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Requesting Aset for Princess Cut, Any recommendations?

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mavsfan632

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Hi everybody,

I realize that it is difficult to choose a diamond just based of the numbers and by looking at a picture, but I am looking to request two Aset images from James Allen. Based on the particulars, can you help me eliminate or choose which diamonds I should consider? (I'm looking for brilliance and fire)

Thanks in advance!

Diamond # 1 http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-VS1-Premium-Cut-Princess-Diamond-1327016.asp

Size: 1.22 cwt
Color: H
Clarity: VS1
Depth: 74.5
Table: 68
Polish: VG
Symmetry: Excellent
Girdle: Very Thick
Cutlet: none
Fluorescence: none
Measurements 5.78 x 5.72 x 4.26
Pricescope Price: $4,930

Diamond # 2 http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-VS1-Ideal-Cut-Princess-Diamond-1261167.asp

Size: 1.24 cwt
Color: H
Clarity: VS1
Depth: 72.5
Table: 68.0
Polish: VG
Symmetry: VG
Girdle: Thin to thick faceted
Cutlet: none
Fluorescence: none
Measurements 6.13 x 5.97 x 4.33
Pricescope Price: $5,520

Diamond # 3 http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-VS1-Ideal-Cut-Princess-Diamond-1260647.asp
Size: 1.24 cwt
Color: H
Clarity: VS1
Depth: 71.8
Table: 67.0
Polish: VG
Symmetry: VG
Girdle: Thin to thick faceted
Cutlet: none
Fluorescence: none
Measurements 6.14 x 5.88 x 4.22
Pricescope Price: $5,520

Diamond # 4 http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Princess-Diamond-1333885.asp
Size: 1.21 cwt
Color: H
Clarity: VS2
Depth: 73.0
Table: 71.0
Polish: VG
Symmetry: VG
Girdle: med
Cutlet: none
Fluorescence: none
Measurements 5.82x 5.78 x 4.22
Pricescope Price: $4,980

Diamond # 5 http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-VVS1-Ideal-Cut-Princess-Diamond-1310884.asp
Size: 1.14 cwt
Color: H
Clarity: VVS1
Depth: 70.4
Table: 66.0
Polish: EX
Symmetry: EX
Girdle: med to slightly thick
Cutlet: none
Fluorescence: none
Measurements 5.80x 5.74 x 4.04
Pricescope Price: $4,830
 
I prefer 1 and 3.
 
All are seemingly nice. 1 is my favorite. 2, I don't really like. 3 is a tad not square enough for me.
 
Ok everybody! I got the aset images and some comments from the vendor. Let me know what you think!

1260647(1.24ct H VS1) This diamond faces rectangular. It is visibly larger, completely eye clean, and a higher H. This diamond is brighter and more vibrant.

1327016(1.22ct H VS1) This diamond faces up square, visibly smaller, and a lower H. The feather on the corner may pose a durability risk depending on the setting design.

1327016.jpg

12060647.jpg
 
at this time I'm leaning towards the below diamond. (1327016) I'm not an expert at reading aset images but it appears to have more red in it, and less leakage. Am I reading this correctly? I also like the fact that it appears to be more square in nature. My only concern is the feather comment from the jewler.

Diamond # 1 http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-VS1-Premium-Cut-Princess-Diamond-1327016.asp

Size: 1.22 cwt
Color: H
Clarity: VS1
Depth: 74.5
Table: 68
Polish: VG
Symmetry: Excellent
Girdle: Very Thick
Cutlet: none
Fluorescence: none
Measurements 5.78 x 5.72 x 4.26
Pricescope Price: $4,930
 
Weird... VS1 stone with a very thick girdle has durability risk? Wow...

Really doubt that statement but I am not a gemologist. Maybe get it independently appraised as a loose stone but if will cost you some shipping expenses. I think as long as JA is setting the stone, if they chip it they will have to get you a replacement.

Yap, you are reading the ASET correctly, I prefer the ASET of the smaller stone.
 
Thanks Stone for your comments. Quick question, how would you rate the Aset image itself? Is it close to AGS0?
 
When talking to James Allen I really didn't like any of the settings they had and I have found a local jewler that I'm likely to use instead. The main reason for not using the local jewler for the diamonds is he appears to be a bit over priced and his selection is very limited.
 
Ya, quite well, probably AGS0/1 light performance level but the very thick girdle and VG polish will push down the grade to 3-4. Just a guess as this ASET image is only face up but AGS grades it over a range of angles.

If so, best to get it independently appraised as a loose stone first and then the mounted stone and setting, to see if any damage, how well it is set and for final replacement value. Also, get it insured as a loose stone during mounting, Jewelers Mutual does that apparently.
 
Ok while I was waiting on the aset images to come back from James Allen, I did a search and came across this diamond from Good Old Gold. Now I realize I'm not comparing apples to Apples on the diamonds from JA to the one from GOG, but I was curious what everybodies opinions are.

GOG diamond http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/7693/

The GOG diamond is definately outside my inital goal for a center diamond of $5,500, but this diamond looks really good to me. So here are my new questions... :twirl:

In terms of Brilliance and Fire, would I be able in your honest opionion to be able to tell a drastic difference between the two? Second, does the GOG diamond in your opinion represent good value for the price ($6600 wire price)

Basically I'm down to the GOG diamond or the JA diamond. My budget and wallet say JA, my future wife might prefer the GOG... :tongue:

Please let me know what you think... I would like to pull the trigger tomorrow!

1327016.jpg

ASETGOG.jpg
 
mavsfan632 said:
Ok while I was waiting on the aset images to come back from James Allen, I did a search and came across this diamond from Good Old Gold. Now I realize I'm not comparing apples to Apples on the diamonds from JA to the one from GOG, but I was curious what everybodies opinions are.

GOG diamond http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/7693/

The GOG diamond is definately outside my inital goal for a center diamond of $5,500, but this diamond looks really good to me. So here are my new questions... :twirl:

In terms of Brilliance and Fire, would I be able in your honest opionion to be able to tell a drastic difference between the two? Second, does the GOG diamond in your opinion represent good value for the price ($6600 wire price)

Basically I'm down to the GOG diamond or the JA diamond. My budget and wallet say JA, my future wife might prefer the GOG... :tongue:

Please let me know what you think... I would like to pull the trigger tomorrow!
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Well you are comparing a larger diamond to a smaller one.
In addition comapring one with a much taller crown the GOG to one with a shorter crown the JA.
I would expect the GOG stone to be significantly brighter.

To compound this the James Allen's ASET setup is not helping things as the lighting setup is inaccurate and they have not fixed it for many months.

There will be clear visual differences between the two choices especially in crown height alone but whether its worth the significant price difference to you I can't answer. Perhaps order both to a local appraisor and compare in person and then send one back.
 
Stone-cold11 said:
Ya, quite well, probably AGS0/1 light performance level but the very thick girdle and VG polish will push down the grade to 3-4. Just a guess as this ASET image is only face up but AGS grades it over a range of angles.

Symetry and Polish grading deductions are not cumulative SC. If it got AGS 1 for LP (probably 1 not 0 due to overobstruction and leakage) It will probably get an overall 1 or 2 (the worst of (symmetry, weight ratio or girdle thickness deductions).
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SC never said AGS cut grade deductions were cumulative. Once upon a time, the highest score a stone with a thick girdle could get was a 3.

I still like the square stone. I am doubtful about a VS1 feather causing durability issues, it is usually SI2 where one had to worry about it, or perhaps a very unluckily placed SI1inclusion. Perhaps JA is just covering their bases. Of course, you can send it to an appraiser, but you could also just buy insurance, which you should do in case of loss, anyway.
 
Ya, the girdle thickness is where I set my grade estimation but due to the difference in measurement between GIA and AGS, GIA measures only the valley, AGS measures the valley and hill so it could be much worse. Think I was too lenient giving it a 4 with a V-thick girdle as from this chart a V-thick is at best a 5, assuming the hill measurement is not into the Extremely-Thick range.

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From this post.
https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/girdles.66614/

Also not that sure about the polish grade correspondent between GIA and AGS, i.e. GIA VG is what grade in AGS system and spans over how many grades?

EDT:
Image link seems not to be working for me at the moment but you can find the image on girdle thread.
 
I think I would go with the GOG stone as it is a safer shot at performance, visibly bigger. Best to compare the 2 side by side, can you spare the cash? :p
 
LOL...I'm taking donations from my coworkers now... Would you like to contribute?!?! :tongue:

I'm waiting to here back from the vendors, but I think I may follow the suggestion by you and others to buy both diamonds and return the one after I have had a chance to see them. I think actually seeing both diamonds and being able to compare the two will go a long ways in giving me peace of mind of getting the right diamond for me and my future wife.

On a side note a couple of people have mentioned getting insurance. Should I get it for both stones while they are in my possesion, or should I buy the insurance associated with shipping from the carrier?

At some point I will buy insurance for the stone and setting, but I wasn't sure if it was necessary for the time period associated with evaluating the stones. My guess I'll get both of them on a day and probably turn around and send one back within a day or two of receiving it.

What are your thoughts/opinions?

Thanks

Nathan

ps Thanks again for everybodies input and opinions! I really do appreciate it!
 
Just the carrier insurance. Usually vendors recommend USPS, just follow their instruction for the shipment back.
 
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