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thought us die-hard romantics would love the reassurance that modern technology can give us!
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True love shows up on brain scans

SCIENTISTS have discovered true love. Brain scans have proved that a small number of couples can respond with as much passion after 20 years as most people exhibit only in the first flush of love.

The findings overturn the conventional view that love and sexual desire peak at the start of a relationship and then decline as the years pass.

A team from Stony Brook University in New York scanned the brains of couples who had been together for 20 years and compared them with those of new lovers.

They found that about one in 10 of the mature couples exhibited the same chemical reactions when shown photographs of their loved ones as people commonly do in the early stages of a relationship.

Previous research suggested that the first stages of romantic love, a roller-coaster ride of mood swings and obsessions that psychologists call limerence, start to fade within 15 months. After 10 years, the chemical tide has ebbed away.

The scans of some of the long-term couples, however, revealed that elements of limerence mature, enabling them to enjoy what a new report calls intensive companionship and sexual liveliness.

The researchers nicknamed the couples swans because they have mental love maps similar to those of animals that mate for life such as swans, voles and grey foxes.

The reactions of the swans to pictures of their beloved were identified on MRI brain scans as a burst of pleasure-producing dopamine more commonly seen in couples who are gripped in the first flush of lust.

"The findings go against the traditional view of romance -- that it drops off sharply in the first decade -- but we are sure it''s real," said Arthur Aron, a psychologist at Stony Brook.

Previous research had laid out the fracture points in relationships as 12 to 15 months, three years and the infamous seven-year itch.

The Times

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aww thanks for sharing I enjoyed this!

funny enough looking back now, one and 3 years were a bit rocky for us, but luckily we seem to have escaped the 7 year itch!
 
Apparently the greatest risk of divorcing is within the first five years...

Now, I know science is meant to be impersonal, but you have to wonder how much science personnel''s personal experience and attitudes hampers investigation into this side of life.

I guess that''s why it took MRI scans to discover what apparently interviewees had been telling scientists all along!

In one of the news stories surrounding this story, there was a description of how in interviews, there always seemed a fairly high number of long-marrieds happy to say that they loved their partners as much as when they first met.

Until the MRI scans, according the newspaper article, the scientists had written these reports off as wishful thinking!!

It would be interesting to break it down according to gender, previous love history, etc etc.
 
Date: 1/6/2009 8:05:24 PM
Author: LaraOnline
Apparently the greatest risk of divorcing is within the first five years...
Isn''t it sort of silly to say there''s ever a "risk" of divorcing?
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Like there''s a "risk" of cancer or a "risk" of drug side effects... as though it''s a random affliction that can strike, and the most likely period for it to strike is within the first five years of marriage?
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It makes more sense to say that the highest rate of divorce is within the 0-5 years married range (if that''s true, I don''t really know). I hate thinking of divorce as something that you''re at "risk" of "happening" to you. It''s a much more involved process than something that there''s simply a "risk of."
 
Date: 1/6/2009 8:37:23 PM
Author: musey
Date: 1/6/2009 8:05:24 PM

Author: LaraOnline

Apparently the greatest risk of divorcing is within the first five years...

Isn't it sort of silly to say there's ever a 'risk' of divorcing?
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Like there's a 'risk' of cancer or a 'risk' of drug side effects... as though it's a random affliction that can strike, and the most likely period for it to strike is within the first five years of marriage?
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It makes more sense to say that the highest rate of divorce is within the 0-5 years married range (if that's true, I don't really know). I hate thinking of divorce as something that you're at 'risk' of 'happening' to you. It's a much more involved process than something that there's simply a 'risk of.'

haha yeah, that's a really good point. I guess 'rate' is a less het-up way of saying it.
That little 'tit-bit' isn't really related to the story anyway... I threw that in there, because its another piece of scientific flotsam that seems to back up the 'happy ever after'.

Oh, and another interesting thing about the long-termers in comparison with the young pups was that the newly in love showed a high degree of anxiety associated with their love, whereas the old-timers had very little anxiety associated with their loving feelings...

So, for some of us, it only gets better!
I love hearing these kinds of stories, because expectations go a long way in defining how popular culture (and us individuals within a culture) looks at love and marriage...
and in this culture, proven science can be king!
 
Sorry, one more interesting thing (because I just love talking to myself!
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The fact that other animals have similar brain scans when partnered!
And they say that animals don''t have feelings!!
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Date: 1/7/2009 7:52:44 PM
Author: LaraOnline
Sorry, one more interesting thing (because I just love talking to myself!
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The fact that other animals have similar brain scans when partnered!
And they say that animals don''t have feelings!!
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good point!!!!!!!!!!
 
Date: 1/7/2009 10:48:12 PM
Author: swedish bean
Date: 1/7/2009 7:52:44 PM

Author: LaraOnline

Sorry, one more interesting thing (because I just love talking to myself!
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The fact that other animals have similar brain scans when partnered!

And they say that animals don''t have feelings!!
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good point!!!!!!!!!!

aww that''s sweet, I wonder if one day my kitty will find love
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Date: 1/5/2009 11:49:11 PM
Author:LaraOnline
thought us die-hard romantics would love the reassurance that modern technology can give us!
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True love shows up on brain scans

SCIENTISTS have discovered true love. Brain scans have proved that a small number of couples can respond with as much passion after 20 years as most people exhibit only in the first flush of love.

The findings overturn the conventional view that love and sexual desire peak at the start of a relationship and then decline as the years pass.

A team from Stony Brook University in New York scanned the brains of couples who had been together for 20 years and compared them with those of new lovers.

They found that about one in 10 of the mature couples exhibited the same chemical reactions when shown photographs of their loved ones as people commonly do in the early stages of a relationship.

Previous research suggested that the first stages of romantic love, a roller-coaster ride of mood swings and obsessions that psychologists call limerence, start to fade within 15 months. After 10 years, the chemical tide has ebbed away.

The scans of some of the long-term couples, however, revealed that elements of limerence mature, enabling them to enjoy what a new report calls intensive companionship and sexual liveliness.

The researchers nicknamed the couples swans because they have mental love maps similar to those of animals that mate for life such as swans, voles and grey foxes.

The reactions of the swans to pictures of their beloved were identified on MRI brain scans as a burst of pleasure-producing dopamine more commonly seen in couples who are gripped in the first flush of lust.

''The findings go against the traditional view of romance -- that it drops off sharply in the first decade -- but we are sure it''s real,'' said Arthur Aron, a psychologist at Stony Brook.

Previous research had laid out the fracture points in relationships as 12 to 15 months, three years and the infamous seven-year itch.

The Times

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Well, I don''t know if my husband and I could be considered "mated for life", although he does call our relationship a "30 year marriage with some really long separations". We have a pretty interesting story he and I, so much so that although recently married, we estimate that we spent about 10 minutes being newlyweds - only because others insisted we do - and went straight to "old married". Anyway, I can tell you that after 30 "mai gawd...it really has been 30!
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- years, I still get flutters in my stomach from my man. I don''t know what''s going on in my brain, but other than the fact that neither one of us is quite as limber as we were, the rest is the same or better. We bowed to fate finally, and returned to the beginning, both of us. We''re so glad we did!
 
OMG LARA!!!!!!!!!!!! I heard about this on the news the other day and they said where you could find the article and I forgot to look for it that day at work and then I didn't know how to search for it. This is wonderful. S and I being together 10.5 years are still so much in love and it grows with every day. No lying. I'm dead serious here! People always say 'eh, the love wears off and things are different after 3 years' HELLO? 10.5 years and we haven't felt any love lost. I still need to cuddle by my man every night when we watch tv......
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It's crazy, I don't know how to explain it. But I honestly think we have true undying love.
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S and I must be one of the people this article is talking about. I always felt we were so different than others. YAY US!!!
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Thank you so much for finding this. I wanted to share it with him...
 
There are some other interesting offshoots from this story as well...

It has been suggested in the past that mating 'style (ie whether you're a one-woman guy, or a serial monogamist, hit and run etc etc) has a lot to do with genetics - quite apart from all the other influences, such as culture, and personal history/family background.

Of course, there are likely many swans out there that have genuinely been with the wrong person, or not 'fell on their feet' in the right way, and so their life history does not reflect their true (even genetically encoded) style of love.

No wonder there's so much angst and discussion about love! Everybody would think they've got the right way, depending on their particular style!

One of the offshoots of this latest MRI story was speculating on the possibility of dating agencies being able to select potential partners according to 'love style', so that the chances of broken hearts and angsty love poetry are (to some extent) reduced!

ETA: hmm, on re-reading the story it doesn't actually specify that other animals were brain scanned. I guess tht would be pretty difficult, let alone testing a real swan's attachment to a partner! The only thing that would likely show up on an MRI is 'terrified'!!My dumb...
So I guess the term 'mental love maps' is kind of an extrapolated journalistic phrase that refers to the animal behaviours and motivations biologists have just guessed at by viewing animals in the field.
 
Lara-LOL@the terrified swans. Thanks for posting this!! I really enjoyed it.

KSinger-nosey questions, have you posted your story before? Sounds very romantic!
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