SI2 TO I 1

[diamondg]

CAN A DIAMOND GO FROM SI2 TO VISABLE INCLUSIONS?
I GOT A RING NOT 2 MONTHS AGO AND HAD IT APPRAISED F COLOR AND SI2
I BOUGHT A LOUPE 10X AND WAS ABLE TO SEE SMALL INCLUSIONS WITH IT.
NOW IT SEEM LIKE I CAN SEE INCLUSIONS WITH THE NAKED EYE, THAT WERE DEFINETELY NOT THERE BEFORE.
TO THE NAKED EYE, IT LOOKED FLAWLESS.
CAN A DIAMONDS INCLUSIONS BECOME VISABLE?
IS IT POSSIBLE THAT DIRT ON DIAMONDS CAN GIVE THE IMPRESSION OF INCLUSIONS?
I TRIED AMMONIA AND SOAP BUT DIDNT WORK.
ANY INPUT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED.

 

[Jennifer5973]

Chances are, you see the inclusions that were always present becasue you now know they are there, having examined it with a loupe, and now your eye is looking for them.

If it is a true SI2, then this is a likely scenario.

 

[diamondg]

THANKS FOR YOU INPUT
BUT THE DIAMOND LOOKED COMPLETELY CLEAR, BEFORE AND AFTER I BOUGHT A LOUPE.
NOW THE INCLUSIONG LOOK OBVIOUS. IS THAT POSSIBLE.
COULD WEARING IT AT WORK DAMAGED IT?

 

[Jennifer5973]

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On 9/20/2004 10:07:28 PM diamondg wrote:

THANKS FOR YOU INPUT
BUT THE DIAMOND LOOKED COMPLETELY CLEAR, BEFORE AND AFTER I BOUGHT A LOUPE.
NOW THE INCLUSIONG LOOK OBVIOUS. IS THAT POSSIBLE?----------------

Please turn off the caps.

Look at what you just wrote--"after I bought a loop, now the inclusions look obvious."

You bought the loupe. You looked at it. Now you can *see* the inclusions becasue you know where they are and what to look for. unless the ring was out of your posession and the stone was switched sometime between your getting it and buying the loupe, it is 99.9% likely what I am describing is occuring.

Check out this tutorial from GOG's website where Jonathan talks about this phenomenon:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/si1-si2-.htm

 

[Jennifer5973]

The second possibility is that your act of buying a loupe caused some cosmic energy to unfurl and transform your stone into an I1.

 

[Jennifer5973]

 

[diamondg]

Im thinking cosmic energy.

 

[Jennifer5973]

I don't mean to make light of your concerns--if you are truly worried, take it to an appraiser with the cert.

 

[rachelle]

Hi I am new but I did the same thing on one of my rings. It was certified Vs2 but I got out a microscope I used in college. Talk about inclusions. When you look at something magnified at 100 you see everything! From then on I could not look at the ring with out "seeing" the inclusions. I know it was all in my head but no one could convince me of that then. They need to make sure to tell us consumers not to look so close. It ruins it for us. My mother did the same thing I did and finally got rid of her ideal lazare caplan that she had had for 20 years. So don't feel bad, I think alot of us do it.

 

[Brian Knox]

With regard to being eye clean, Most SI-2's will not stand up to up close and continual scrutiny.

Also, the bigger the diamond, the easier it is to see inside the stone.

There are truly eyeclean SI-2's that will stand up to this type of scrutiny but they are few and far between.

More likely than not, a major part of the reason you are seeing the inclusions easier now is that the diamond probably has developed a film on the bottom which greatly reduces the brilliance and makes it much easier to see inside the stone.

Get a good professional cleaning (heated ultrasonic and steam cleaning) and let me know if it looks better.

 

[Jennifer5973]

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On 9/20/2004 10:47:04 PM brianknox wrote:

With regard to being eye clean, Most SI-2's will not stand up to up close and continual scrutiny.

Also, the bigger the diamond, the easier it is to see inside the stone.

There are truly eyeclean SI-2's that will stand up to this type of scrutiny but they are few and far between...

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I think this sums it up nicely from an expert. The key word being "continual."

 

[headlight]

Brian, that is such a good point. I have an SI2, so in a 3.29 ct., it is easier to see inclusions when you know where they are upon close scrutiny. It got to the point (after I spent the afternoon with my loup) where I could so blatantly see the inclusions. However, then I got a steam cleaner and now it has got to the point where I actually think that my mind is playing tricks on me because I actually have to look for them and still can't find them, to the point where I have to second guess, "Is that it???" Obviously, I know that the clarity of my stone hasn't miraculously improved! But, it must be due to the steam cleaning!

 

[Jennifer5973]

I really think if you sit aorund all day with a loupe you will drive yourself nuts.

I was starting down that path and got some control when I realized if I looked hard enough, NOTHING is "perfect." I have a pretty good SI2 too (appraised as "conservative" SI2)... for a while, it was like a contest with myself ..Can I see it????? How about NOW? and the answer was usually NO.

Constant, intense scrutiny sucks the joy right out of the whole diamond thing. Put the loupe away and only use it when you want to check somehting, e.g., you hit it really hard and want to make sure stone's okay.

 

[headlight]

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On 9/20/2004 11:00:15 PM Jennifer5973 wrote:


Constant, intense scrutiny sucks the joy right out of the whole diamond thing.

Great point -- and this should apply to running it through the HCA, comparing it against the Gem Appraiser parameters, etc. If you've already got it, then just be happy with what you've got!

 

[diamondg]

Thank you all for your advice. Jen's cosmic energy advise had me lost.
I will take it to have it professionaly cleaned tomorrow, and let you know if it works.
Im a nurse and need to wash my hands every 5 minutes. All the other nurses seem to wash there hands with there rings on. Can anybody suggest the best way to keep a ring clean, other than not wearing it.
Its 1.5ct set in white gold. Im thinking of getting a sonic cleaner.

 

[headlight]

I have the same problem -- if it even gets the bit "mucked up" with soaps, etc., it looks like garbage. But, for some reason, it seems like everyone else can wash their hands with their rings on, no problem. (Although, I do notice other people's rings that look all "filmy"). For me, the use of an ultrasonic cleaner wasn't the answer. It is really about using a steamer, with distilled water. And all those jewelry cleaning solutions also just made a build-up.

 

[ame]

I soak it in a solution of ammonia and water for a while every night after scrubbing with a wet soft toothbrush. I use Steam curlers in my hair to straighten my hair (sounds odd I know) and while its starting up I will flash my stone over the steam real fast just to break down any last filmies, then make sure I clean well around prongs with a soft tshirt.

I can relate to the loupe stuff. I am OBSESSED with staring at it. I love seeing my inclusions though because that just assures me that its MY stone.

 

[AdaBeta27]

Most appraisals I've gotten from jewelers have some words to the effect that another appraiser may rate this stone slightly differently, which most people agree means just one color grade or one clarity grade up or down from the appraisal.

 

[oldminer]

Nearly any person who buys an SI2 diamond eventually gets to the point where they can spot some portion of the inclusions in their diamond. It can happen because of soap or dirt film on the pavilion. It also happens that once you find the visible mark you tend to re-visit it enough that you are sure you now see it when you originally didn't see it all. You then might be inclined to believe the diamond somehow changed to a lower clarity,which would be highly unlikely.




A diamond's apparent clarity can be lowered by a dirt or soap film, or by glass in-filling that has disappeared from inside the diamond. Glass in-filling, a clarity enhancement, also known as Yehuda treated, does and will degrade over time, but any honest seller sells these types of diamonds as "Clarity enhanced" or at the very least "CE". You see "CE" applied to many diamonds on E-Bay. If you want a defective and problematic stone E-Bay and the like are great places to shop.




A diamond's true clarity can only be lowered if an inclusion opens up from a blow or from a breakage in the surface. While these events are not commonplace, they can occur.




Nearly everyone I have seen in the past 30+ years who felt they had a clarity degradation was looking at only a reflection of the mounting material inside their diamond or at a dirty stone.

 

[diamondg]

Thanks everybody
Had ring cleaned, made a world of difference!
2 questions
Will an ultra sonic cleaner loosen small stones from white gold 18k?

When looking at the ring through looupe, it appears inclusions are at the top, on the flat surface. Round cut. Is this an illusion or are the inclusions probabely at the top of the diamond?

 

[Jennifer5973]

Yay!

Don't you feel better?

There was just a thread today about ultrasonic cleaners that answers your question:

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/ultrasonic-cleaners-safety.19448/

 

[Blueman33]

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On 9/20/2004 11:15:19 PM headlight wrote:

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On 9/20/2004 11:00:15 PM Jennifer5973 wrote:


Constant, intense scrutiny sucks the joy right out of the whole diamond thing.

Great point -- and this should apply to running it through the HCA, comparing it against the Gem Appraiser parameters, etc. If you've already got it, then just be happy with what you've got!
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What good advice. I haven't gotten my stone yet, but the advice goes for a lot of things, including mates. If you sit around with a 'loup' and try to find the inclusions in your mate, you will miss the beautry.

Intense scrutiny will suck the joy right out of the relationship thing.

And comparing her to the girls at work, the media parameters, etc.

So use the loup in picking one. If you really got a bad deal, use the 10 day return allowance and send her (him) back quick! Otherwise, if you've already got her (him), then just be happy with what you've got!

 

[ame]

That could be what made yours an SI2