! That is so horribly deceptive...really the opposite of oopsing someone.
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LL, I have my fingers and toes crossed for you!!!!
Sorry to post the same exact question twice, but my husband is driving me batty with this TWW!! He keeps telling me he wants to know whether I'm pregnant and that I should take a test now (I'm only 5DPO, but I have a 35-day cycle so the wait seems longer). I think I would be happy to wait until 14DPO because if I have a realllly faint line I don't want to get my hopes up, but I have this pesky ob/gyn appointment on 8DPO.
I think if I find out that I'm pregnant before then and call the office, they'll probably ask me to reschedule until I'm 10 weeks, and I'd really like to meet this person before that, in case we don't click. I guess that I could just tell her that we're trying and bring my chart? I wonder if they'd test me there. I'm confused! Thanks for any feedback you might have.
Sorry to post the same exact question twice, but my husband is driving me batty with this TWW!! He keeps telling me he wants to know whether I'm pregnant and that I should take a test now (I'm only 5DPO, but I have a 35-day cycle so the wait seems longer). I think I would be happy to wait until 14DPO because if I have a realllly faint line I don't want to get my hopes up, but I have this pesky ob/gyn appointment on 8DPO.
I think if I find out that I'm pregnant before then and call the office, they'll probably ask me to reschedule until I'm 10 weeks, and I'd really like to meet this person before that, in case we don't click. I guess that I could just tell her that we're trying and bring my chart? I wonder if they'd test me there. I'm confused! Thanks for any feedback you might have.
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Hey Peonygirl, I don''t think that I''ve ever heard of anyone getting a positive at 5 DPO. I don''t even think implantation has occurred at that time (implantation bleeding usually occurs one week after ovulation.) I even think at 8 DPO I''m not sure if a doctor''s blood test would give a positive for everyone, just because the HGC would be soooo low, I would imagine definitely less than 25. Does anyone know if the doctor''s test would definitely give a + for everyone at 8 DPO?
I don''t think that it would hurt to bring your chart for sure, and you can always ask her to test and whether she thinks that would be fine. When it doubt, ask the doc! Good luck!!!
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Oh I know guys, I''m not going to test now!
DH keeps begging me to test, and I feel like I''m being mean by not testing or something. He rationally knows that I couldn''t have a positive at this point; he''s just being inpatient. The only way that it would be positive though was if I was way off with my ovulation dates. I''m just trying to figure out whether to test on the morning on my appt (8DPO), just in case. I think I''d rather find out on my own instead of from someone I don''t really know (if case she does test and I get a BFN). However, either way it probably wouldn''t be a big deal since I''d be SO happy.
I''m also confused about something. The pregnancy tests that I have (link here: http://www.early-pregnancy-tests.com/pregnancytests.html) say that I could potentially get a positive result "six to eight days after conception" and they also say "you may begin testing as early as 7-10 DPO." However, don''t ovulation and conception usually happen on around the same day, assuming one has sperm waiting around? Or does the egg need to travel a bit before the sperm reach it? I guess that I should brush up on my reproductive biology, hehe.
I''m also confused about something. The pregnancy tests that I have (link here: http://www.early-pregnancy-tests.com/pregnancytests.html) say that I could potentially get a positive result "six to eight days after conception" and they also say "you may begin testing as early as 7-10 DPO." However, don''t ovulation and conception usually happen on around the same day, assuming one has sperm waiting around? Or does the egg need to travel a bit before the sperm reach it? I guess that I should brush up on my reproductive biology, hehe.
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Okay, I found a good explanation for the date discrepancy. An egg can be fertilized for up to 24 hrs after ovulation (http://www.webmd.com/baby/guide/understanding-conception). Theoretically conception can occur on the same day or the date after ovulation.
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Fishy, I can''t believe that story! Some people are really smoking something, aren''t they. What was he thinking? But you see the same kind of loony behaviour among guys on the LIW thread, where it''s obvious to everyone but the poster that the guy doesn''t want to get married, and he keeps lying and misleading to avoid conflict and keep her happy.
So I guess this kind of bizarre, childish deceptive behaviour is more common than we like to think.
I have a doozy like that. A woman I know told me this story about this family she knows from a village in central Europe. Apparently, they have 5 kids and they are all the children of the local ob/gyn. Only the father doesn''t know that. They tried for years and nothing happened, so the doctor offered to "help out". Apparently, the husband just never caught on that that''s what was going on.
So I guess this kind of bizarre, childish deceptive behaviour is more common than we like to think.
I have a doozy like that. A woman I know told me this story about this family she knows from a village in central Europe. Apparently, they have 5 kids and they are all the children of the local ob/gyn. Only the father doesn''t know that. They tried for years and nothing happened, so the doctor offered to "help out". Apparently, the husband just never caught on that that''s what was going on.
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Sure, test at 8DPO if you feel like it, why not? But it will probably be a BFN because it is so early, whether or not you are actually pregnant. Personally I''d just wait. Tel lthe doc you are trying and tal kabout your chart if you want. The docs use the same tests we use, they aren''t any more sensitive, so they won''t be able to tell either, probably. But if it will ease your mind, go ahead and test!Date: 9/1/2008 12:22:41 PM
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Oh I know guys, I''m not going to test now!DH keeps begging me to test, and I feel like I''m being mean by not testing or something. He rationally knows that I couldn''t have a positive at this point; he''s just being inpatient. The only way that it would be positive though was if I was way off with my ovulation dates. I''m just trying to figure out whether to test on the morning on my appt (8DPO), just in case. I think I''d rather find out on my own instead of from someone I don''t really know (if case she does test and I get a BFN). However, either way it probably wouldn''t be a big deal since I''d be SO happy.
I''m also confused about something. The pregnancy tests that I have (link here: http://www.early-pregnancy-tests.com/pregnancytests.html) say that I could potentially get a positive result ''six to eight days after conception'' and they also say ''you may begin testing as early as 7-10 DPO.'' However, don''t ovulation and conception usually happen on around the same day, assuming one has sperm waiting around? Or does the egg need to travel a bit before the sperm reach it? I guess that I should brush up on my reproductive biology, hehe.
I think that is a typo on the testing people''s web page. Conception must occurr within 24 hours of ovulation, but usually it happens within the first 12 hours (or sooner) because after about 12 hours the egg isn''t as health anymore... or something like that/ BTW a bunch of people on here recently haven''t found the e-p-t.com tests to be very good... if yo ureally want to test at 8DPO you should pick up a FRER, it will be the most likely to give you a BFP if it is possible that early.
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I have noticed that this seems to be the norm when TTC. The first month everyone, my included!, feels so excited and thinks it will totally happen, and then if it doesn''t, or when it doesn''t since only about 1 in 5 will actually get KTFU their first month trying, then the next months people become much more zen/negative/cautious about the whole thing!
I think it is a dip of 2/10th F that lasts for only 1 day... I had one at 5DPO, which would have been the middle of my LP, and I went from 36.6 to 36.4 (at the cover line) and then up to 36.75 after.
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False negatives. Tryreading the past 5 days of this thread, I think that''s where people were talking about it.Date: 9/1/2008 1:58:48 PM
Author: peonygirl
Thanks for the advice! Are people getting false positives or false negatives with the early pregnancy tests? That''s too bad. Their ovulation kits worked well for me. I mostly bought the pregnancy tests because they''re so cheap.
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False positives, Peony, are basically impossible unless you have the hormone artificially in your system from fertility treatment, or you are still recovering from a miscarriage, or the test strip is actually a fake.
If you get a so-called "false" positive, it''s overwhelmingly likely to have been a chemical pregnancy (meaning the egg was fertilized and implanted, but the cells stopped dividing very early on, before it even becomes an embryo). About half of fertilized eggs end up as chemical pregnancies. Usually, unless you are testing early, you don''t even know it happened. You just think you had a late period. Or you test early, get a faint positive, and then get your period and think you got a ''false'' positive. But it wasn''t false, the cells just didn''t make it to the embryonic stage.
The idea is, if the hormone is in your urine, you''re pregnant.. If there''s enough in your urine, the strip detects it and changes colour. If there''s not, it might be because you''re not pregnant, or you have to wait a few days because the concentration isn''t high enough.
The stuff on the strip ONLY reacts with HcG. So if it reacts, it''s because there''s HcG in your urine because you''re pregnant (the ONLY reason, other than fertility treatment or recent miscarriage that there would be HCG in your urine). So it only changes colour and gives you a positive if you''re pregnant.
False negatives mean it''s too early to have enough hormone in your system. So those are very common if you test too early.
Doesn''t matter how faint the line is.
If it''s there, you''re pregnant. End (or beginning?) of story.
Does that make sense?
If you get a so-called "false" positive, it''s overwhelmingly likely to have been a chemical pregnancy (meaning the egg was fertilized and implanted, but the cells stopped dividing very early on, before it even becomes an embryo). About half of fertilized eggs end up as chemical pregnancies. Usually, unless you are testing early, you don''t even know it happened. You just think you had a late period. Or you test early, get a faint positive, and then get your period and think you got a ''false'' positive. But it wasn''t false, the cells just didn''t make it to the embryonic stage.
The idea is, if the hormone is in your urine, you''re pregnant.. If there''s enough in your urine, the strip detects it and changes colour. If there''s not, it might be because you''re not pregnant, or you have to wait a few days because the concentration isn''t high enough.
The stuff on the strip ONLY reacts with HcG. So if it reacts, it''s because there''s HcG in your urine because you''re pregnant (the ONLY reason, other than fertility treatment or recent miscarriage that there would be HCG in your urine). So it only changes colour and gives you a positive if you''re pregnant.
False negatives mean it''s too early to have enough hormone in your system. So those are very common if you test too early.
Doesn''t matter how faint the line is.
If it''s there, you''re pregnant. End (or beginning?) of story.
Does that make sense?
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