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sigma852

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Hi everyone, I've been looking on here for a while, doing research and was hoping you could help provide me some insight. Since I have a lot of time still and since diamond prices fluctuate I was hoping for some input on how I should I go about the diamond purchase process.

I'm looking to purchase the following:

Shape: Round
Pave
1.25-1.50ct
Color: D-G
Cut: Excellent
Clarity: IF-VS1
Cert: GIA
Budget ~$20k

I've been looking around and believe I found the setting that I am going to go with (Passed the best friend test) but after some searching on here, not 100% on the vendor. Would it be frowned upon to purchase the setting and diamond from 2 different vendors?

http://www.adiamor.com/Engagement-Rings/Diamond-Accented/6-Prong-Diamond-Band-and-Basket-Engagement-Setting/Platinum/1795

I know that she wants a round cut after discussions with her and her best friend about it. She is a pediatric nurse so the band needed to be durable which is why I went with platinum and a six prong setting.

I appreciate any help I can get!

I found Gypsy's questionaire to be useful from other forum post so here is what I have:

1. What is your budget?
Total Budget ~$20k
2. How old are you guys?
We are both 24.
3. What do she do for a living/working toward doing for a living.
She is a pediatric nurse.
4. How does she dress? Does she dress up a lot, or is she a jeans and T-shirts girl? Grundge? Tailored Ann Taylor tastes?
Work days: Scrubs, Off days: Ann Taylor Loft, yoga pants and tank.
5. Does she prefer white metals or yellow/pinks ones
She prefers white/platinum bands.
6. How is her house decorated? Does she love antique store trolling? Does she love everything Pottery Barn? Is she ultra modern with lots of metal and leather?
House is decorated like a Florida beach house. Main color scheme is similar to tiffany blue and white
7. Is she clumsy? Is she very put together?
Very put together. Former gymnast, type A, and a nurse.
8. Does she love handbags and have a stable of them to choose from? Are they mostly practical (neutral colors: brown, black, beige)
Typically they are neutral colors
9. What metro area are you in or near? Or are you in the country? Tell me where you live and what it's like there (if it's not obvious, like NYC).
We live in the Orlando area
10. Do you guys have pets? Want them? What kind?
1 cat, but we both want 2 Labrador retrievers, and kids.
11. Is she a brand name girl? Does she love things with brand names? If so why? Is it the dependability of brand name quality that appeals to her or is it the bragging rights? Or is she more understated and while she appreciates quality brand names don't do it for her?
She is not materialistic so brand names don’t matter to her, she buys on price and quality.
12. Okay now, describe her to us in your own words? I've never met her, bring her to life me. What qualities does she have that you love? What is her sense of humor like? Just... tell us about her.
Smart, laid back, compassionate, giving, selfless, inspiring, level headed, and quirky
13. Has she expressed an interest in any particular style of ring (halo, Legacy, solitaire, three stone) or shape of stone (round, marquise, pear, princess, emerald, radiant.)?
She has told me that she like a pave ring with a round diamond and no halos.
14. What is her existing jewelry like? A lot of variety, or are there a few select pieces of similar design? What does she wear regularly?
She typically only wears the Tiffany infinity ring that I bought her, simple diamond earrings, and an Alex and Ani bangle
 

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I'm not one of the resident experts, but wanted to chime in since I recently purchased a ring that fits the exact criteria you set forth above. Specifically, I ended up with a 1.43 F VS1 round ACA diamond from White Flash, and set it in a solitaire with pave on the shank (5-7 o'clock) made by Leon Mege. The final price? Just under $20k (or just above with tax on the setting). I'd explore getting a custom setting by Leon, Steven Kirsch or Victor Canera since you have the budget for it, and are looking for a diamond under 1.5 carats. Note that Leon charged me a "corkage" fee for having the stone sourced elsewhere and a second charge for adding two small pink diamonds to the pave.

A couple of notes: my GF is a former diamond grader at Tiffany and a current gemologist at GIA so I went with a higher clarity and color grade than I would have otherwise. The stone being eye-clean to me doesn't mean a lot in my case since I don't have a trained eye like my GF. Also, when I had my ring appraised, the appraiser let me know that he would personally give my F stone a split grade of D/E "as set" as the stone picks up color from the platinum setting (and the fact that it's likely a high "F"). While having a "D" would have been nice, it's certainly nice to know that you don't really need one to have it look super white.
 

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Welcome! Really, you have done your homework knowing what kind of diamond and setting she wants!

I would suggest that the diamond be set medium to low since she is a nurse. I would not buy that setting you linked even if you go with that style. There are better options depending on where you buy the stone. For example, you can buy a stone anywhere and send it to Victor Canera to set in one of his outstanding pave settings (and possibly buy the diamond from him, too). Sometimes the diamond seller will have a great quality setting as well.

If you are not proposing at this time (or not ready to buy), I would suggest coming back here 8-10 weeks before the proposal when you are really ready to buy the ring. That gives you enough time to get a diamond and potentially have it sent to someone to be custom made. Your budget allows you to do fine quality, so that is my recommendation.
 

sigma852

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diamondseeker2006|1467737166|4051645 said:
I would not buy that setting you linked even if you go with that style. There are better options depending on where you buy the stone. For example, you can buy a stone anywhere and send it to Victor Canera to set in one of his outstanding pave settings (and possibly buy the diamond from him, too). Sometimes the diamond seller will have a great quality setting as well.
If you don't mind me asking, can you explain why you'd recommend that I go with a different setting?
 

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I would be concerned about the quality and safety of the setting you picked out. It seems too thin at 1.5mm. Most would recommend 2mm for a shank, particularly with pave. Maybe down to 1.8mm at smallest. You have a healthy budget and I think you could likely do much better for the setting. I would check out Victor Canera and Steven Kirsch as recommended if you want a really nice setting!!
 

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Sure. The quality on that ring would be uncertain because we haven't seen any reports on it. It is important to get high quality when pave is involved. It likely comes in stock sizes for the head such as 1.5, 2.0, etc. If you buy a 1.6 ct diamond, for example, it might fit too tight in a 1.5 setting and would be too small in a 2.0. But the number one reason I would never consider it is that the shank is only 1.5 mm. That is not structurally sound being that thin, especially with pave. 1.8 is the absolute minimum and 2.0 mm, which is still very thin, would be a better choice for durability.

Secondly, if you order a setting and buy a stone, you'd have to be sure the diamond vendor would set the stone in that setting for you. They will charge you a setting fee. So why would you not look at the diamond vendor's selection first? You'd save on shipping the setting to them as well as the setting fee. I'd still encourage you to go with someone like Victor or Steven Kirsch for the quality they do. There are a couple of exceptions, but we'd have to see where you find a diamond to know if the vendor had a nice one. Always buy the diamond first. Then you decide on the setting.
 

sigma852

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When originally looking at that particular setting, the number 1 concern that I had was the band width, so I completely understand your reasoning. I contacted them to see if the band could be increased to a 2mm setting and they said there would be no issue in doing so. By increasing the band width, would that possibly compromise the integrity of the metal?
 

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I'm working with Victor Canera now on a project and he is super nice and easy to communicate with. He has ideal cut rounds in stock. He is a pave master. And if you buy the diamond from him, you get 10% off the setting. I hope you consider him. You will not be disappointed!
 

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sigma852|1467743740|4051688 said:
When originally looking at that particular setting, the number 1 concern that I had was the band width, so I completely understand your reasoning. I contacted them to see if the band could be increased to a 2mm setting and they said there would be no issue in doing so. By increasing the band width, would that possibly compromise the integrity of the metal?
I think the band width is only part of the concern here--it's mostly the overall quality. Because you have a good budget and would be able to get something of much higher quality, we recommend doing so. And another strong suggestion is to find the stone first, because you won't know exactly what setting size you need unless you have the stone first.

I'd recommend holding off on the setting decision until you find the "perfect" stone. And then people here will be more than happy to help you with the setting as well.
 

sigma852

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Since I won't be asking for about 6 months, what would you recommend to start offically looking for the diamond? Also what is the typical time span for the whole process to take? That way I can properly allocate myself enought time, and won't make myself have to "rush."
 

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Since I don't know too much about settings, I will give some suggestions on the potential diamonds you can consider. I know you listed what you are looking for in a diamond, but are the color D-G and clarity VS1 to IF a must or you have some flexibility? Some people would want high color and high clarity because of personal and cultural reasons, but others would sacrifice a bit on color and/or clarity to get a bigger diamond.



I used the following criteria to search for some ideal-cut diamonds:

Table: 54 - 57%
Depth: 60 - 61.9%
Crown angle: 34 to 35 degrees
Pavilion angle: 40.6 - 40.8 degrees
Lower girdle length: 75 - 80% (75 to 77% would have bold fire while 80% is optimized for pin-fire)
Star length: 45 - 55%
girdle thickness: Thin-Medium


This list has both near H&A and H&A diamonds that are between 1.25 and 1.5 ct, G-D, VS1-IF.


Near H&A

1. https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.25-carat-g-color-if-clarity-excellent-cut-sku-1847380
Looks good in the video but would be better to see if JA can provide an idealscope/ASET scope image
2. https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/1.30-carat-e-color-vs1-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-940757


H&A

1. http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3689786.htm#
2. http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3689777.htm
3. http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.316-e-vs1-round-diamond-ags-104086693007
 

sigma852

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fair75|1467756444|4051771 said:
Since I don't know too much about settings, I will give some suggestions on the potential diamonds you can consider. I know you listed what you are looking for in a diamond, but are the color D-G and clarity VS1 to IF a must or you have some flexibility? Some people would want high color and high clarity because of personal and cultural reasons, but others would sacrifice a bit on color and/or clarity to get a bigger diamond.
I am flexible on the color and clarity, but going for a larger diamond is not really feasible. Of course I would love to get her a larger diamond but due to her occupation, a big diamond could become an inconvenience for her.
 

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Trust me, whether she has a 1.5 ct diamond or a 2 ct diamond will not matter 1 iota. I can think of a few nurses here right this minute who wear over 2 cts. So my recommendation is to get the largest well cut diamond within your budget. There is not going to be a difference at work between a 1.5 and a 1.7.

We are trying to tell you that you should get a nice quality setting for her to wear the rest of her life. We can help you do that, but it won't be that setting. You can have one made very much like it, but I don't recommend diamonds up the prongs.

Here are some gorgeous ones (you have to click on additional pictures to see the beautiful profile view of the heads):

https://www.victorcanera.com/rings/engagement/six-prong-solitaire-with-scalloped-basket

https://www.victorcanera.com/rings/engagement/the-jocelyn-with-scalloped-basket

https://www.victorcanera.com/rings/engagement/the-evelyn-pave-solitaire

https://www.victorcanera.com/rings/engagement/vintage-six-prong-paved-crown-solitaire

https://www.victorcanera.com/rings/engagement/the-trueste-with-pave

You should allow two weeks to come here and decide on a diamond and have it shipped to you or the ringmaker. Then you should allow 6-8 weeks for the ring to be made. It might be made in 2 weeks and it might take 8, therefore, I would always allow for at least 8 weeks. That's why I said earlier to be ready to buy 10 weeks or more before you are ready to propose.
 

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diamondseeker2006|1467759656|4051788 said:
Trust me, whether she has a 1.5 ct diamond or a 2 ct diamond will not matter 1 iota. I can think of a few nurses here right this minute who wear over 2 cts. So my recommendation is to get the largest well cut diamond within your budget. There is not going to be a difference at work between a 1.5 and a 1.7.

We are trying to tell you that you should get a nice quality setting for her to wear the rest of her life. We can help you do that, but it won't be that setting. You can have one made very much like it, but I don't recommend diamonds up the prongs.

Here are some gorgeous ones (you have to click on additional pictures to see the beautiful profile view of the heads):

https://www.victorcanera.com/rings/engagement/six-prong-solitaire-with-scalloped-basket

https://www.victorcanera.com/rings/engagement/the-jocelyn-with-scalloped-basket

https://www.victorcanera.com/rings/engagement/the-evelyn-pave-solitaire

https://www.victorcanera.com/rings/engagement/vintage-six-prong-paved-crown-solitaire

https://www.victorcanera.com/rings/engagement/the-trueste-with-pave

You should allow two weeks to come here and decide on a diamond and have it shipped to you or the ringmaker. Then you should allow 6-8 weeks for the ring to be made. It might be made in 2 weeks and it might take 8, therefore, I would always allow for at least 8 weeks. That's why I said earlier to be ready to buy 10 weeks or more before you are ready to propose.
Excuse me, Ds2006, could you please kindly stop giving me beautiful ideas about e-ring? Sorry OP, I gotta steal the idea of https://www.victorcanera.com/rings/engagement/the-jocelyn-with-scalloped-basket.. It looks absolutely gorgeous. I'm forwarding this to my jeweler for making the ring as soon as my diamond arrives haha.

Question though, should I milgrain it or not and how height from the ring should I ask the jeweler to make (they told me maximum 7mm)
 

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I agree on the setting quality that DS has stressed.

Here is some additional reading that will help you understand that: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/which-online-retailer-for-a-custom-setting.203660/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/which-online-retailer-for-a-custom-setting.203660/[/URL]


Your lady wants 6 prongs and pave and lower set. I think this is a fabulous choice and very high quality: http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/engagement-rings/pave-and-side-stones/legera-pave-six-prong-platinum-6649p :love:

With something like this beauty for the center stone: http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.650-h-vs2-round-diamond-ags-104084407036


THAT SAID, why are you waiting 6 months to propose? Cause honestly that H VS2 is awesome, and I would advise you to just snap it up right now with the Legera setting with the 6 prong head and call it a day.
 

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diamondseeker2006|1467759656|4051788 said:
Trust me, whether she has a 1.5 ct diamond or a 2 ct diamond will not matter 1 iota. I can think of a few nurses here right this minute who wear over 2 cts. So my recommendation is to get the largest well cut diamond within your budget. There is not going to be a difference at work between a 1.5 and a 1.7.

We are trying to tell you that you should get a nice quality setting for her to wear the rest of her life. We can help you do that, but it won't be that setting. You can have one made very much like it, but I don't recommend diamonds up the prongs.
I'm not trying to take away from any of the advice that you have provided thus far. That's why I posted this. I wanted to hear what others have to say in this matter, because I know very little about this whole process. This is the main reason why I decided to post something now, rather than later. I apologize if I came off as ungrateful for your input, I truly am.
 

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Oh, no, I totally understand that you are just trying to learn by asking questions at this point! We just want you to end up with a high quality ring as you have a great budget and CAN get the best quality setting!
 

sigma852

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So just to make sure that I am on the right track when it comes to looking at the diamonds specifically, would this pass your test? Comparing to what you mentioned previously, it looks like it does but I could be missing something. With the round cut, when does the color start to become noticeable? Should I try to keep my searching with G as the minimum or are H's okay?

http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-8446959-1.70-carat-Round-diamond-H-color-VVS2-clarity.aspx
 

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sigma852|1467769587|4051869 said:
So just to make sure that I am on the right track when it comes to looking at the diamonds specifically, would this pass your test? Comparing to what you mentioned previously, it looks like it does but I could be missing something. With the round cut, when does the color start to become noticeable? Should I try to keep my searching with G as the minimum or are H's okay?

http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-8446959-1.70-carat-Round-diamond-H-color-VVS2-clarity.aspx
Nope that fails.
Poorly cut. Too deep and the angles are terrible. H color is just fine if the light return is excellent, so not this stone with those dimensions. Please see the one I posted for you before.

And you do not need VVS clarity.

Please see below:
Round Diamonds 101:

The entire purpose of faceting a diamond is to reflect light.
How well or how poorly a diamond does this determines how beautiful it is.
How well a diamond performs is determined by the angles and cutting. This is why we say cut is king.
No other factor: not color, not clarity has as much of an impact on the appearance of a diamond as its cut. An ideal H will out white a poorly cut F. With round diamonds even a GIA triple Excellent is not enough. And you must stick to GIA and AGS only (HPD in Europe is good as well). EGL is a bad option: [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/egl-certification-are-any-of-them-ok.142863/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/egl-certification-are-any-of-them-ok.142863/[/URL]
So how to we ensure that we have the right angles and cutting to get the light performance we want?
http://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/diamond-cut
Well one method is to start with a GIA Ex, and then apply the HCA to it. YOU DO NOT USE HCA for AGS0 stones generally, though you can. In general, AGS0 trumps HCA though as one examines the actual stone and the other does not.
http://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/holloway-cut-advisor
The HCA is a rejection tool. Not a selection tool. It uses 4 data points to make a rudimentary call on how the diamond may perform.
If the diamond passes then you know that you are in the right zone in terms of angles for light performance. Under 2 is a pass. Under 2.5-2.1 is a maybe. 2.6 and over is a no. No score 2 and under is better than any other.
Is that enough? Not really.

So what you need is a way to check actual light performance of your actual stone.
That's what an idealscope image does. http://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/firescope-idealscope
It shows you how and wear your diamond is reflecting light, how well it is going at it, and where you are losing light return. That is why you won't see us recommending Blue Nile, as they do not provide idealscope images for their diamonds. BGD,BE, James Allen, GOG, HPD, ERD and WF do.

The Idealscope is the 'selection tool'. Not the HCA.
So yes, with a GIA stone you need the idealscope images. Or you can buy an idealscope yourself and take it in to the jeweler you are working with to check the stones yourself. Or if you have a good return policy (full refund minimum 7 days) then you can buy the idealscope, buy the stone, and do it at home.

Now if you want to skip all that... stick to AGS0 stones and then all you have to do is pick color and clarity and you know you have a great performing diamond. Because AGS has already done the checking for you. That's why they trade at a premium. Some AGS0's are better than others though, so pay attention to any ASET or IS provided.

In general with rounds, you will want a table 60% or less. A depth between 59 and 62.4. Crown angle 33.5-35. Pavilion Angle: 40.6-40.9 (there is a little give on this). And the crown and pavilion angles must be complimentary which is what the HCA checks for you.

On color:


It is important to remember is that color is graded FACE DOWN. Where there is NO light return. Not face up where there is light return and refraction. You wear diamonds set. FACE UP.

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Within one color grade, even the labs can't agree on the color grades of stones and something could be a "high" H or a "low" E. Within 2 color grades it is hard. Not impossible. But very hard. And it gets harder once set. If you are talking ideal rounds, or any stone with ideal light return and no sharp corners it gets harder still because the ideal light return masks body color.

Generally we say to be conservative stay above H if you DO NOT KNOW YOUR LADY'S COLOR PREFERENCES.

If you are talking fancy shapes without ideal light return (because there is no 'ideal' for EC's Radiant, etc) it's a bit different.

This is how I think of it.

Ever gotten one of those HUGE paint fan decks? Where there are literally 100s of colors of whites? And when they are RIGHT next to each other you can TOTALLY tell that one is bluer/colder and one is a bit warmer and which one is one is TOTALLY warmer. One there's one that's slightly greener. One that's slightly pinker? But really. They are all white?

Then you pick one after agonizing over this white or that white and when it's on the walls and people are like: Oh. You painted again. And it's STILL white. Great.

And you're all... BUT it's BLUE white. Or it's a WARM white now. It used to be ____ white. It's TOTALLY different.

It's like that. You are talking about shades of white. D is colder... J is warmer. But it's all white.

YES. If you have an accurately graded F and an H THAT HAVE THE SAME PERFORMANCE you are going to be able to tell them apart when you compare them side by side. Just like you would be able to tell if you painted your walls a warm white, but painted the crown molding a cold/straight white. But both are STILL white, you only see the contrast because of the proximity. But it's very slight, you could set an F center with G sides and never tell the difference. And even H sides depending on the setting and the size of the sidestones... especially with round brilliants.


I want you notice all the qualifiers thought. I'm talking about stones with the SAME performance. An ideal H will out white an F that has compromised light performance from a poor cut.

NOTHING impacts the appearance of a diamond as much as cut. CUT is king.

You want the shinest whitest and brightest diamond out there: Cut is King. No other factor, not color or clarity or anything else impacts how white bright an shiny a stone is.

On Clarity: http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond-clarity
Clarity Vs2 or Si1 and eyeclean is as high as you need to go in a round. So set that as a floor. And verify eyeclean with vendor or images and vendor (best). An Eyeclean SI1 will look just like an IF to the naked eye. So... really anything over VS2 and eyeclean is just because you want higher clarity for some personal or cultural reason (and that's fine of course, just make sure it's an educated decision) or because you are getting a good deal on a stone because higher clarity stones can be harder to move (especially in lower colors). So make sure you don't put a CEILING on your clarity. All you need is a floor. And with rounds, in general that floor is Si1 or Vs2.
 

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These are measurements to help you stay in ideal cut territory with a GIA excellent cut stone.

table: 54-58

depth: 60-62.3

crown angle: 34-35.0 (up to 35.5 crown angle can sometimes work with a 40.6 pav angle)

pavilion angle: 40.6-40.9 (sometimes 41.0 if the crown angle is close to 34)

Only look at vendors that give you photos of the stone and will supply an ASET or idealscope image to show light return.
 

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H color is fine unless you are really color sensitive - if that is the case, then G color might be as high as you want to go. I personally wouldn't go to a VVS clarity - even if I needed it to be mind clean. VS should do that for you as well.

Try to stick to these parameters:

Depth up to 62.2
Table 45-58
Crown 34-35
Pavilion 40.6 - 40.9

When you find a stone, run it through the HCA under Tools at the top of the page. Ideally, you are looking for a stone that scores 2 and under. The stone that you posted above has a pavilion angle of 41.4 which is high and could result in light leakage. However, having said all of that, you might see the stone and really like it. However, I would try to do some legwork first and go look at some stones. You might then have a better idea of your color and or clarity threshold before going to the expense of having stones shipped back and for to you.

Have you gone out to look at diamonds in person? Go to Tiffany's or a Hearts on Fire dealer - a jeweler that has good quality diamonds - not a mall jewelry store. You might be surprised at what looks good to your eye!
 

sigma852

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So a diamond that is more along the lines of this?
https://www.victorcanera.com/diamonds/kc46vd-1.556-f-si1-ideal-hearts-arrows-round

I plugged in the dimensions in the HCA tool and it produced a HCA of 1.3.


MissGotRocks|1467770240|4051875 said:
Have you gone out to look at diamonds in person? Go to Tiffany's or a Hearts on Fire dealer - a jeweler that has good quality diamonds - not a mall jewelry store. You might be surprised at what looks good to your eye!
I've been to Tiffany already since the original ring/design that caught her eye was the Novo, so I figured I check it out in person (you can only look at it online for so long) The ring that the gentleman showed me was 1.02ct with H color and VSS2 clarity if I remember correctly for around $13,000.

I am planning on going to a jeweler here in the next couple of days to get a frame of reference.
 

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OP - I would grab that diamond that Gypsy just listed. And it's being sold by a very reputable PS'r. Wow! If I were in the market.......
 

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Gypsy|1467772743|4051890 said:
AGS0 trumps HCA.

But yes, more like that.

If you want a really good stone at a great price there is this one: https://loupetroop.com/listings/loose-stones-diamond/1-dot-65-g-vs1-ags-ideal-cut-diamond

It's a G VS1 AGS0 (I'm sure the seller will be happy to get you a copy of the lab report). And because it's a second hand stone it is discounted.

Has an idealscope (a very nice one) already posted too.
Although I do agree this is a very beautiful stone, I'd recommend doing some negotiating since the stone was previously bought second hand at a much lower price point (and perhaps sent for regrading at AGS).
[URL='https://www.pricescope.com/forum/preloved-ps-jewels/round-brilliant-1-65-ct-james-allen-diamond-t215397.html']https://www.pricescope.com/forum/preloved-ps-jewels/round-brilliant-1-65-ct-james-allen-diamond-t215397.html[/URL]
 
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