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Which do guys think is better?? To me (a bit of a novice) feel it is pretty obvious which 1 is better!

1) http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/certificate.aspx?idno=273561&file_name=3
2) http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/certificate.aspx?idno=56222&file_name=3

the second however is a bit more expensive with the same size..... only difference is 2 grades better in clarity!

both stones are also 1.4 EX, EX, EX, VG

** Sorry for the lack of info...... I just se alot darker pinks and to me make it better!.... am I right in my thinking??*****
 
That is REALLY inadequate information
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Looking at the IS image I don''t think you will notice a difference. stone 2 has less hot spots along the base and has a little less girdle leakage. This may cause the diamond to look slightly larger in some lighting and it seems that the color is a little more consistent and may have slightly larger burst. However the difference is VERY minimal in these latter two areas and so I really doubt you are going to notice that subtle difference with your naked eyes. Thus based on these two images I guess I would have to pick the first one. Also remember that the actual color of the IS image doesn''t matter, but rather consistency.

I have some theories on angles but I would sound like an idiot and get them all wrong. It would be a fun exercise though, look at the IS image and guess the angles! I say we start up a game section of the forum with training exercises like that and see who can get it right!

Expect alot of people to be disappointed on the lack of information when clicking on the links by the way. I suggest you edit in more info.
 
Here''s what I''m looking for:

Super Ideal cut
1.10 - 1.25ish
eye clean SI1, VS2, or even VS1...... (is the VS1 even worth it btw??)
G-H

any thoughts on cuts similar in both price and quality to WF''s ACA??
 
can you tell us your budget so we can help? I would get a SI1 if eye clean and VS2 is great.
 
Date: 7/9/2007 9:32:18 PM
Author:squirreldogger
Which do guys think is better?? To me (a bit of a novice) feel it is pretty obvious which 1 is better!

1) http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/certificate.aspx?idno=273561&file_name=3
2) http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/certificate.aspx?idno=56222&file_name=3

the second however is a bit more expensive with the same size..... only difference is 2 grades better in clarity!

both stones are also 1.4 EX, EX, EX, VG

** Sorry for the lack of info...... I just se alot darker pinks and to me make it better!.... am I right in my thinking??*****
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they are both aca''s, so by design, they are going to fall under the same strict criteria. there won''t be one that is ''obviously'' better. the line is too consistent for that. also, the color of the is images at this level is not directly correlated to performance. these slight differentiations in color are more likely due to set up and processing differences that can vary over the hundreds of diamonds that are being photographed. saturation of color shouldn''t be used to make such definite distinctions at this point.
clarity has a big impact on the pricepoint, so you can readily expect to pay more for higher clarity.
 
I agree with Belle but did not know how to explain myself clearly. None of the setup will be exactly the same all the time, even from the same vendor. You have to compare the balance of pinks, blacks and whites WITHIN the same picture as an individual rather than pic #1 vs pic #2. With both being ACAs, having almost equal IScopes, and equal 1.4 HCA scores, I'd say both are equals indeed. Diamond #2 is only pricier due to its higher clarity by 2 grades.
 
I believe the first stone is an ACA Classic

but the second stone is somewhere in between the Classic and the New Line.
 
What do you mean by ACA classic vs. New??
 
H-si1 as long its eyeclean and spend the difference on a setting.
Other than clarity they are pretty identical.
Is it you that has it reserved?
 
Yeah I have it on reserve. Upon closer inspection I notice a small bubble on the the H SI1 at "6 o''clock".... any thoughts on that?
 
Date: 7/10/2007 8:52:20 PM
Author: squirreldogger
Yeah I have it on reserve. Upon closer inspection I notice a small bubble on the the H SI1 at ''6 o''clock''.... any thoughts on that?
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ask if its eyeclean if so no worries...
 
Date: 7/10/2007 8:52:20 PM
Author: squirreldogger
Yeah I have it on reserve. Upon closer inspection I notice a small bubble on the the H SI1 at '6 o'clock'.... any thoughts on that?
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Well remember that this is at 40X mag and you just noticed it upon closer inspection. If it takes closer inspection to notice at 40X mag is def isn't an issue.

Now, I did notice this inclusion right off the bat, but I also noticed the VS2 right off the bat--like we said, this is FORTY TIMES magnification.

The SI1 looks very promising to me though. If you can't see it from the top then because it is clear it almost certainly won't be an issue from the side, which means that you can take those savings and put them into a platinum ring! or a better design!


anyway, upon an inspection of it from the top and at least asking how readily apparent it is from the side I think it's hands down in favor of the cheaper diamond.
 
I''d save the $ -- 10% of the price isn''t significant. Get the H SI1! You already have it reserved . . .
 
I know it seems like a no brainer!! However the VS2 seems like a really good VS2 no??? All it really has is a little line on the bottom of the stone! Plus there is a little blurb on the SI1''s cert that mentions more inclusions that were "not shown"!! What does that really mean?? The sales rep at Whteflash said that all it means is that they were too small to have ANY significant!! Is that really the case?? It sounds true but....
 
Yes, the WF rep is correct. The not shown stuff is too tiny to mark down on the cert. Save your money and get the H Si1. It's a very good buy. I'd consider this SI1 a very good SI1.
 
Date: 7/10/2007 11:25:11 PM
Author: squirreldogger
I know it seems like a no brainer!! However the VS2 seems like a really good VS2 no??? All it really has is a little line on the bottom of the stone! Plus there is a little blurb on the SI1's cert that mentions more inclusions that were 'not shown'!! What does that really mean?? The sales rep at Whteflash said that all it means is that they were too small to have ANY significant!! Is that really the case?? It sounds true but....
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Remarks in the comments section of a grading report are usually non issues and are only mentioned for the sake of completeness such as clouds not shown, surface graining not shown etc. To include them on the plotting diagram would look messy and off putting to the consumer, as they cause no problem and are not visible, they are acknowledged in this way.

Not shown = non issue.
 
I would also save some money and go with the H SI-1.
 
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