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Pricescopers I need your assistance finding a great emerald.

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  1. Ceilimom
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    by Ceilimom » Aug 13, 2019
    Our grand daughter was born at the end of May. I would like to create an Emerald pendant, something she'll have as she grows up. I don't want to go above .35 carat in weight for the Emerald. I have no idea who/where to buy this type of gemstone from or what to look for and what to avoid in Emeralds. I am not opposed to a vintage piece.A suggestions or tips would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so very much.
     
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  2. Ceilimom
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  3. StephanieLynn
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    by StephanieLynn » Aug 13, 2019
    I reported this post to have it moved to colored stones, you'll get more eyes on it over there and they can help you find a wonderful emerald for your project =)2
     
  4. Ceilimom
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    Stephanie thank you:love:
     
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  5. cokitty
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    by cokitty » Aug 13, 2019
    @Cellimom what size do you want for the stone. As with diamonds the shape can impact the size big time, do you have a budget?
    I did a quick look around at my usual vendors and didn't see anything under .5cts.
     
  6. Ceilimom
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    by Ceilimom » Aug 13, 2019
    My first choice would be a square/ cushion
    ( hope that's an actual shape). I was looking at .35 carat. If you could give me the dimension of a .50 carat ( cut) it would help me visualize the stone. Thank you for reaching out to me cokitty.
    As for a budget, I need to see what I am looking at and what is a reasonable price range for specific hue,colors, grade.
     
  7. distracts
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    by distracts » Aug 13, 2019
    Emeralds are less dense for their weight than diamonds so .35 ct will be larger than it would be in a similar diamond cut. With colored stones, cut proportions/face-up size vary a LOT more than for diamonds. So we can’t really give you a range a stone that size is likely to be because it’s so nonstandard.

    Yvonne Raley (Cecile Raley Designs on Etsy) recently got back from Columbia with a bunch of great emeralds, including multiple smaller ones that would be suitable. I’d message her. Emeralds are very hard to photograph so I’d rely more on the vendor’s description than the pictures. Mastercut Gems has a number of emeralds, and I think Emerald Embassy (Embassy Emeralds? Something like that?) is another PSers have gotten emeralds from.
     
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  8. whitewave
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    by whitewave » Aug 13, 2019
    I would email Inken and see if she has anything or has a contact.

    [email protected]

    She was able to get me an emerald at the past gem
    show.

    Also look at wildfish gems.
     
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    by T L » Aug 14, 2019
    It depends on your budget, and how much treatment you’re willing to tolerate. You want a “great” emerald, but does that mean eye clean, top color, no treatment? If so, you may want to go with a dealer that specializes in just emerald, otherwise some of the other vendors mentioned here might be able to help.

    The nice thing is that an emerald doesn’t have to be top color to be beautiful, but I would concentrate on a cleaner stone with minimal treatment. It will last longer and not lose its clean appearance over time. At least you’re looking for a sub half carat stone, where a cleaner gem might be more readily available.
     
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  11. Ceilimom
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    TL you ask some very good questions and make some helpful points. I think I need to do more studying on Emeralds, characteristics, treatments etc.
    I would like a bright green stone with blue tones not terribly included. I would consider a cabochon stone too. I haven't seen anything so far that I really like, but I've just started looking. As far as price I don't know where prices fall for an Emerald like you described. This is why I reached out to this community for suggestions,help and contacts, which I greatly appreciate.
    Riley will be 12 weeks old on Saturday, I am hoping I'll be able to get this gift pulled together before she is 6 months old. Fingers crossed.
     
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  12. MJO
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    Arthur Groom in Ridgewood NJ is known for Emeralds. He also developed the Excel treatment for Emeralds which is a reversible process. He has even displayed the Emeralds from the Atocha at his store. His trademark is Eternity Natural Emeralds. I know he has sources in Columbia and Afghanistan for Emeralds from either of those sources. I bought the first emerald he had cut from Afghanistan in about 2001 it was an almost flawless 90% Brilliance 3.5 ct stone.
     
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    Thank you for the information. Funny I just saw a story on Emerald mining in Afghanistan last night and the quality was supposed to be very fine. I'll look into what you suggested.
     
  14. T L
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    Columbian material is the best. It has the bluish green velvet sheen many locations lack, even if the material is clean from those locales..
     
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    TL are you aware of the mines in Columbia and the difference in quality of emeralds mined ?
     
    


    


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    by whitewave » Aug 17, 2019
    Yvonne is probably your best best since you are looking at such a small size.
     
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    by T L » Aug 17, 2019
    Yes, but the best emeralds come from the Muzo mines in Columbia. Chivor produces beautiful material too, but it tends to be lighter, cleaner and more bluish. I’m not sure of which mine she obtains her stones from, but Yvonne’s emeralds look very “Chivor.”
     
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  18. voce
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    by voce » Aug 17, 2019
    Nah, for small sizes, Afghanistan is best. Muzo material is more included than Afghanistan's. It's just that large emeralds from Afghanistan are so rare these days they may as well not exist. Plus, Columbians have had much more experience with marketing.
     
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    by whitewave » Aug 17, 2019
    Well, sandawana also for small
     
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    Years ago Afghan Emeralds were purchased and shipped to Columbia and sold as columbian.
     
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    by T L » Aug 17, 2019
    Afghan stones could probably be mistaken for Chivor, but Muzo? The thing is that even though Muzo stones are included, you can find clean ones in sub half carat sizes, as the OP is looking for.

    I have seen emeralds from multiple locations, and I’m just a snob about Muzo stones. However, again, no matter where the stone comes from, it should look like an emerald, not a paraiba, not a green tourmaline, not a tsavorite, and that’s my advice. It should also have that velvety sheen, and the darkest Muzo stones almost look metallic green with a deep velvet glow about them.

    Again, JMO, and I respect other opinions. Emerald is my favorite gem, so I’m a bit of an emerald junkie. :P2
     
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  22. MJO
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    Afghan emeralds were sold as Chivor Mine
     
  23. T L
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    I can see that.
     
  24. voce
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    by voce » Aug 17, 2019
    Yvonne has emeralds from both Muzo and Chivor, and will say which mine if is from in the detailed descriptions. She personally favours more blue, so maybe she had more Chivor than Muzo.
     
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    by voce » Aug 18, 2019
    I have a Panjshir emerald in a small size. Its brilliance more than makes up for the lesser Muzo glow, and I'd say there is more metallic sheen than my Muzo clean emeralds of similar but smaller size. I couldn't mistake my Panjshir emerald for Chivor at all since it's very vibrant deep green. Russian material is probably more like Chivor but with less blue.

    Likely there is a range of possibilities in Afghanistan emeralds, and we just haven't seen enough to know the finer specimens that are there. Muzo stones have been in museums for decades.
     
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    by arkieb1 » Aug 18, 2019
    Because what you are looking for is small by industry standards I'm going to agree with the vote for Pakistan, a Swat emerald from the Swat Valley (google it) will give you something small, beautifully coloured, and super affordable, they are often mistaken for Colombian because of their fine colour.

    If you specifically want something from Muzo or Chivor ask Yvonne Raley she has small nicely coloured emeralds that she can source.
     
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  27. Nick_G
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    by Nick_G » Aug 18, 2019
    Here's a Panjshir emerald in matrix that I bought recently:



    It's not a deep green but it does look beautiful and vibrant. I think the colour has come out very slightly more bluish on that photo than in real life.

    I have read that the geology of the Panjshir deposit shares similarities with the Muzo and Chivor occurences in Colombia.
     
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    All the Russian material I’ve seen looks like tourmaline to me, albeit very nice tourmaline!

    Here’s a beautiful Ethiopian emerald for the OP to view. It could definitely pass for Chivor.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bu4BWN3HfL_/?igshid=sq1mtbysleyn

    Not all Muzo will have that metallic sheen, but here’s a typical fine Muzo stone. They’re darker and a very intense green, but less blue than other locales. Of course. Some people prefer lighter emeralds, but for me, this is my personal favorite location. Not all Muzo will be this clean and fine.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B0T1WjwD12J/?igshid=hrbw1lzes9yk

    I cannot find any Afghan cut gem material to link to from instagram, but perhaps someone wants to. I think it’s probably helpful for the OP to see examples from various locations so that she can make up her mind.
     
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    I just remembered a story. When my daughter was little (2-3 maybe), my mother had to buy her a puffy gold heart, since she was the first granddaughter. My mom was all on about it.

    Anyway, the very first time she put it on my daughter, my daughter felt it and promptly put it in her mouth and smooshed it. o_O:(2:blackeye::angel:

    Emeralds are soft. .35 is small.

    Maybe you should hold off and this could be an amazing 16th birthday present.

    Just a thought.
     
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    This is my .57 long emerald cut from wild fish gems.
     
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