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I have a GIA Dossier for a stone done in March 1st, 2001. Since it doesn''t have any cut data, can anyone look at this and give me any thoughts? Before I looked at this dossier, I would have been happy with this stone. However, with that being said, I also don''t know what to look for. As far as cut is related, they all look the same to me...

GIA: 11412438
Measurements: 6.44-6.56 x 3.61mm
Weight: .87
Color: G
Clarity: VVS1

Depth: 55.5%
Table: 65%
Girdle: Thin to Med, Faceted
Cutlet: None
Polish: Good
Symmetry: Good
Fluorescence: Faint
Clarity Characteristics: Pinpoint

Comments Crown angles are less than 30 degrees.

This last line is what has me stopped in my tracks. I searched around, and it seems like usually you stay away from shallow crown angles.

I''m quickly trying to learn everything I can. The mounting is already picked out, and the deal is going down soon. However, I need to know if I should avoid this stone. I''m having a very hard time getting anyone local to give me a non-biased straight answer. Everyone wants to sell me something instead....

Any help would be appreciated,
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Thanks,
Jason
 
As I'm sure you wiill read over and over again on this site, the cut of the stone means everything. cut, cut, cut, cut, cut. What makes a diamond so special is that ridiculous sparkle you get from it. That brilliant light and all those colors. The best way to maximize that light performance is to cut it properly.

Ideally, a crown angle should be around 34.5 degrees. They can go to 35 or 36 degrees, or down to 34 or 33.5 degrees and still, with the right pavillion depth, perform well with the light. A crown angle shallower than 30 degrees I've never heard of before. I think you are pretty much guaranteeing a significant amount of light leakage. Translation? Your beautifully sparkly stone won't sparkle that much at all.

Unfortunately, GIA reports from 2001 don't include the crown and pavillion angles, so we can't really tell you how well cut your prospective diamond is. But a crown angle shallower than 30 degrees is virtually guaranteed to be a poorly performing stone. I would walk away from that deal Such a shallow pavillion can cause a fish-eye and "should not be considered for purchase" (according to the Holloway Cut Advisor).

Edit: I just noticed the ridiculously large table and shallow depth. Are you sure you didn't mix up the table and depth percentages? Because if you didn't, I would stay away from this stone for certain!
 
is this a round?

you may want to do a search for the term ''fish eye'' and do some more reading.
actually, just start at the top of the knowledge base and learn as much as you can about cut (THE most important part of the diamond)

needless to say, i would without a doubt, pass on this diamond.
 
If the information you posted is accurate, I would pass on this diamond ASAP. Cut is everything in a diamond and this one with it''s shallow crown angle sounds like it would not sparkle much, plus has the potential to have a fish-eye (dark circle in the middle where not only does it look unappealing, it is a "dead" area).
 
I don''t actually have the dossier, but I do have the # that was etched into the stone. I looked it up with report check on GIA''s website.

Again, I don''t know the crown angle for sure, or the pavillion angle. I understand it''s far from ideal cut. However, I''ve read about compensations in pavillion angle to adjust for this. I''ve also seen on here a memeber or two than have stones with shallow crown angles. Sorry, I''m just trying to learn quickly..

I had four jewelers look at the stone before I found the gia report. They all thought it was a nice stone and graded color and clarity for me. None commented anything about it''s poor cut, or lack of sparkle.

If I should pass on this stone, I will. My time table is getting short, but I won''t rush a purchase. I did a quick search above on 1 carat, G, VS2 stones. There was a wide range of measurements for the same stone. None of those give cut dimensions. How do I know a good cut from a bad cut????

 
Date: 11/7/2006 11:27:41 AM
Author: m396 #00-011

If I should pass on this stone, I will. My time table is getting short, but I won''t rush a purchase.
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and you shouldn''t. this is a big purchase.

Date: 11/7/2006 11:27:41 AM
Author: m396 #00-011

I did a quick search above on 1 carat, G, VS2 stones. There was a wide range of measurements for the same stone. None of those give cut dimensions. How do I know a good cut from a bad cut????
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do a search by ''cut quality''
 
I did pass on this stone. Thanks for all the help.
 
Woohoo! Take that, high pressure sales people!

Now, if you tell us generally (or specifically) what you are looking for, and your total budget, we can probably put something together for you that will drop some jaws.
 

Woohoo! Take that, high pressure sales people!


Now, if you tell us generally (or specifically) what you are looking for, and your total budget, we can probably put something together for you that will drop some jaws. -


Love that line!!!!! Damn straight.
 
OK,

My budget is 4-5k total.

I really want a platnium setting, but something timeless and eligant, probably a solitare.

I''ve been looking at a few .75-.8 stones, G-H, VS1-2, AGS Ideal 0 and/or Hearts & Arrows.
 
With that size you can easily go down to an eye clean SI. (unless you have mind clean issues) - the microscopic on this one looks good, I suspect it is very eye clean - you can call Good old gold and ask, they have a reputation for honesty. And they have a great trade up/buy back policy in case the desire ever strikes!
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http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/2250/

ETA: PS price $3331
 
Date: 11/8/2006 8:55:12 PM
Author: m396 #00-011
OK,

My budget is 4-5k total.

I really want a platnium setting, but something timeless and eligant, probably a solitare.

I''ve been looking at a few .75-.8 stones, G-H, VS1-2, AGS Ideal 0 and/or Hearts & Arrows.
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OK well you are in for a treat. Currently whiteflash.com is having a special on their "A Cut Above" series of diamonds. (I want to take a moment to say that I don''t work for whiteflash or am affiliated with whiteflash in any way whatsoever.) I just did a quick search on their website. Diamonds ranged 0.75-0.99 carats, G-H, VS1-S2, and then I clicked on their "A Cut Above" tab. Those stones all ranged somewhere in the $3100 to $3800 zone, depending on carat weight.

A Cut Above ("ACA") stones are all the highest quality when it comes to cut - by far the most important of the 4cs. They are all AGS Ideal 0, Hearts and Arrows stones and will just sparkle like you just pulled them out of the stars. And they are smack in your budget zone!

I think you get a "pricescope discount". Find a stone you want from them, and contact them and ask about a pricescope discount - believe me they''ll know what you''re talking about. If you run a search for "white flash" in the search engine in these forums, you''ll see they come very very highly recommended for their excellent diamonds and their superior customer service.

They are also currently running a special - during November, with the purchase of any diamond they will contribute 5% of that purchase towards the setting of your choice (from their site, of course). They have a great selection so that extra 5% savings (which is like $150) will be a great help in picking out a classy solitaire platinum setting and still staying within your budget. I don''t know if you get that PLUS the pricescope discount - you''ll have to ask.

The folks at Whiteflash will also patiently walk you through the entire process, and they have a generous return policy if for whatever reason you aren''t satisfied with the stone or the setting. They also have a lifetime 100% upgrade policy. It doesn''t apply to you at this very moment so I won''t get into it, but it''s a great perk for doing business with them.

Anyway please don''t take my word for it. Run a search for Whiteflash or WF and see for yourself how much the pricescopers fawn over that vendor. Then go to their site, pick out an ACA diamond within your parameters (I already checked - well within your budget), and you get 5% off your gorgeous platinum setting as well. You can''t lose.

Let us know if you need any more help!
 
Date: 11/9/2006 1:15:39 PM
Author: m396 #00-011
Anyone have thoughts on this particular stone.

What do you think, link?
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Gorgeous stone, H&A AGS000, VS1 (making it eye-clean, by definition). A real home run.

By the way, you''ll get both the pricescope discount and the mounting discount. Make sure to specifically mention to them the PS discount. But you''ll get 5% off your ACA purchase which will give you your final purchase price. Then take 5% of that, which will be contributed to the mounting of your choice. That only works if you buy the stone and the mounting at the same time, but sounds like that''s exactly what you''re planning to do.

When you''re done, you have to show us pictures!
 
Date: 11/9/2006 1:51:50 PM
Author: Upside Down Man

Date: 11/9/2006 1:15:39 PM
Author: m396 #00-011
Anyone have thoughts on this particular stone.

What do you think, link?
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Gorgeous stone, H&A AGS000, VS1 (making it eye-clean, by definition). A real home run.

By the way, you''ll get both the pricescope discount and the mounting discount. Make sure to specifically mention to them the PS discount. But you''ll get 5% off your ACA purchase which will give you your final purchase price. Then take 5% of that, which will be contributed to the mounting of your choice. That only works if you buy the stone and the mounting at the same time, but sounds like that''s exactly what you''re planning to do.

When you''re done, you have to show us pictures!
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No, not always! We have had posters that can see inclusions here too. There was a post not long ago about a client from Tiffany''s that could see inclusions. Super duper eyesight!

m396 #00-011, the stone you selected looks fantastic!
 
Date: 11/9/2006 2:44:03 PM
Author: :)


No, not always! We have had posters that can see inclusions here too. There was a post not long ago about a client from Tiffany's that could see inclusions. Super duper eyesight!

m396 #00-011, the stone you selected looks fantastic!
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HAHA she was extremly myopic, not super duper eyesight.
 
Here are the White Flash pics. Whadda ya think?

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Holy crap. Those pics look amazing. Those arrows from the diamond facing up look like they belong on a compass. Incredible.

Tell me those pictures don't look like they belong in a catalogue somewhere? And that baby is all yours! I assume you came in around your original $4-$5000 budget?
 
Platnium setting and stone, Just under $4200.

Thanks for all the help, upside down man.

Same to all of you, Thanks for all the help!
 
Date: 11/14/2006 3:17:52 PM
Author: m396 #00-011
Platnium setting and stone, Just under $4200.
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Rock and roll.



Thanks for all the help, upside down man.
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Was my pleasure.


Out of curiousity, how much was the jeweler charging for the original stone that prompted this thread?
 
It is beautiful! Good job!
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Link to thread with pictures

She said yes! The link above has a few pictures from the Big Night.

I want to thank everyone here for the support and advice. I also want to thank Chris Ray at White Flash for the quick service.

Thanks Again!
Jason
 
Date: 11/14/2006 3:57:33 PM
Author: Upside Down Man

Date: 11/14/2006 3:17:52 PM
Author: m396 #00-011
Platnium setting and stone, Just under $4200.
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Rock and roll.




Thanks for all the help, upside down man.
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Was my pleasure.


Out of curiousity, how much was the jeweler charging for the original stone that prompted this thread?
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He wanted $3200 for the stone discribed at the beg of the thread.
 
Aww, that is priceless, you had it on the plate! Congrats!
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Date: 11/29/2006 1:58:33 PM
Author: m396 #00-011

He wanted $3200 for the stone discribed at the beg of the thread.
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Plus however much he wanted to set it. Trust me, you knocked this one out of the park.

The second picture from the proposal link you sent was priceless. The "oh my god this is actually happening" reaction. My fiance knew the proposal was coming, so I never got that. Be glad you got it on film - you'll never get that moment again (some people never get that moment at all) and it's reactions like that that make it easy to remember why you fell in love with her in the first place.

To quote my mother after I told her of the proposal: "Now go make babies."
 
yay!
very well done jason!
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the pics are priceless.
 
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