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petergriffen

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how does something like this look??
http://www.bluenile.com/atransfer.jsp?goto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bluenile.com%2Fround-diamond-1-carat-or-less-ideal-cut-g-color-vvs2-clarity_LD01283378%3Ftempcurr%3DUSD&sourceid=39114&eid=201&ver=1.0

looking for close to .75, round, around $2800, ideal cut, vvs1 - vvs2 (maybe vs1), d-g. any opinions?
 
I'm fixing your link for you, so others can view it more easily.

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I am not a cut expert by any means, but it looks to be a lovely stone. My response to your post will give your thread a bump so others with more cut knowledge can give you their opinions.
 
That''s a nice stone. Just a tip: When dealing with Blue Nile there mark up is there. If you call them and haggle a little they will negotiate with you. When going to my jeweler one day I stopped there and they were willing to negotiate all prices. Best of luck!
 
From what I know it seems like a well cut stone. However being on the look out for a .80-.99 ct stone recently, I think the price is a little high. I think you should call one of the network jewelers and they should be able to do better.
 
Date: 8/9/2009 4:20:21 PM
Author: Big daddy 48
That''s a nice stone. Just a tip: When dealing with Blue Nile there mark up is there. If you call them and haggle a little they will negotiate with you. When going to my jeweler one day I stopped there and they were willing to negotiate all prices. Best of luck!
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Are you saying that Blue Nile will negotiate prices also? Any idea how much will they typically come down on prices?
 
My response to your title is sounds like FUN!!! I didn''t know BN negotiated. Try that. Looks like a nice stone.
 
Numbers on the stone are very good. It looks to be very well cut and should be a lil'' sparkler.
 
Okay so a few quick questions. How much should I call Blue Nile and try to negotiate? Do you think I went with too high of a quality vs the size?
 
Date: 8/10/2009 9:55:20 AM
Author: petergriffen
Okay so a few quick questions. How much should I call Blue Nile and try to negotiate? Do you think I went with too high of a quality vs the size?
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look around at comprable stones and see what the going rate is, then haggle haggle haggle.
James Allen is a good place to start.
 
Date: 8/10/2009 9:55:20 AM
Author: petergriffen
Okay so a few quick questions. How much should I call Blue Nile and try to negotiate? Do you think I went with too high of a quality vs the size?
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Depends on what exactly your goals for the diamond are. Some people prefer higher color and clarity, some want a larger size and are happy as long as the diamond doesn''t have any visible inclusions, what we refer to as "eye-clean".

Personally, I fall in the second camp and feel that a well cut H or I is still very white and that VS2 or an eye-clean SI1 or even SI2 is great and will get a larger diamond for the same price. People who prefer higher color and clarity would applaud your choice. No one is wrong, because as long as the diamond is well cut it will be bright and sparkly. It is just personal preference.

What are your goals for the diamond?
 
So let me guess this straight. Seems that as long as I get an ideal cut it will look pretty good?
Goals for the diamond are….
Very sparkly, no visible flaws and around .75ct
 
Date: 8/10/2009 12:29:52 PM
Author: petergriffen
So let me guess this straight. Seems that as long as I get an ideal cut it will look pretty good?
Goals for the diamond are….
Very sparkly, no visible flaws and around .75ct
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You got it! A poorly cut D-IF will be outshone by a well cut I-SI1 any time. The one thing you have to consider, though, is that vendors are free to use whatever terms they want when describing diamonds. Many will call a stone "ideal" when in fact it is not, the only grading lab that has an Ideal rating is AGS. GIA's highest grade is Excellent, and includes some combinations that don't work well together. Confusing, isn't it?
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If you like, some of the diamond hunters on PS would be glad to suggest some possible stones. Couple of questions, though. Are you set on buying from Blue Nile or would you consider other reliable vendors? Are you still wanting to stay with G color or are you willing to drop to H or even I if well cut? G-H seems to be a sweet spot for many buyers where the diamond faces up white but the cost savings are notable from a colorless D-F color.
 

I have no problem with people finding me a nice diamond, doesn’t need to be Blue Nile as long as it can returned within a short period of time for me to look at it and it’s a reputable dealer .


And I was saying d-g color but I guess if I can go a step over then it is okay with me. I really don’t know much about the color, if I can’t tell the difference then I don’t care. Looking for around .75, vvs1 - vvs2, atleast an ideal cut, a small 4 prong white gold mount if that even matters now.
Good luck hunting
 
Date: 8/10/2009 2:38:36 PM
Author: petergriffen




I have no problem with people finding me a nice diamond, doesn’t need to be Blue Nile as long as it can returned within a short period of time for me to look at it and it’s a reputable dealer .






And I was saying d-g color but I guess if I can go a step over then it is okay with me. I really don’t know much about the color, if I can’t tell the difference then I don’t care. Looking for around .75, vvs1 - vvs2, atleast an ideal cut, a small 4 prong white gold mount if that even matters now.
Good luck hunting
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I'll take a look, as will some others I'm sure. Why VVS clarity? That is fine if you want that, but you will be paying quite a premium for that when a VS or even eye-clean SI will look the same to the naked eye. If your goal is no visible flaws, as you stated in a previous post, opening the search up to VS or SI clarity will greatly expand the options within your budget.

For example doing a quick search using the "Pricescope your diamond" above, a .75 G VVS2 will run from $3000 up, while a G VS2 the same size could save as much as $500 and still have no visible inclusions.

EDT: Here's some possibles--all are VS1 clarity, as I didn't find anything well cut that was a VVS and in budget.

Ask James Allen for Idealscope images for the first two.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-VS1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1254541.asp

Just over budget at 2850 w/discount, but an F color
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1245834.asp

From a different vendor, would get 2% PS discount
http://www.whiteflash.com/round_ideal_cut/Round-Ideal-Cut-cut-diamond-2133633.htm#
 
Yeah and I am looking for a diamond that is eye clean, sparkles well and doesn''t look colored. I will ask for those scopes and we will see what we got. I was led to believe that VS1 would have visible flaws to the naked eye, and if it doesn''t and it looks good then I don''t care what it is
 
Date: 8/11/2009 7:46:32 PM
Author: petergriffen
Yeah and I am looking for a diamond that is eye clean, sparkles well and doesn''t look colored. I will ask for those scopes and we will see what we got. I was led to believe that VS1 would have visible flaws to the naked eye, and if it doesn''t and it looks good then I don''t care what it is
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My e-ring is a round VS1, G color brillant cut diamond and you definately can''t see any flaws. The certificate it came with shows where the 2 flaws are at, but need some good magnifcation to see it. Its quite sparkly and bright. Its only a .47 carat, but I have recieved many compliments on how it sparkles.
I believe its when a diamond is a I1 and below that inclusions can be visible to the naked eye.
 
are you guys serious? blue nile negotiates their prices with customers?
 
Date: 8/11/2009 7:46:32 PM
Author: petergriffen
Yeah and I am looking for a diamond that is eye clean, sparkles well and doesn't look colored. I will ask for those scopes and we will see what we got. I was led to believe that VS1 would have visible flaws to the naked eye, and if it doesn't and it looks good then I don't care what it is
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If so, you would have superhuman eyes. VS1 is very difficult to see even under 10X loupe by trained personnel. (That is the definition of VS1)
 
Ditto Stone Cold.

The problem is that many mall, chain and other B&M stores stock either ungraded stones or those graded by "lesser" labs than GIA and AGS and the grading standards can be very lenient.
 
As for eye clean will the Idealscope help me with that? What exactly would the difference between VS and VVS to the naked eye???nothing?
 
Date: 8/12/2009 1:08:47 PM
Author: petergriffen
As for eye clean will the Idealscope help me with that?
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Not really. It takes someone eyeballing the stone. Some inclusions that are very apparent in IS or photos are not visible with naked eye and vice versa. An IS image will tell you how well the stone reflects light.


What exactly would the difference between VS and VVS to the naked eye???nothing?
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Yep. You won''t notice any difference due to clarity in this case.
 
Yap, no difference if the VS is eye-clean too, which most are if graded by GIA/AGS.

IS just tells you about light returns.
 
Date: 8/12/2009 4:26:24 PM
Author: jet2ks

Date: 8/12/2009 1:08:47 PM
Author: petergriffen
As for eye clean will the Idealscope help me with that?
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Not really. It takes someone eyeballing the stone. Some inclusions that are very apparent in IS or photos are not visible with naked eye and vice versa. An IS image will tell you how well the stone reflects light.



What exactly would the difference between VS and VVS to the naked eye???nothing?
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Yep. You won''t notice any difference due to clarity in this case.
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No, an Idealscope shows light leakage or lack of in a diamond, as Jet says you need the vendor to inspect the diamond for you.
 
Both IS images are great! You aren''t going to go wrong with either one.
 
Date: 8/13/2009 11:05:29 PM
Author: jet2ks
Both IS images are great! You aren''t going to go wrong with either one.
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Ditto.
 
Is there anything else I should ask before making a purchase?
 
Date: 8/14/2009 10:01:18 AM
Author: petergriffen
Is there anything else I should ask before making a purchase?
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Not that I can think of. You have done a good job of researching and asking questions. Both diamonds are excellent stones, so it will come down to your preference of size vs. color.

Best of luck with your purchase and proposal. Please come back and post pics.
 
Super images!
 
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