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Rare find on blue nile - too good to be true? Input needed!

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Roqsteady

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Hi PSers,

Browsing through BlueNile I was looking through the view AGS certed diamonds that they had and came across this AGS 000 and reserved it:

http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-ideal-cut-i-color-vs2-clarity_LD04234949

On most high-end vendors (BG, WF, GOG, CBI) would probably list an I VS2 of this size close to 14-15k I feel. Given the ASET and the diamond proportions - do you think this is a candidate to perform similar to an H&A from those vendors? Even on blue nile I shouldn't have to worry too much about the eye-cleanliness of a VS2 right? Do the small feathers near the girdle concern you?

I asked for H&A images and it looks like they were taking it at an off angle since they didn't have proper camera equipment. Would you guys pull the trigger if you could? Is there something that I'm not seeing that could be driving the price down?

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Re: Rare find on blue nile - too good to be true? Input nee

How much is it? The price isn't listed since you reserved it.

The H&A pics are terrible.

It's AGS000, and VS2, so it should be safe. Unless the inclusion under the table is making it not eye clean....... hence the price.
 
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It should still be on the bottom - $12,366.

I know, but I'm wondering if he's just not aligning the camera perpendicular to the H&A scope?
 
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Yes it does look like camera tilt - I'm just surprised they are so poorly taken.

Have you ordered it to be shipped so you can see it? Then you can see for yourself if it is eye clean. But I'd take it to an appraiser when you get it regardless.
 
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You got Bluenile to take actual pics of the actual diamond? :o
If so, this is a first, as far as I've heard.

But clearly they need photography lessons, since they are a vendor, not to mention the largest Internet diamond vendor in the world. :nono:

An AGS quadruple zero, I'd buy without HCA score or IS pics, if the price was right.

The crystal was mention before the feather so the crystal is more grade-setting, as in serious, than the feather.

Since the crystal is near the middle I'd really want a good pic of it, or assurance that the stone is eye-clean, and what BN's description of eye-clean is.
If it is the spot at 9:00 on the first pic then I'd be okay with that … and I'm pretty picky.

I'd be a bit concerned about the twinning whisps ... and get a GIA graduate gemologyst/independent appraiser to look at it fast so I could return it before the return period was up if they were a concern for mechanical integrity or optical performance.

I'd look for an appraiser here. https://www.pricescope.com/appraisers

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Looks really good!
 
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whats the deal with an AGS stone being on blue nile, they drop ship them from india and there is no AGS in india…
 
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treasurehunter|1395537715|3639651 said:
whats the deal with an AGS stone being on blue nile, they drop ship them from india and there is no AGS in india…
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BN carries some AGS, but they usually get snapped up quickly. I bought a beautiful 1ct 000, H, VS1 FIC on there a few months back. A needle in the haystack, but they're out there.
 
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treasurehunter|1395537715|3639651 said:
whats the deal with an AGS stone being on blue nile, they drop ship them from india and there is no AGS in india…
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treasurehunter - they ship them from all over - they have a world-wide inventory not just India. Their Signature line is in-house, out of NY.

And Kenny, for what it's worth, I've had photos from BN also.
 
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My question to the experts here is: are there really "hidden deals" because a vendor has posted a superior stone with a low price [because no one is paying attention at the vendor]? It would seem a good business practice to know exactly what they have and price the diamonds accordingly.
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This would not be an H&A (my opinion) but you don't have to have That to have a beautiful stone.

I would have it sent to you. Could be a very nice stone.
 
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Go for it! It might not be a visually perfect H&A but that doesn't mean it won't have visible H&A patterning which it seems to show from the pics they did send you. I have a three stone ring with an ACA for a sidestone, a GIA excellent for a center and a non-certed but "ideal" cut for the other sidestone, I can't visually tell the difference on the cut on any of them. Unless you are a super duper expert who evaluates these stones allllllll the time I doubt any of us "laymen" could tell the minute differences between the super ideals and near ideals in person. Good luck!
 
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Re: the original BN stone posted -

I assume the images provided were taken with the stone askew likely because the crystal in the center is more visible than they want a potential buyer to realize... (granted, I am cynical that way). In all the images I can see what I believe to be the crystal. However, BN has a wonderful return policy so it may be worth your while to buy it and inspect it for yourself.
 
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Why does the arrow pic look good but hearts pic not so? Even if it was tilted, I'd expect all the hearts to be skewed to same angle. Since they are all over, I assume it's not a perfect hearts but perfect arrows. First photo looks good to my eyes though but I'm no expert.
 
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Would you guys, knowing the price difference - go with a similar 1.7 I VS2 from WF/BG from 14.5-15.5k or even SI1 (even 1.65-1.7 SI1's are more expensive) and have the peace of mind of superideal quality or check this out on the chance that they're practically the same?
 
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Roqsteady|1395613621|3640025 said:
Would you guys, knowing the price difference - go with a similar 1.7 I VS2 from WF/BG from 14.5-15.5k or even SI1 (even 1.65-1.7 SI1's are more expensive) and have the peace of mind of superideal quality or check this out on the chance that they're practically the same?
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My 2 cents: I just did a similar thing - got an ACA - prettiest diamond I've ever seen. Tried to duplicate the performance by buying something that was, on paper, equivalent to a super-ideal from WF. It was not the same. A beautiful stone, to be sure, but did not perform with excellence in all lighting conditions like the ACA.
 
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Roqsteady - I hope this is of some use to you.

I bought *this* stone from BN:

http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-ideal-cut-e-color-si2-clarity_LD03516847

It's a stunning stone. It's eye clean - totally - from 12", 10", 8". Any closer than that and I can't see it anyway because, well, we're all getting older, aren't we? :)

This stone cost me $10,017. I hesitated over buying it and the price went up. Previously it had been listed (as I recall) at $9820.

I know of NOWHERE I can get a 1.58ct stone with those specs, E color, eye clean. This stone was a STEAL. And it was gorgeous.

There are definitely bargains if you know where to look, and I feel, and have always felt, that Blue Nile is one of those places. And their return policy is easy if it doesn't work out for you.

ETA I checked the bottom of the link and the price for wiring had originally been $9734. It's on the page. It's a stunning stone.
 
Re: Rare find on blue nile - too good to be true? Input nee

Thanks mrs blop! Sounds like you got a great deal! Did you have other diamonds from WF/GOG/BGD/CBI to compare with? The proportions look pretty much perfect for a GIA certed stone. Was it eye clean from all angles besides the top too? I'm a little scared to go with an SI2 from blue nile if I can't see it via JA though.

That said, these other ones look promising:

http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-ideal-cut-i-color-vvs1-clarity_LD04166273 this might be a strong second - love that it has strong blue fluor
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-ideal-cut-e-color-si2-clarity_LD04035293 possible 3rd - twinning wisps so it could possibly eye clean?
http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-ideal-cut-g-color-si2-clarity_LD04058808 cert looks like it may be eye clean but that crystal could be noticeable


There's just so many options out there, many of which look like they have the potential to be superideal performers, but just no way of verifying besides buying for yourself and having it appraised.
 
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Roqsteady -

The stats on all of those look great. As for the clarity - that's more of a personal thing, depending on, as much as anything, one's eyesight. If you call BN, they will contact the vendors concerned and ask for their opinions. My experience is that they're honest in their comments; I've had them advise me in the past not to go with a particular stone because they felt it wouldn't be appropriate or wouldn't meet my standards.

I'm normally pretty happy with SI2 stones - and there's certainly a range. If you find a good one, it's a huge bargain. I see all your stones have fluro, so that will work in your favor, also. My pick would be the 1.55 G SI2 stone. It's a nice color, it's 2k or more less than the other two stones and its stats are great. For my taste, I colored stones are a tad too warm - but again, this is a purely personal preference. I feel, though, that you can begin to see tint at I color (and sometimes H, also, though far less often), and that doesn't work for me. Also, I wouldn't want to pay a VVS1 premium.

The stone I bought compared very favorably with other vendors popular on PS. I have signature cut stones from all the vendors you mentioned (except for CBI - who are they?) and including James Allen, and this particular stone was on a par with those. As for 'clean from all angles', since I don't go through life turning my rings upside down to search for blemishes - especially blemishes that might be obscured by the setting anyway - I can't say I spent too much time looking at all angles. From the top it was eye clean - even on close inspection. I accepted it was an SI2 and was thrilled with the level of clarity it provided, given its clarity appraisal. Past that, I didn't make the stone jump through hoops before I was willing to be satisfied with it. For myself, I put a lot of emphasis on light return and scintillation; lots of twinkle will obscure a degree of blemish, so that works for me.
 
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