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Has anyone ever rec''d a Sarin or ASET scope image on a diamond from Mark at ERD? I am interested in a particular diamond and the polish and symmetry is VG/G. I feel nervous about the "Good" symmetry" and Ext THk girdle. I saw the stone in person but think that I got caught up with the carat weight (size 2.70 ct) .

Wanted more information and the only thing he can offer is a digitial photo? Please advise - as I think I am driving this wonderful guy crazy :)

Cushion Brilliant
2.70 Ct
F color
VS2 clarity
Polish/Sym - VG/G
measurements - 8.95 X 7.90 X 5.40mm
Culet - Very Small
No Flour
L/W ratio 1:13
table - 54%
depth - 68.4%
 
Cushions are one of those shapes that are better bought by eye rather than numbers--and by all accounts, Mark has a GREAT eye for cushions. The VG on polish doesn''t concern me at all, and if he feels the Good on symmetry is not an issue, I would go with his opinion. It is tough to find good cushions in that size.
 
For fun I did the math and find the visible area of this diamond will be very much the same as a 61% depth round diamond with an 8.9mm diameter. So, eventhough the depth is 68.4% and the girdle is EX THK, the stone is not going to be a poor one for the visual size to weight relationship. The looks of the diamond is still what one must consider. I can't guess how good it will look or perform, but it may be worth a close examiniation. Cushions are the most difficult fancy shape to quantify. Possibly you'll find the girdle is only Ex Thk in a few places, too. In a large fancy shape diamond, the good symmetry may not hurt anything important. On the other hand, you may be able to see the symmetry fault. Again, we can't tell without seeing it up close.
 
Anything to be offered from the pic sent?

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Did Mark send you a face up photo? That would be very useful if so, if not ask him for one.
 
Yes, but I cannot post cause the file is to big.
 
Regarding the girdle - it was listed on GIA cert as thin to extremley thick, the jeweler said the thin side was on the corner and also towards the middle. The girdle indicator based on the certificate is on the corner. The extremley thick is where the girdle turns around the corners. Should I have any concerns? This along with the "Good" symmetry is my concerns as I have no other information on paper to go by. I asked for more pics and will post if I am able. The last pic of the front view was to large to post? P/S site keep alerting me that file was to large.
 
To resize the photo, if you are using a PC.

Open up Paint, open the photo file, then in the Image menu, select Stretch/Skew and enter equal values for vertical and horizontal (try about 30% to start). Save the file with a new filename and then try to upload. The file has to be under 100kb to load to PS.
 
Date: 6/29/2009 2:12:43 PM
Author: Newbie627
Regarding the girdle - it was listed on GIA cert as thin to extremley thick, the jeweler said the thin side was on the corner and also towards the middle. The girdle indicator based on the certificate is on the corner. The extremley thick is where the girdle turns around the corners. Should I have any concerns? This along with the ''Good'' symmetry is my concerns as I have no other information on paper to go by. I asked for more pics and will post if I am able. The last pic of the front view was to large to post? P/S site keep alerting me that file was to large.
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The report doesn''t usually note where an extremely thick part is on the girdle, just that it is there so if that is what Mark told you then I would be comfortable with that. Good symmetry, the naked untrained eye will not discern any difference between good and higher.

Jet gave good advice on resizing the image, if you have more problems posting the image, email it to admin and they will post it for you.
 
Here it is face up

2.70 F VS2 Cushion 05.jpg
 
Another

2.70 F VS2 Cushion 02.jpg
 
Date: 6/29/2009 4:56:19 PM
Author: Newbie627
Here it is face up
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It looks like a nice cushion, the image isn't that clear but it gives some idea. Second pic, I like it, is it what you are looking for concerning faceting, shape, personality etc?
 
Lorelei:

I have been looking for a cushion diamond for over 8 months now. I want a diamond that catches the eye with its sparkle etc. I have waited this long and have no problem waiting longer - just so that I know that it is the one. I looked at the diamond in Marks office and all that I remember was that it looked clean and white. I do not recall sparkle - but then again I was not really looking at it that good as I did not think my husband was going to agree to that diamond.... as it was double the price of the others (which were 2ct stones). I think I got caught up with the size as it was so much larger then the other three diamonds sitting before me. I may have to travel back to NY to take another look. WIsh I could decide by the photos. It may be hard for me to get over there by tomorrow. I just wanted to ask all of the experts on this site if there was something jumping out as a potential problem optically that I should focus on. Something that could be a problem when I am looking at it everyday. My current diamond has no life. It is an H color, SI 1 clean stone - but it is FLAT. Thus the reason is that it is a bad cut. Who knew another about cut 10 years ago. Once the diamond is set it is non-refundable. Therefore I have to get this right the first time around. I could wire the money get the diamond ponder over it and then decide - but Mark would rather I "NOT" do that as someone else is very interested in this stone. Since I have money on it..I have first dibbs at it. I have to decide by tomorrow to take it or leave it to the other buyer. Please help....
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I am stressing about what to do.

Do you guys see any bowtie or fish eye when looking at the pics? Does it sparkle per the pics to you?
 
The pictures were taken under white flourescent lighting. The white balancing was done by the camera The jeweler said this is not the 100% true color? There are many things influencing how a diamond will photograph.

I sent an email to ask what lighting the photos were taken under - normal, flourescent etc. .........and that was the response?
 
Date: 6/29/2009 5:32:40 PM
Author: Newbie627
Lorelei:

I have been looking for a cushion diamond for over 8 months now. I want a diamond that catches the eye with its sparkle etc. I have waited this long and have no problem waiting longer - just so that I know that it is the one. I looked at the diamond in Marks office and all that I remember was that it looked clean and white. I do not recall sparkle - but then again I was not really looking at it that good as I did not think my husband was going to agree to that diamond.... as it was double the price of the others (which were 2ct stones). I think I got caught up with the size as it was so much larger then the other three diamonds sitting before me. I may have to travel back to NY to take another look. WIsh I could decide by the photos. It may be hard for me to get over there by tomorrow. I just wanted to ask all of the experts on this site if there was something jumping out as a potential problem optically that I should focus on. Something that could be a problem when I am looking at it everyday. My current diamond has no life. It is an H color, SI 1 clean stone - but it is FLAT. Thus the reason is that it is a bad cut. Who knew another about cut 10 years ago. Once the diamond is set it is non-refundable. Therefore I have to get this right the first time around. I could wire the money get the diamond ponder over it and then decide - but Mark would rather I ''NOT'' do that as someone else is very interested in this stone. Since I have money on it..I have first dibbs at it. I have to decide by tomorrow to take it or leave it to the other buyer. Please help....
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I am stressing about what to do.

Do you guys see any bowtie or fish eye when looking at the pics? Does it sparkle per the pics to you?
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I do understand, I know it is hard and especially when you SO want to get it right! If possible I would definitely go back and take another look, ask Mark if you can view it away from any store lights to get a better idea of how it looks. Fluorescent lighting won''t show you everything it can do, so see if you can view it in plain daylight if possible. I don''t see a bow tie in the pics, but best to check in person, I wouldn''t think fish eye would be a problem. Also especially in the pics it does look as if it will sparkle and it has nice chunky faceting. If you can see it again thats what I would do but if you aren''t sure don''t rush into it, there are other cushions out there . Also how would you feel if the other person grabbed it - think about it? If you feel devastated then that might be telling....
 
It looks to be a very pretty diamond, and I personally wouldn''t be overly concerned with the thick girdle. Thick is better than thin to prevent chipping.
 
he doesnt do that stuff--for a reason. I never bought from him for this reason. an extremely thick girdle hides a lot of weight but it is common in cushions. personally i would prefer a depth of less than 67 and a med girdle. you can do better...
 
http://www.sendspace.com/file/ezbwql


Here is a video of the diamond - sure hope you can view it
 
Hello bgray:

Thanks for the feedback.

Regarding the depth at 68.4 I do realize it was a little deep, I did read some posts regarding hidden weight. Was wondering about this - ----if anyone can answer. The table is 54% - depth is 68.4% - the l/w ration at 1:13. This stone is a 2.70 ct and the measurements are 8.95 X 7.90 X 5.40mm. The measurements have this stone looking like a 3 carat which is the complete opposite of what you would think with a high depth. You would think hidden weight, right?? How does that happen? Look up 3 ct diamonds for measurement purposes and this 2.70 diamond actually has measurements that exceed some??? - maybe the 3 cts are cut deep? - even so the 3ct vs my perspective diamond is a .30 difference.

Just curious in the case anyone had any feedback.

Also - has anyone been able to view the video - curious as to watch you think.
 
cushions are often deep--could be pavilion depth, girdle thickness or crown height OR some combination of those. Certain excesses of weight are more acceptable than others-ie a 16% crown may eat up some spread but can make for a magnificant stone. this is when sarins can help i suppose. your cushion is more oblong so the weight may be more spread along the length than concentrated on the top or bottom. i think the diameter measurements seem small for a 2.70 carat stone.
 
Thanks for the feeback bgray - really appreciate it. Did you happen to view the video. Was wondering what everyone thought? Does anyone happen to know what a stone like this would cost? Wish I could get a sarin on the diamond, unfortunatley they do not have the equipment to do this kind of report for me. Are there any other stones out there around this particular carat weight to compare it to? Someone mentioned in a previous post that larger carat cushions are hard to come by. Made me think that anything over 2.50 ct of quality would be hard to come by. Thanks again :)
 
kcoursolle - thanks for your response back - did you happen to view the video of this stone? - link posted above. Thanks

Lorelei / Oldminer - would love to hear what you think as well.
 
One thing to keep in mind on depth % is that it is figured based on the narrowest part of the stone (so 5.40mm/7.90mm in this case) One reason depths on elongated shapes tend to appear higher is that the pavillion angles change so much as you go around the stone. Figured at the center of the longer side (5.40mm/8.95mm) it would be ~60% and even less going to the corners, if that makes any sense. Dave gives a good example in his post above that a round with the same face up size would have about a 61% depth--right in an ideal range.
 
Jetskis - can you watch the video - link attached and let me know what you think? The paper is white behind his hand holding the stone - so I do not think there are any lights on it?? Would you say that this stone - optically performs in your eyes? I have to decide by tomorrow or let it go to another prespective buyer.
 
An extremely thick girdle at certain portions of a cushion cut is pretty common, as well as "good" symmetry, and a 68.4% depth is fine.
 
i cant get the video to load....
 
Try....

www.sendspace.com/file/ezbwql

then scroll down click on the link - let me know if you get to view?

Thx
 
Thanks for the feedback Richard. By any chance have you seen the video on it? I am wondering if anyone can open the link or just me because it was sent to me?? Let me know when you get a chance. Thx.
 
i saw the video--it doesnt really tell you much--looks very sparkly under hot lights. personally i would contact Union Diamond or GOG for a great cushion
 
Date: 6/30/2009 12:12:57 AM
Author: Newbie627
Thanks for the feedback Richard. By any chance have you seen the video on it? I am wondering if anyone can open the link or just me because it was sent to me?? Let me know when you get a chance. Thx.
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I can't seem to get the video to load...Also an important point - depth does not always relate to spread in fancy shapes ( the depth of this cushion is not an issue anyway as Rich and Dave point out) because fancy shapes can hold weight in different areas. Some think depth is depth in the same way as it is with rounds but it does not always work that way in fancy shapes.

See this quote of Dave's above.

"For fun I did the math and find the visible area of this diamond will be very much the same as a 61% depth round diamond with an 8.9mm diameter. So, eventhough the depth is 68.4% and the girdle is EX THK, the stone is not going to be a poor one for the visual size to weight relationship. The looks of the diamond is still what one must consider."
 
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