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Please help with opinion on stone. PLEASE?

Discussion in 'RockyTalky' started by Blueman33, Sep 13, 2004.

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  1. Blueman33
    Shiny_Rock

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    by Blueman33 » Sep 13, 2004
    Dear Stonefolks,

    I am purchasing this stone from an internet dealer, but not someone huge on the net like BN, Superbcert, Abazias, WF, etc. The dealer is legit and has a return policy.

    However, when I asked the dealer if the stone had hearts and arrows and what the brilliance scope report was he said that they don''t use those means to judge the cut of a diamond, they use the Sarin Report to judge cut. He said he fully expects the stone to display h & a, they however don''t use h & a viewers or use h & a to market. The company has thousands of diamonds, all diamonds sold are in stock with some available for brokering by other jewelers, and all have GIA and Sarin Reports. They don''t give you a h & a viewer, loup, free shipping, and lovely wood box like some dealers, but seem very reputable based on my converstations and Pricescope posts.

    He said the diamond is top notch and feel free to take it to any appraiser I wish, that they do not recommend appraisers. No questions asked return policy, but only 7 days. The diamond is described as a Super Ideal Cut.

    GIA
    1.16
    Color: I
    Clarity: VS2
    Sym: VG
    Pol: EX
    Depth: 61.8
    Table:56
    $5000

    Sarin Report on the way (email problem), which he says illustrates ''super ideal'' proportions.

    I have been looking for some time and this seems to be an excellent find. What is your opinion from the more experienced folks??????

    Thanks,
    David
     
  2. valeria101
    Super_Ideal_Rock

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    by valeria101 » Sep 13, 2004
    "super ideal" usually means top H&A symmetry beyond "ideal" proportions.

    There are two H&A rounds listed here starting at $5500 (THIS is one of them)... so, your seems to be a relatively good deal.


    From what I read in your post, the stone is a GIA certified one within AGS0 proportions - which Sarin will likely prove. That AGS0 cut grade does imply top symmetry and polish too (better than GIA's "good" for what that matters) - like this 1.06 I,VS2 has (LINK).

    THIS One did not make the house barnd og H&A... and got discounted to a tempting deal, IMO. I suspect your stone might be like this - if GIA also read Ex-Ex and the light return turns out just as nice, of course. [​IMG]


    On the aside, there is really no comparison between Abazias and BN (!) - one is a small venture, the other among the largest internet retailers. Aparently all PS related shops are farely small as far as I can tell - only that database if HUGE and intimidating [​IMG]
     
  3. denverappraiser
    Ideal_Rock
    Trade

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    by denverappraiser » Sep 13, 2004
    David,

    It looks a pretty stone from what you supplied but it will be difficult to give a straight answer without seeing it. You're missing some critical data to do even a basic analysis. It won't count as an ideal because of the symmentry, much less as a super-ideal, whatever that is.

    The description of the seller sounds fine although 7 days is a bit tight on the return period. Make sure you understand which 7 days will count because it's easy to eat up that much in shipping time between them and you. If you use an appraiser that isn't local, you may also lose too much time in the shipping and this may limit your options somewhat.

    Not everyone likes h&a but it's easy enough to buy a viewer yourself and check it out if you want it. I think David Atlas sells them for pretty reasonable prices. I would suggest you order one immediately so that you have it in hand if and when you decide to bring in a stone to look at.

    Don't let the slick websites fool you. The dealers here are pretty small potatoes. Costco, Amazon, Walmart, Home Shopping Network, these are the big boys. Our guys can run circles around them on price and quality but they don't hold a candle for total sales (yet).

    Neil Beaty, GG ISA
    Independent Apprraisals in Denver
     
  4. Blueman33
    Shiny_Rock

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    by Blueman33 » Sep 14, 2004
    I listed the table and depth. The jeweler states:

    Sarin is attached. Please notice everything
    on the stone is rated "0" or ideal. This is as perfect as it gets in terms
    of cut quality.

    SARIN INFO
    Overall Sarin Cut Grade: 0
    Crown: 34.3 degrees 15.2% 0
    Pavillion 41.2 degrees 43.5% 0
    Table 3.75mm 55.3% 0
    Culet 1.0% 0
    Girdle 1.5% 1.0% 1.9% 0
     
  5. Blueman33
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    by Blueman33 » Sep 16, 2004
    Also, I'm not sure whether to

    1. send it to local appraiser (GIA certified)
    2. send to Atlas
    3. buy h & a viwer, ideal scope, and make my own decision.

    Any ideas?
     
  6. Todd07
    Shiny_Rock

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    by Todd07 » Sep 16, 2004
    Send it to Atlas and get a full work up before you buy. This may cost a little more but will give you that extra bit of confidence befor buying.




    Don't fuss over H&A if it's a great cut. The viewer is only good for looking at an unset stone. Once the stone is set, it's a useless tool [​IMG]




    I bought an idealscope and it's a fun thing to have. However, i don't have the experience to really make use of it. An Atlas appraisal will tell you much more.
     
  7. alexah
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    by alexah » Sep 16, 2004
    it scored a 3.1 on the HCA...

    i find this one a tad more tempting [​IMG] with the PS discount you're near $5K...
     
  8. denverappraiser
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    by denverappraiser » Sep 16, 2004

    If you have a local independent appraiser, this will probably be easier, faster and cheaper than dealing with someone out of state. Check the link above for finding a local appraiser.

    Neil Beaty, GG ISA
    Independent Appraisals in Denver
     
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