ROYAL ASSCHER: READY TO BUY NEED SUGGESTIONS

[9301silver]

I think I have a winner. Let me know if anyone sees any reason that this would not be a fine selection. Buying the Royal Asscher for $9100.




GIA Report
Measurements: 6.04 X 6.01 X 4.17 mm
Weight: 1.23 carat
Depth: 69.4
Table: 56%
Cutlet: Small
Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Good
Clarity Grade: VS2
Color Grade: G
Fluorescence: NONE
Comments: Laser Inscription: [CROWN SYMBOL] ROYAL ASSCHER CUT,

A brilliance test was done on the diamond:


White Light: Medium


Color Light: High


Scintillation: High




Thanks for all suggestions.

 

[slyons29]

Hi, I am by no means an expert on diamonds, but I thought I would throw my 2 cents in. I noticed that much of the info for your stone is missing. Have you had a Sarin report run on it? This stone's info is missing crown angle, crown height, pavillion angle and pavillion depth. Is this stone a Royal Asscher or a square emerald cut? Usually there is a huge difference in the quality of the cut (Royal Asscher is branded and more expensive).

Also, this stone does not follow the 65/65 rule. *The 65/65 rule applies to all emerald and rectangular shaped diamonds. It states that in order for rectangular shaped diamonds to be considered well proportioned (princess, radiant, square, emerald and quadrillion), its table percentage and its total depth percentage must not exceed 65% of the stones width. Or it must have a table % from 53%-65% and total depth % from 56%-65% as well as conforming to the other class II guidelines. I've pasted the ideal specs for a class II Asscher here:
Table 53-65%
Total depth 56-65%
Crown angle 32-35 degrees
Crown height 11.2-16.2
Pavilion angle 43.3-46.8 degrees
Pavilion depth 47.1-53.1
Max girdle thickness of .7-1.7 medium preferred
Culet should be none
Clarity should go no lower than a VS-2 and no fluorescence
*credit for this info goes to How To Buy a Diamond by Fred Cuellar and his website www.diamoncuttersintl.com
see next post for more info>

 

[slyons29]

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I see from the stats you posted that this stone has a total depth of 69.4, which is way off from the 65/65 rule. What it means is that this diamonds will not perform well.

Finally, I did a search here on pricescope using the bare minimum of guidelines for asscher cut stones of the same or similar size, color and clarity, but following the 65/65 rule. I've pasted two below, the prices a significantly different and both stones are larger than the one they are asking $9100 for:

First Stone:
Carats: 1.29
Color: G
Clarity: VS2
Depth: 62.4%
Table: 61%
Girdle: Medium to thick
Culet: No
GIA Certificate
Measurements 6.27-6.23x3.89
PRICE: $6958

Second Stone:
Carats: 1.42
Color: H
Clarity: VS2
Depth: 64.9%
Table: 59%
Girdle: thn
Culet: sm
Measurements: 6.46x6.41x4.16
GIA Certificate
PRICE: $7493

Anyway, sorry so long and I certainly don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but I think that with a little more research on Asscher cuts/square emerald's (if that's what you are set on) you could get a ton more diamond of better quality for your buck, you could probably get closer to a 1.3 carat G/VS2 or even a 1.5 carat H/VS1 for your budget.

Good Luck in your buyin

g!

sl

 

[valeria101]

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On 9/29/2004 4:38:00 PM slyons29 wrote:

continued from previous post:

I see from the stats you posted that this stone has a total depth of 69.4, which is way off from the 65/65 rule. What it means is that this diamonds will not perform well.

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The respective standard is made for square emerald cuts - the RA is a brand with it's own rules and more facets than the standard EC.

Besides, the 65%/65% rule (or nay rule based on depth and table only) would not pinpoint light return (just in case this is what you mean by 'performance' - as customary).

The old Asscher cut (the old ones or the modern "Royal Asscher" brand) are both supposed to be deeper cut with relatively small tables. The old model was definitely more "wasteful" (deeper still) than the modern cut. So, to each his own.

The RA comes within a range of specs that do not target that 65-65 to begin with - and the stone posted just falls within those, as far as I know, of course.

The white light return score on the Brilliance Scope is way high for a step cut. Just a no-excuse faultless diamond, IMO

 

[valeria101]

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On 9/29/2004 4:32:06 PM slyons29 wrote:



*The 65/65 rule applies to all emerald and rectangular shaped diamonds. [...] *credit for this info goes to How To Buy a Diamond by Fred Cuellar

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So... no "Asscher" on the list. This brand has it's own rules as does Fred.

And there are more sets of rules, to be sure. Almost every seller comes up with one (DCD here, Blue Nile for their Signature Collection). I've heard of a 70-70 rule too! And AGA has it's own table for generic emerald cuts (square or not). Of all the standard makers, AGA in not a retailer.

But, every brand comes with it's own rules. You will dismiss all RA diamonds with someone else's rule of thumb!


Any mesurement of light return does on the diamond itself will be more precise to evaluate brilliance. Since this stone comes with such stats, what's the use of those numbers?

 

[didiamond]

I have to agree with Valeria here. I have read up on the Asschers (Royal and non-branded) and her point about the RA having it's own set of standards is correct. A true RA is deeper than a non-branded Asscher (square EC) and has more facets. It has 5 step cuts on the pavilion with 74 facets. A square EC 3-4 step cuts and 58 facets. The RA also has wider cut corners, whereas the square EC has smaller cut corners.

How does the stone look? When you look at it does look like a neverending pool? It's all in YOUR eyes! You don't necessarily have to go by the numbers. Now the RA will cost you more because of the name attached to it. If you found a square EC that really popped out at you, I'm sure you would pay less money (if that's a factor here).

Don't mind me, I've been drooling over Asschers for a while now!

 

[valeria101]

Here's one traditional EC with specs close to the RA - and probably quite a different look (pictures on page) to go with the price: LINK No 65%, but top brilliance and no excuse excellent finish for 1.23cts E-VS1

Close in price comes another: 1.41 E VS2 (LINK) and equally top (generic) pedigree.

These are already priced at some premium for their brilliance and finish... only less than the RA, as you can see.

Surely there are other step cut squares selected for optics and cut out there. These came handy on a familiar site. I could not thik of stonger contestants for a branded Asscher: if a fine Ec does not quite cut it, than you have the best choice already

 

[jenwill]

Valeria- sigh.......

I was hoping no one else had spotted that 1.23 on GOG...depending on what that inclusion looks like in real life, that is my dream stone...yummy medium blue flourescence...

Oh well, here's to hoping no one else is interested in it (riiiiiight)

 

[slyons29]

All great points, thank you for letting me know that RA have a different, branded set of specs.

Ultimately, my point was that to pay the higher premium on a RA is fine if that is an absolute must. However, there are many other options in square emerald cuts where you can get alot more diamond for your buck.

And I too am an Asscher junkie! Good luck with your purchase! -- sl

 

[Hest88]

In no way can a square emerald be compared to a Royal Asscher. Those extra facets create an incomparable pool-like effect. Personally, I'd trust the company to create a stone within their parameters and go with that. I think this stone sounds gorgeous and the price is pretty reasonable when I consider how much some branded RBs go for. Please remember to post a picture of the stone when you get it!

 

[9301silver]

Absolutely beautiful!!! I got it!!! Thanks for all the suggestions!!

 

[SLH]

Very pretty. Did you purchase your stone from Jan and Brad? There is another poster requesting info on asscher, perhaps you can help them out.

 

[9301silver]

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