Seen a (I think!) beautiful ring priced at $9,250, thoughts?

[dubai_dan]

Saw this beauty today:

GIA REPORT NUMBER
1169723500

DATE OF ISSUE
2/04/2014

DIAMOND GRADING REPORT
ROUND BRILLIANT

Measurements 6.62 - 6.65 x 4.13 mm
Carat Weight 1.12 carat
Color Grade E
Clarity Grade VS1
Cut Grade Excellent
PROPORTIONS

Depth 62.3 %
Table 57 %
Crown Angle 35.5°
Crown Height 15.0%
Pavilion Angle 41.0°
Pavilion Depth 43.0%
Star Length 50%
Lower Half 80%
Girdle Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted, 4.0%
Culet None
FINISH

Polish Excellent
Symmetry Excellent
FLUORESCENCE

Fluorescence Faint
CLARITY CHARACTERISTICS

Clarity Characteristics Crystal, Pinpoint, Indented Natural
INSCRIPTION(S)

GIA 1169723500

From my poor knowledge of diamonds, it doesn't sound like a bad deal and the diamond looks gorgeous - but are there any points there that I should be wary of? The price is also inclusive of an 18 carat thin, white gold band, half encrusted with diamonds. Have I found the one?

Thanks everyone

Dan.

 

[Gypsy]

Re: Seen a (I think!) beautiful ring priced at $9,250, thoug

Why are you wasting money on an E VS1. A G VS2 when set will look the same and will save you money. That said, the price is good at all for an E VS1. And if it performs well, it could be a very nice deal.

Can you buy an idealscope and learn to use it (25 bucks) and see how it performs? http://www.ideal-scope.com/cart_zoom_item.asp?Id=2&ShowAdd=Y and how to use it: http://www.ideal-scope.com/1.using_howto.asp


he entire purpose of faceting a diamond is to reflect light.
How well or how poorly a diamond does this determines how beautiful it is.
How well a diamond performs is determined by the angles and cutting. This is why we say cut is king.
No other factor: not color, not clarity has as much of an impact on the appearance of a diamond as its cut. An ideal H will out white a poorly cut F. And GIA Ex is not enough.
So how to we ensure that we have the right angles and cutting to get the light performance we want?
https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/diamond-cut
Well one method is to start with a GIA Ex, and then apply the HCA to it. YOU DO NOT USE HCA for AGS0 stones.
https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/holloway-cut-advisor
The HCA is a rejection tool. Not a selection tool. It uses 4 data points to make a rudimentary call on how the diamond may perform.
If the diamond passes then you know that you are in the right zone in terms of angles for light performance. Under 2 is a pass. Under 2.5-2.1 is a maybe. Over 2.5 is a no. No score under 2 is better than any other.
Is that enough? Not really.
So what you need is a way to check actual light performance of your actual stone.
That's what an idealscope image does. https://www.pricescope.com/wiki/diamonds/firescope-idealscope
It shows you how and wear your diamond is reflecting light, how well it is going at it, and where you are losing light return. That is why you won't see us recommending Blue Nile, as they do not provide idealscope images for their diamonds. James Allen and WF do.

The Idealscope is the 'selection tool'. Not the HCA.
So yes, with a GIA stone you need the idealscope images. Or you can buy an idealscope yourself and take it in to the jeweler you are working with to check the stones yourself. Or if you have a good return policy (full refund minimum 7 days) then you can buy the idealscope, buy the stone, and do it at home.


Now if you want to skip all that... stick to AGS0 stones and then all you have to do is pick color and clarity and you know you have a great performing diamond. Because AGS has already done the checking for you. That's why they trade at a premium.

 

[Stive85]

Re: Seen a (I think!) beautiful ring priced at $9,250, thoug

Saw this beauty today:

GIA REPORT NUMBER
1169723500

DATE OF ISSUE
2/04/2014

DIAMOND GRADING REPORT
ROUND BRILLIANT

Measurements 6.62 - 6.65 x 4.13 mm
Carat Weight 1.12 carat
Color Grade E
Clarity Grade VS1
Cut Grade Excellent
PROPORTIONS

Depth 62.3 %
Table 57 %
Crown Angle 35.5°
Crown Height 15.0%
Pavilion Angle 41.0°
Pavilion Depth 43.0%
Star Length 50%
Lower Half 80%
Girdle Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted, 4.0%
Culet None
FINISH

Polish Excellent
Symmetry Excellent
FLUORESCENCE

Fluorescence Faint
CLARITY CHARACTERISTICS

Clarity Characteristics Crystal, Pinpoint, Indented Natural
INSCRIPTION(S)

GIA 1169723500

From my poor knowledge of diamonds, it doesn't sound like a bad deal and the diamond looks gorgeous - but are there any points there that I should be wary of? The price is also inclusive of an 18 carat thin, white gold band, half encrusted with diamonds. Have I found the one?

Thanks everyone

Dan.

Pass on this one.... scores a 3.9 on the HCA.

A bit too deep for me personally and I don't like those angles together.

Did you see it in a jewelery store? Reason I ask is because their lights are literally worth thousands of dollars to make every diamond, cut poorly or not, sparkle.

May I ask why you haven't looked online? is that an option?

 

[dubai_dan]

Re: Seen a (I think!) beautiful ring priced at $9,250, thoug

Thanks for the swift, detailed replies I'll take your advice, and avoid the diamond.

I saw it in a local, well reputed jewellery shop out here in Dubai. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if I can get an idealscope here in Dubai, a quick Google proved fruitless.

This was another more budget option diamond I found, price around the $6,500 mark:

DIAMOND GRADING REPORT
ROUND BRILLIANT

Measurements 6.34 - 6.36 x 4.00 mm
Carat Weight 1.00 carat
Color Grade E
Clarity Grade SI1
Cut Grade Very Good
PROPORTIONS

Depth 63.0 %
Table 57 %
Crown Angle 36.5°
Crown Height 16.0%
Pavilion Angle 40.8°
Pavilion Depth 43.0%
Star Length 50%
Lower Half 80%
Girdle Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted, 4.0%
Culet None
FINISH

Polish Excellent
Symmetry Excellent
FLUORESCENCE

Fluorescence Medium Blue
CLARITY CHARACTERISTICS

Clarity Characteristics Crystal, Cloud, Feather, Needle
COMMENTS

Additional clouds are not shown.
Pinpoints are not shown.

INSCRIPTION(S)

GIA 1178070626

I've not actually considered looking online, it scares me not been able to see if before I buy! Living in Dubai too, it makes life a bit difficult as the mail system is pretty poor.

I didn't realise buying a rock would be so hard

Thanks everyone.

Dan.

 

[Gypsy]

Re: Seen a (I think!) beautiful ring priced at $9,250, thoug

run through hca it scores poorly.

PASS on that one.

Please learn to use HCA for your self.

 

[Stive85]

Re: Seen a (I think!) beautiful ring priced at $9,250, thoug

Thanks for the swift, detailed replies I'll take your advice, and avoid the diamond.

I saw it in a local, well reputed jewellery shop out here in Dubai. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if I can get an idealscope here in Dubai, a quick Google proved fruitless.

This was another more budget option diamond I found, price around the $6,500 mark:

DIAMOND GRADING REPORT
ROUND BRILLIANT

Measurements 6.34 - 6.36 x 4.00 mm
Carat Weight 1.00 carat
Color Grade E
Clarity Grade SI1
Cut Grade Very Good
PROPORTIONS

Depth 63.0 %
Table 57 %
Crown Angle 36.5°
Crown Height 16.0%
Pavilion Angle 40.8°
Pavilion Depth 43.0%
Star Length 50%
Lower Half 80%
Girdle Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted, 4.0%
Culet None
FINISH

Polish Excellent
Symmetry Excellent
FLUORESCENCE

Fluorescence Medium Blue
CLARITY CHARACTERISTICS

Clarity Characteristics Crystal, Cloud, Feather, Needle
COMMENTS

Additional clouds are not shown.
Pinpoints are not shown.

INSCRIPTION(S)

GIA 1178070626

I've not actually considered looking online, it scares me not been able to see if before I buy! Living in Dubai too, it makes life a bit difficult as the mail system is pretty poor.

I didn't realise buying a rock would be so hard

Thanks everyone.

Dan.

Again... Pass, too deep again and scores 3.7 on HCA... Plus it is not cut to the best standard, which is the most important aspect.

Take Gypsy's advice, you don't need an E... Move down to a G and you wont tell the difference at all..

I can see how you would be hesitant to purchase online, but the reality is it is very safe and you will be sure to get an excellent stone after your provided with the right documentation. It's great you came here first before purchasing, because it will at least help you buy a diamond that is totally stunning and of top quality.

I don't mean to put down the diamonds your looking at, but in reality they aren't that good and you could do much better for the budget you seem to have..

 

[Gypsy]

Re: Seen a (I think!) beautiful ring priced at $9,250, thoug

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/1.016-g-vs2-round-diamond-ags-bl-104067973020
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/11493/ 1.2 carat
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3063732.htm

http://www.engagementringsdirect.com/1.01-carat-f-vs2-excellent-round-cut-diamond-gid-180382.html ERD can call this one in for you and provide you with an Idealscope image. The price is great.
http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-5044394-1.02-carat-Round-diamond-F-color-VS2-Clarity.aspx?sku=5044394&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com When this diamond is available BCs can get you an idealscope

http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-4718324-1.01-carat-Round-diamond-G-color-VS2-Clarity.aspx?sku=4718324&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com They can get you this one now.

 

[Gypsy]

Re: Seen a (I think!) beautiful ring priced at $9,250, thoug

Shopping in person is fine. And honestly the vendor you are working with is giving you good pricing. If you want to keep working with them best thing you can do is ask the vendor for AGS0 stones. That will be simpliest.
Alternately:
Here's a cheat sheet to use for numbers for GIA ONLY (do not use for AGS0). Though it IS uncessecarily restrictive for people who can just use the HCA and get an idealscope, since you won't be getting idealscope images that is actually a good thing for you.

So give the below to the vendor and have them find you a couple G/F VS2 stones in this number range.

depth - 60 - 62% - although my personal preference is to allow up to 62.3%
table - 54- 57%
crown angle - 34- 35 degrees
pavilion angle - 40.6- 41 degrees
girdle - avoid extremes, look for thin to slightly thick, thin to medium etc
polish and symmetry - very good and above

note - with crown and pavilion angles at the shallower ends ( CA 34- PA 40.6) and steeper ( CA 35- PA 41) check to make sure these angles complement in that particular diamond by checking with the HCA (you have the link above).

You can use your smart phone for the HCA (and there may be an App even, though I don't know).

 

[Stive85]

Re: Seen a (I think!) beautiful ring priced at $9,250, thoug

The above is great advice.

Tell the vendor your working with you want an AGS triple 0... It's a safe bet and will take any guess work for you out of the picture.

Your sure to get a good stone from that grade alone, but will pay in the upper area for it.

 

[Gypsy]

Re: Seen a (I think!) beautiful ring priced at $9,250, thoug

One little tweak. Ags is not triple zero. All you need is an ideal (0) for light performance.

 

[dubai_dan]

Re: Seen a (I think!) beautiful ring priced at $9,250, thoug

Thanks all, will share my findings when I go back!

 

[dubai_dan]

Re: Seen a (I think!) beautiful ring priced at $9,250, thoug

Actually, I don't think the jewellers here do AGSL

 

[Stive85]

Re: Seen a (I think!) beautiful ring priced at $9,250, thoug

One little tweak. Ags is not triple zero. All you need is an ideal (0) for light performance.

hah touche.. I just wanted to give him what to tell his jeweler... AGS triple ideal or whatever... But thanks for the correction Gypsy!

 

[Gypsy]

Re: Seen a (I think!) beautiful ring priced at $9,250, thoug

That's why I gave you the GIA cheat sheet. GIA Ex cut only. And narrow with cheat sheet.

 

[dubai_dan]

Re: Seen a (I think!) beautiful ring priced at $9,250, thoug

Done some digging around and found something else I like.

My one concern is that it falls slightly outside the boundaries of Gypsy's specs in terms of crown angle, although it performs very well on the HCA ( 0.8 ).

Is the crown angle enough for me to stay clear?

Here's the GIA: http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?reportno=5163844592&childpagename=GIA/Page/ReportCheck&pagename=GIA/Dispatcher&c=Page&cid=1355954554547

Thanks!
Dan.

 

[Stive85]

Re: Seen a (I think!) beautiful ring priced at $9,250, thoug

Done some digging around and found something else I like.

My one concern is that it falls slightly outside the boundaries of Gypsy's specs in terms of crown angle, although it performs very well on the HCA ( 0.8 ).

Is the crown angle enough for me to stay clear?

Here's the GIA: http://www.gia.edu/cs/Satellite?reportno=5163844592&childpagename=GIA/Page/ReportCheck&pagename=GIA/Dispatcher&c=Page&cid=1355954554547

Thanks!
Dan.

Hi Dan,

That looks better... However, I notice that the main inclusion is a crystal right in the dead center of the table, and looks to be a decent size. Have you seen it in person?

I understand your hesitation of buying online, but in all honesty for your budget you could get an AGS0 in the 1 caret region that is guaranteed to sparkle.. It would take any worry or decision out of your buying.

That being said, if you must got with a jeweler could they not provide a few options for you? Given the specs that Gypsy laid out? Your next step would be to get an idealscope of the stone.

 

[dubai_dan]

Re: Seen a (I think!) beautiful ring priced at $9,250, thoug

I think I might have cracked it! Visited a store today and they have this in stock that I will be able to see tomorrow. The only issue is, there will be no chances of an idealscope image, 1.5 on HCA. The diamond including ring will come in at 9800 USA.

These are the report details:
GIA REPORT NUMBER
6167006213

DATE OF ISSUE
4/11/2014
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DIAMOND GRADING REPORT
ROUND BRILLIANT

Measurements 6.64 - 6.66 x 4.10 mm
Carat Weight 1.10 carat
Color Grade F
Clarity Grade VS2
Cut Grade Excellent
PROPORTIONS

Depth 61.7 %
Table 56 %
Crown Angle 35.0°
Crown Height 15.5%
Pavilion Angle 40.8°
Pavilion Depth 43.0%
Star Length 55%
Lower Half 80%
Girdle Medium, Faceted, 3.0%
Culet None
FINISH

Polish Excellent
Symmetry Excellent
FLUORESCENCE

Fluorescence None
CLARITY CHARACTERISTICS

Clarity Characteristics Crystal, Feather, Needle
COMMENTS

Pinpoints are not shown.

Any alarm bells ringing?

Thanks, you're all a lovely bunch of people who are going to make my girl a very happy bunny!

Dan.

 

[luvdajules]

Re: Seen a (I think!) beautiful ring priced at $9,250, thoug

this one looks very promising. Check with loupe but with a VS2, should be pretty safe. Hope it looks awesome!

 

[dubai_dan]

Re: Seen a (I think!) beautiful ring priced at $9,250, thoug

Thanks a lot Does it seem a decent price for the quality would you say? It's a little over budget, but willing to pay that little bit more for something exceptional. Looked through two catalogues of diamonds, (probably about 100 in the F/G, VS2, Excellent Cut, 1ct-1.2ct range) and that was the only one that was within Gypsy's specs that passed the HCA! Hopefully the search is over Any more comments from you experts would be so appreciated

 

[Gypsy]

Re: Seen a (I think!) beautiful ring priced at $9,250, thoug

That's a nice stone.

I like it.

 

[dubai_dan]

Re: Seen a (I think!) beautiful ring priced at $9,250, thoug

YAY! Glad I have your seal of approval Gypsy! Now, for the ring it's going to be a very thin band, half encrusted with diamonds, what settings are recommended to make the most out of the beautiful diamond?

Thanks again everyone for your input

 

[Gypsy]

Re: Seen a (I think!) beautiful ring priced at $9,250, thoug

http://www.victorcanera.com/jewelry/engagement-rings/the-alaria-solitaire-with-flush-stems

 

[dubai_dan]

Re: Seen a (I think!) beautiful ring priced at $9,250, thoug

Sorry for being awful and taking a year to update! How did you all cope?! Here she is...

https://instagram.com/p/olqkbRttWs/

https://instagram.com/p/olgXf-ttSI/

She said yes thankfully

Really appreciate everyone's help!

 

[ringo865]

Re: Seen a (I think!) beautiful ring priced at $9,250, thoug

Congrats @Dubai_dan! The ring turned out beautiful!! You did a great job and certainly learned a lot with the help of all these great people. Congratulations to you both.