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Rance

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Hey guys, This is my first post. Firstly I would like to Thank you all for sharing useful infos to the forum. I have learned a lot from all of you. I am planning to propose with my girlfriend as soon as i find the perfect diamond.

PLS help me with this diamond selection. I have been searching super ideal cut diamond for a year now, mostly in my local jewelry stores, this is the closest diamond by far i have come across. The only problem is that the table size is >59 I know 55-57 is the best for fire&scintillation, CA&PA combination seems to be fine. The HCA scores 1.4 but scintillation is only VERY GOOD. It might be a bigger size table doing. SHOULD I KEEP THIS DIAMOND OR DITCH IT? Please Advise.

THANK YOU SO MUCH PS PEOPLE :)
 
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whitewave

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I think it looks good. Are you trying to find a few to choose from, or is this this? Did you already buy this one? If it’s from a brick and mortar store, it’s really good.

Did you look at it in different lighting? Did they let you go by a window or outside? Do you like it? Tell us what you noticed about it.
 

Rance

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I think it looks good. Are you trying to find a few to choose from, or is this this? Did you already buy this one? If it’s from a brick and mortar store, it’s really good.

Did you look at it in different lighting? Did they let you go by a window or outside? Do you like it? Tell us what you noticed about it.
Hi whitewave thank you for replying, this diamond is the best I can find so far, and also the only choice I have right now. I have put the diamond on hold ATM. The only lighting I was using to view the diamond was the backlighting of my iphone screen. I didn’t ask them to let me look the diamond under the sun light. Should I do that? TBH I don’t 100% like this diamond because it has many defects. For example under H&A scope shot, the hearts and arrows are not perfect. The proportions of this diamond is not Super Ideal Cut, and when I was using Ideal&ASET scopes, I found it very confused to use because when my eyes was 5cm away from the scopes, I could see the diamond was slightly leakage, but when I shortened the distance between my eyes and the scopes the leakage was gone. So I am not sure if this diamond was truly leakage or not, and when taking the photos of the diamond, it always look much better than my fresh eyes, but in real life situations IT’S worst than photos. So I’m very confused right now. I don’t know what is the right way to use Ideal&ASET scopes. The another thing I’m bothering with is the table size 59 which is much bigger than my ideal proportion 55-57 so any advices? thanks
 

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An excellent first post and good application of what you have learned! :))

Excellent photos as well :)

I think the ASETscope and Idealscope images might be very slightly off-center, but I would agree with whitewave - it is very good for a diamond from a bricks and mortar store!

I see what you mean about the slight leakage in the images. I am not that skilled to know if it is just 'what happens'! The bottom edge of the 'scope should be parallel with the girdle of the diamond - I know that much.

59 table and 61 depth makes it almost a '60/60' stone - these stones tend to have more white light return than coloured fire (which you know :) ) but they are not 'bad'. It is personal taste whether you prefer 60/60 or 'SuperIdeal' cut styles!


Which country are you in? Have you considered buying online from one of the Pricescope-recommended vendors?
 

whitewave

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Ok, yes, you are right that it is not a true H&A, but you aren’t going to get that unless you buy a branded diamond, which you aren’t doing.

I suspected it wasn’t true leakage because it’s hard to use the tools when you aren’t trained. Does it have fluro? Are there additional clouds or items not shown? (Would be on GIA report).

Do you feel like there could be a haze to it? Did the jeweler clean it before you looked at it? Did you put your fingers on the diamond?

Diamonds get dirty, grimy and oily fast once you start handling it. It is possible it’s a dirty diamond.

Yes, you should view it by a window, facing and back to it, and then outside if they will let you... in the shade and in direct sunlight.
 

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The view with your eye blocking the light from the top is the correct one.
You do not want light hitting the top of the scope and showing false leakage.
There is no leakage that is not typical for the cut.
Good job on the images.
The heart image the diamond and camera is not aligned properly in the scope but it shows no huge issues.
Its more of a 60/60 style stone buts its a very well cut one.
 

lovedogs

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This is a very well cut stone! I like it. Do you want alternatives ,or are you happy with this one?
 

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The light spot at 12 and the grey arrows are a result of light from the top of the scope
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Rance

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Thank you guys for helping out, here is some informations about the diamond. The inclusions seems alright and acceptable, I didn’t notice any black spot on the diamond. Yes, jeweler did clean it before I looked at it. and I used tweezer all the time.

Could you guys help me with GIA report in the comment section PLS coz I’m not good with reading GIA reports. There’s “Additional clouds, pinpoints, and surface graining are not shown” in the report. Is this the diamond worth the money to buy? It will cost $8200USD just for the diamond without the ring. I’m an Australian citizen currently living in Taiwan. Thank you all so so much for helping out :)
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Rance

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The light spot at 12 and the grey arrows are a result of light from the top of the scope
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Thank you Karl_K for helping me out. now I am aware how to properly use Ideal&ASET scopes. Thank You
This is another photo I took with my iphone x

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Karl_K

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Your welcome.
The images gets the job done.
If you want to darken the arrows a bit bring the lens closer to the scope if it will focus.
 

Rance

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I'm definitely not concerned about the clarity. I'm a tiny bit concerned about price, given that you could get a branded super ideal for almost the same price , which comes with a $1 upgrade policy. Does this vendor have the setting style you want?

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3965455.htm

https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4097152.htm
Thank you lovedogs for the links above, I have never had experience shopping diamond online before, it would add another 5% tax of total price shipping to me. is it safe and reliable with international package? thanks
 

Rance

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Your welcome.
The images gets the job done.
If you want to darken the arrows a bit bring the lens closer to the scope if it will focus.
thanks for the heads up, I will definitely try that next time when I visit the store. :)
 

canuk-gal

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HI:

Nice stone. Any chance they will negotiate on price? Is this for the diamond alone?

cheers--Sharon
 

Rance

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HI:

Nice stone. Any chance they will negotiate on price? Is this for the diamond alone?

cheers--Sharon
Hi canuk-gal, I am not sure the price is negotiable, coz the store I visited they have 5 franchise stores, Everyday the price is different based on US dollars currency. but they did offer me a discount with pt950 Tiffany or Cartier alike setting for $606 USD, is it expensive for the setting too?

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$606 for a platinum setting is a pretty good deal. I think the stone itself is a little pricey, but if you get a good deal on the setting then it's less problematic.
 

Rance

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hey guys, I need some help with your opinion here please.

Do you reckon I should get this diamond? thanks

The biggest issue for me now it's 59 table size.

I don't know if i like near 60/60 style diamond.
 
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OoohShiny

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Do you like it when you look at it?

Have you looked at it in a range of lights - so outside / under a cloudy sky / under a table - so you can see if it performs well when it is away from the 'magic lights' in the shop?

Have you compared it side by side with a stone that has a smaller table / higher crown (and complementary pavilion), in order to see if you prefer white light over fire?


If this is the best stone you have found after a long time looking in your local shops, I think you will either have to:

- take this stone;
- reject this stone and purchase from one of the Pricescope-recommended vendors (whether a SuperIdeal stone or not); or
- reject this stone and ask if your local store can bring in stones at your request (i.e. we find stones on the market that you ask the store to call in).
 

Rance

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Hey guys, so as my journey continues, I found a new diamond with 58 table to compare previous one which has 59 table Depth 61 CA34 PA40.8

Here is the new one. I need some help with your opinion to compare them both. Thanks

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Do you reckon 58/60.8 CA33.5 PA40.8 has a better ideal proportions combo than 59/61 CA34 PA40.8?
Do you prefer this diamond over previous one? It has HCA 0.9 over HCA 1.4 with VG scintillation
Do you mind the inclusions is right under the table? even though it’s eye clean.

In real life situations, I think this diamond has slightly stronger fire&scintillation, but its really hard to tell
 

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Do you reckon 58/60.8 CA33.5 PA40.8 has a better ideal proportions combo than 59/61 CA34 PA40.8?
Do you prefer this diamond over previous one? It has HCA 0.9 over HCA 1.4 with VG scintillation
Do you mind the inclusions is right under the table? even though it’s eye clean.

In real life situations, I think this diamond has slightly stronger fire&scintillation, but its really hard to tell
58t/33.5 vs 59t/34 will be hard to tell apart in real life unless you are an expert in diamond assessment, I would say!

If it is eye-clean in real life and it seems to have more fire/scintillation to your eyes when they are next to each other, you should trust your eyes, I reckon :)

(Make sure to look at them both side-by-side in a range of lighting environments, of course.)
 

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Cut wise....
I would rate them pretty much the same with a slight nod to the first one for the slightly longer lowers which goes with a 60/60 style.
59/34 and 58/33.5 is the same crown height and even with the gia rounding they are really close.
 

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Don’t think you can go wrong here. They are both really good. Let your eyes pick. That is all that matters because you are really splitting hairs with differences. View them side by side in different light. Do continual blinded tests where you don’t know which is which. See if you are consistently picking out the same one as your “preferred”. If you are, then you have your answer.
 

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TBH I don’t 100% like this diamond because it has many defects. For example under H&A scope shot, the hearts and arrows are not perfect
A HCA 0.9 shouldn’t be seen as any better than 1.4.
But I’m a little confused whereby you had an issue with the hearts not being perfect in the first stone, yet the second stone has fused hearts.
Nevertheless I think u have 2 great choices there, let your eyes do the picking ...
 

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Neither of these two stones would be considered as H&A. #1 is almost. #2 is not even close of being H&A.
 
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