Should I keep this diamond? Please help.

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Hello All,

I am going mad. Please help me. Should I keep this diamond?

Here are the specs: GIA cert, round, 1.51 carat, 60.6 depth, 60 table, H color, SI1 clarity, med girdle, no culet, VG polish, G sym, no flour, measuring 7.36 x 7.44 x 4.51.

I have been told that it looks like 1.6 carats.

The diamond is eye clean. Two crystals under the center of the table, 1 crystal near the outer portion of the table, and 1 needle under the outer perimeter of the diamond.

At $8,300 USD, is it a good, very good, or excellent value?
F.Y.I., the service at [email protected] calculated the cost of the diamond to be approximately 15% "under what I would expect." Do you agree with this approximation? I have priced other diamonds with discounts of approximately 25% "under what I would expect", which makes me question the value I am getting.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks!

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[Arlington]

Who told you it looks like 1.6 carats? An ideal cut 1.50 ct round should be about 7.4mm.

Yours appears to be somewhat out of round...which is possibly why it received a "good" symmetry grade by the GIA as opposed to Very Good or Excellent.

 

[pqcollectibles]

60/60 diamonds are unique and definitely not the "ideal" cut. Some are absolutely gorgeous and others are outright duds. They do tend to look larger in size than their true carat weight.

Maybe one of the pros/more knowledgeable regulars will chime in for you on value.

 

[RockDoc]

Doesn't sound like an excellent value to me.

Regardless of what it looks like its still the carat weight it is.

You're making the critical error of buying price instead of the diamond. Once you spend the money - the money will be gone and you have the diamond in place of the money, so you should make sure its the stone you want.

In addition, relying on SIGHT UNSEEEN OPINION based on number is very foolish to do.

Regardless of the expert you select, find someone with exteneisve gemological equipment and education and let them advise you as to how good the stone is, and if it is the quality you really want.


Rockdoc

 

[Mara]

Do you love the stone? It doesn't sound like a horrible stone, but you only gave us limited information....so who knows. But if you really like it...then maybe that helps you figure out the answer.




The price sounds good for a stone of that size, color, clarity, but CUT is really what is important. If the stone is horribly cut then that 'deal' is really no deal at all.




Do as RockDoc suggested, get an independent appraiser to check it out for you. Having random people look at it and tell you its under what 'you could expect' as you noted, does not make much sense for a decision of this magnitude. Pay the $100 or $200 to have the workup done on the stone. Then figure out if you want to keep it.




As for looking bigger than it is..that diameter should make the stone look pretty much like a 1.50c stone..definitely not a 1.6c...so I don't know who told you that, but they are wrong. A very well cut 1.5c stone has the diameter of around 7.45-7.50. So basically your stone BARELY looks like a 1.5. The stone is a bit out of round, as the others noted as well. May not be a visual big difference, but something to note.




Get the appraisal. Good luck!

 

[niceice]

The diamond is not "out of round" until the difference between the minimum and maximum outside diameters is more than 10/100's of a millimeter and this one is only 8/100's. The symmetry grade of a diamond is based upon the consistency of facet shape, size and alignment. Without knowing the critical Crown and Pavilion angle measurements, there is no way of accurately letting you know what we think about the potential of the diamond or the price, something that we're amazed that anybody would attempt to determine without knowing enough information to be accurate with... The proportions of a diamond can not be determined without knowing the crown and pavilion angles and the overall proportions rating can have a 60% effect on the price of the stone! Yowza! It's like saying I'm looking at a 1996 GMC Yukon that is in "good condition" how much is it worth and finding some dealer who says that it's worth $25K but they threw that number out without ever finding out what the mileage actually is... Get a Sarin or OGI computerized proportions analysis of the diamond and send it to an independent GIA Graduate Gemologist for verification. Just our two cents.

 

[Arlington]

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On 10/30/2003 4:51:23 PM niceice wrote:

The diamond is not 'out of round' until the difference between the minimum and maximum outside diameters is more than 10/100's of a millimeter and this one is only 8/100's.----------------

That's an interesting little fact that hadn't heard before. Thanks for mentioning it! I don't know that I had ever seen a diamond with exactly the same min and max diameters, so obviously there must be some leeway afforded there.

I do wonder if that .1mm rule is universal, however. I mean, .1mm difference in the min and max diameter on a .50ct stone is much more relevant than on a 2 ct. stone don't you think?

 

[in_need_of_help]

I feel like I’ve been duped.

I mean, the diamond looks very nice, but I can’t tell.

Now I have to pay another $150-200 to have the crown and pavilion angles and depth % measured. By the way, for a 60.6/60 cut, what kind of values should I be looking for? When I find out the values, I will use them for the HCA formula.

If the values are bad, then I have to send it back and I just wasted a few hundred bucks.

Thanks.

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[in_need_of_help]

Hello All,

Thanks for all of the info.

I will get the crown and pavilion angles and depth % tomorrow and ask for you advice once more, this time with more information.

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