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Please help me search for my ring so I can get married!!!

Discussion in 'RockyTalky' started by nholagi, Nov 8, 2018.

  1. nholagi
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    by nholagi » Nov 8, 2018
    Hi everyone, I’ve been searching for my ring and it has been very frustrating. We went to a few B&M places and the prices are def so much higher than online. And when I search online, everyone is pretty much recommending those popular sites JA, BN, WF and it came to Ritani which I feel a bit more secure because I could go see it if I want to(I have a few online consultants helping as well as the consultant frm Ritani but then a few people on here didn’t make a pass for those diamonds I picked so now I Get Panicked!!! Becuz I thought the diamonds look pretty good to me already!!!). Then there are ppl talking about the ring get loose or the side diamond get looses,.... so I’m kinda hesitant to order something so expensive online since after purchase, warranty, shipping.... is much more important as well.
    So anyway, my bf kinda let me do all this so I can get something I like, plus I want to make sure we don’t get rip off (hopefully he will still gonna take the other part to surprise me :lol:)
    Now it come down to what I’m looking for n I hope i can get some genuine unbiased advice/help frm you guys. I won’t be proposed until I find my ring!!!!! I mean lol I’m feeling tired already frm this and just want to go pick up something at the mall to get over with :cry2:

    Carat :somewhere around 1.4-1-5
    Color: H-I
    Clarity : VS1.VS2, IS1. Eye clean.
    Cut: triple excellent within the perfect proportions
    Shape: Round
    Ring size: 4
    GIA certified
    I’m looking for the best performance, sparks... within my budget of 10k including the setting(I found a few 14k white gold pave cathedral classic setting that I like and it’s around $1200)
    Do you think I can find something nice within my budget and specs?
     
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  3. beardog
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    by beardog » Nov 9, 2018
    Are you looking for a super ideal diamond? If so, would you be more likely to raise your budget or lower your color/carat?
    Also have you considered going smaller with someone with a good upgrade policy like WF then going bigger down the road
     
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    by sledge » Nov 9, 2018
    Gorgeous proportions! :love:

    Not the biggest fan of this one. Don't like the larger 58 table. Larger table equals smaller upper facets which equal less fire (rainbow light) and more white light return.

    Also, while complimentary, you are pushing the bounds with that steep 36 crown. With GIA funky rounding and averaging the actual individual values will likely creep higher. I definitely would not buy this stone without a confirming idealscope or ASET image.

    That said, I know many that like the steep crowns, even though they fall outside ideal parameters.
     
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    by sledge » Nov 9, 2018
    Copying these from your other thread to this one as they are possible contenders.


    Its not so much that people here are against the other 3 charts you presented in your other post but more because you have to look at the whole picture.

    Hands down, cut is the hardest element of diamond shopping to comprehend. GIA does us NO favors by casting their "excellent" net so damn wide it encompasses complete rubbish. Then as evidenced in the 3 charts you linked earlier, individuals has assessed their own preferences for a well cut stone they've found to be succesful. If you look closely while some minor variances do exist the same general range is still intact.

    Unfortunately as you are learning, its equally important that proportions not only hit recommended ranges but be complimentary to one another. If not then you can find bad combos that don't work well.

    Then as a final layer of complexity the reality is some stones are just more precisely cut which adds to their beauty. This is why the advanced images and videos are helpful to review.

    Between my own recommendations and these others you have some great choices that seem to fit your budget. Is there anything specific on these stones or vendor we can further answer to give you the warm fuzzies so you can pull the trigger?
     
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    by bmfang » Nov 9, 2018
    OP, if you give us an idea of what types of settings you like and have been able to find on other sites (and provide us with links), that will help us bed down the budget for a stone more easily.

    While you may be able to find a setting you like on a site, it may sometimes be good to get that setting custom made by a person such as David Klass who may be able to replicate such a setting cheaper than what you are charged on a particular vendor’s site.
     
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    by nholagi » Nov 9, 2018
    to be honest, with my little knowledge, I was just looking for an excellent cut round diamond with a classic cathedral setting, but somehow this community help me raise my bar to another level.... I was happy with other diamonds until this group helped point out what was wrong with them.
    I was looking for color range H-J but then Im afraid it will look yellow on a white gold setting so I decided to go with H and I.
    i'll be happy with the best diamonds I could find with my price range

    checking them out now..

    so right now I'm waiting for these ASET/idealscope for a few items and with everyone's help I'm down to this FOR NOW...unless someone show me a few more
    setting:
    https://www.whiteflash.com/engageme...tani-1rz2498-diamond-engagement-ring-3921.htm
    https://www.adiamor.com/Engagement-...et-Setting-Diamonds-1-2-way/14KWhiteGold/1703
    https://www.adiamor.com/Engagement-...sket-Engagement-Setting-2mm/14KWhiteGold/1839

    diamond:
    https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...rat-i-color-vs1-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-6054166
    https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/1....1&b=8.871&utm_source=rarecarat&utm_medium=cpc
    https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4001980.htm
    https://www.briangavindiamonds.com/...-ags-c-104101871010#!prettyPhoto[gallery2]/2/
    https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3798130.htm
    https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3986352.htm

    once I have all the images together, I would need your help to narrow it down..
     
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    by nholagi » Nov 10, 2018
    Another thing... I’m going to south philly tomorrow and I’m thinking of stopping by one or two jewelry stores there. I’m for sure the price in philly will be much higher than what everyone has been showing me here (I live in south jersey and visited 2 stores, I didn’t know anything better at the time but I remember they showed me some diamonds around this color n clarity range and it’s in the 16k range!!!).
    So has anyone buy anything in a physical store? Also could you let me know what to do and what to expect? Which stores should I go? What do I tell them when I get there? Like just gonna ask them to show me “h,I, VS1-IS1, eye clean that has CA: 34-35 PA: 40.6-41 Table: 54-57 Depth: 60-62.3 Girdle: Thin to medium, thin to slightly thick; avoid extremes like very thin, thick, very thick”??? I don’t want to sound like demanding but at the same time don’t want to waste my time or being shown something I’m not interested in. What should I say when I walk in then? Please help walk me thru so I don’t get rip off or being pushed on in store. Thanks.
     
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    by sledge » Nov 10, 2018
    I don't like going to most the local stores here. I've found their sales staff to lack the technical depth and training for me to have an enjoyable experience. Most the time I end up speaking to a manager or their gemologist, if they have one on staff, and usually the bulk of their diamonds don't meet my requirements.

    Hopefully you will have the complete the opposite experience.

    In addition to the criteria you already listed, limit your search to GIA or AGS stones. Do not mention, you "read on the internet" as they will dismiss you. Instead, take pictures of the cert and maybe even pictures or videos and write a brief memo about things you liked or didn't like about a particular stone. Also, request the see the stone in a variety of lighting conditions. Jeweler trick 101 is to show you how beautiful their stones look under their lighting. That's not hard, but the reality is that's a fake environment not many of us live in so you want a stone that performs in all conditions.

    Then bring that data back here and share with us so we can further help you. Last time I checked, you had proportions memorized but you didn't really understand how they relate to each other and how to get to a meaningful conclusion with them. And please don't take that negatively as it's not meant that way. You can and will learn how it all works but it's good to have a second opinion when you aren't familiar with the ins and outs.

    I'd say definitely DO NOT buy today. This gives you time to analyze the data, compare the prices and not make an emotional purchase.
     
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    by AV_ » Nov 10, 2018
    I cannot guess what any shop will do with such precise requests for stats.

    Would ask to compare colour grades. Perhaps some example of fluorescence esp. GIA Medium or more. Just to see.

    Then, if they have any H&A brand, see what those look like. The precission of the cut counts beyond proportions.

    Are you interested in any other shape but modern rounds? There is allot to see...
     
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  13. diamondseeker2006
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    by diamondseeker2006 » Nov 10, 2018
    Here's a gorgeous Whiteflash stone that may not have been posted yet. It has ideal dimensions with beautiful images, yet it is a GIA graded stone which is good since they are strict on color grading. Premium Select stones are just GIA graded and can be extremely well cut. My daughter's engagement ring is from WF and is premium select. I'd personally buy this stone, and I am very selective.

    https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4001980.htm

    and I'd go with this setting that you liked, but I'd recommend platinum if you can do it:

    https://www.whiteflash.com/engageme...z2498-diamond-engagement-ring-3920.htm#size=6

    Ask them if they can make the prongs more claw-like.

    This is a really nice quality ring that WF makes:

    https://www.whiteflash.com/engageme...-pave-diamond-engagement-ring-1120.htm#size=6
     
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    by diamondseeker2006 » Nov 10, 2018
    Don't do it. I've been in fine jewelry stores in the city near me, and I can tell you no one is going to have a selection anywhere close to a store like Whiteflash. You are unlikely to find many or any stones with the measurements we recommend, and it is even more unlikely that they have an ASET scope to show light return. You are getting anxious over this, and I am going to tell you that you won't find a better stone in your budget than the one I just posted, seriously.
     
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    by nholagi » Nov 10, 2018
    @sledge thanks for the head up. I appreciate it. I’m still waiting on the ASET frm the above comment so def won’t be making any purchase. I’ve been trying to memorize the specs in my head but I keep messing it up so I’m noting it down on my phone I’ll try to make note on what I see and getting second opinion here
    @AV_ yes I know it’s ridiculous to ask for that when u walk in a store. I was just giving an example question of what I should ask or not. I def will compare color grade since I want a white gold setting. And I’m only interested in round shape. I was going back and forth and I know I always like round so that will be it.
     
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    by OoohShiny » Nov 10, 2018
    If you want to visit a bricks and mortar store, nholagi, these are very wise words - I would second them.


    Ask to see GIA-graded stones in different colours - perhaps F through to K - and with different levels of fluorescence.

    Ask to see the colours in different lighting conditions - ask to view them standing by the window, away from the magic lights the stores use.

    Ask to compare 'normal' stones and 'hearts and arrows' stones - perhaps two similar stones (size, colour) but with one H&A and one not.
     
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    by diamondseeker2006 » Nov 10, 2018
    I see that you have the stone I posted in your list above. It would be the best choice if the idea of upgrading would ever be a possibility.

    https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4001980.htm

    If there is zero chance of an upgrade, I like this one, also, but I trust WF more for quality settings:

    https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/1....1&b=8.871&utm_source=rarecarat&utm_medium=cpc

    But ONLY with this setting, because the other is only 1.5mm and too thin.

    https://www.adiamor.com/Engagement-...sket-Engagement-Setting-2mm/14KWhiteGold/1839
     
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    by nholagi » Nov 10, 2018
    Thanks everyone for your advice!!! I’m very overwhelmed with all these info.

    @diamondseeker2006 so I read up somewhere and they said not to go with anything under 1.75mm band cuz it’s too thin. And I do like a thin looking band with even width all around. 2-2.5mm is something I like and I tried it on before. Can you explain why you like platinum over white gold? I’m picking 14k cuz it saves a few hundred and it’s stronger than 18k cuz it has less gold. Also, I like the Ritani setting with the claw-like prong like you said but I didn’t know I can ask them to do that. That’s good to know!
     
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    by diamondnewbieny » Nov 10, 2018
    Maybe I can help out a little. 14k And 18k gold have mixture in it that is not completely white, when they finish the ring they dip it in rodium to give it a shiny white look. Over time you can see it does not look as white as it use to be. Maybe you will want to re dip your ring. You might not mind it at all, and redipping should not cost too much.

    If it is still within budget, I think platinum is better. But if you think you might upgrade the diamond or get a new setting later in the future, I would go for 14k.
     
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    by nholagi » Nov 11, 2018 at 7:24 PM
    So I never made it to any Jewelry stores since I ran out of time....
     
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    by diamondseeker2006 » Nov 11, 2018 at 7:35 PM
    I honestly think that's for the best as they would have tried hard to talk you into buying something! You've been shown some great stones here, and I don't think you can find better quality for a lower price at any jewelry store.
     
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    by nholagi » Nov 11, 2018 at 8:24 PM
    So since I never made it to the store. Could I get some expert help comparing with these choices below please?

    setting:
    1/ https://www.whiteflash.com/engageme...tani-1rz2498-diamond-engagement-ring-3921.htm
    ( WF confirm that the prong could be finish in the claw like, they’re also gonna help looking for more setting that I described)
    2/ https://www.adiamor.com/Engagement-...sket-Engagement-Setting-2mm/14KWhiteGold/1839
    (Base on the advice above)

    diamond:
    1/ https://www.jamesallen.com/loose-di...rat-i-color-vs1-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-6054166
    ( I realized it’s not GIA but AGS instead. Did someone mention they don’t have the #laser so you might not get the diamond they’re advertised??? On the report has light performance picture and I also received the Idealscope images. They confirm that it’s white and eye clean)

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    2/ https://www.adiamor.com/Diamonds/1....1&b=8.871&utm_source=rarecarat&utm_medium=cpc
    (I sent out an email request as well a chat request for the ASET/Idealscope and they replied to the email yesterday to tell me it’s not available. While the chat agent said will put in a request and might take a few days so let’s see if I get a response on that. Would this be a great company to work with? I keep getting the weird vibe like they don’t need customers. Not very enthusiastic.... other companies would be more like we don’t have it but we would try this and that to get it for you and willl be in touch...
    So anyway, if there isn’t any of the ASET/ Idealscopes available, and only base on the picture, video, measurements, and GiA report would this a good diamond to buy? Someone point out the lower price on another website so I’ll try to get price match on this as well if possible)

    3/ https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-4001980.htm
    I had this on reserved with the advice above. The lady I talked to got nervous for a bit when she heard a female voice on the phone(I should’ve warned her lol)

    4/ https://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3986352.htm

    The lady told me that #3 is a great choice but I think she was leaning toward the #4. Since I can only put 1 on hold I picked #3. She said she will have someone check both for me. Could someone explain to me which one is a better choice between 3 and 4 and why? And which one has better value or best performance?

    In the mean time, Ritani rep is reaching out and said they should be able to show me a few more stones with ASET images available tomorrow (i feel like I’m all over the places and I feel bad all the reps are working to help me to buy one diamond that could end up not from them... is it normal or not to shop around way too many places??)

    I guess since I’m not a pro like you guys, I’m not having such high expectation on the whole thing as long as we get a great deal, not getting rip off and it’s a nice shiny sparkle eye clean diamond ring under either night or day lights that would last me forever(and maybe a few ‘wow’ frm people) with the money we have -around 10k-then I’m happy. (Wait is this low or high expectation??? Lol) it’s an expensive item so I don’t think I want to upgrade (at least for now that’s how I think)
    So would you guys help chime in with your advices??? THANK YOU!!!
     
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    by diamondseeker2006 » Nov 11, 2018 at 8:38 PM
    Well,#3 from Whiteflash is I color and #4 is J, so I still would choose the I VS2 even though it is not "A Cut Above" because I can see the tint in J color stones. I think the I color stone looks beautifully cut. Even though you may never plan to upgrade, it is possible at some point you might wish you had a higher color or larger stone, and that upgrade policy is there if you ever changed your mind.

    To me, WF has a good stone and the Ritani setting you really want, so that seems like the easy choice. I personally wouldn't be dealing with Ritani for diamonds at this point. I think you've done plenty of comparison shopping already. There's such a thing as getting overwhelmed by looking at TOO much!
     
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    by diamondnewbieny » Nov 11, 2018 at 9:09 PM
    Hi,
    #3 is GIA, not a hearts and arrows, higher color, higher price.
    #4 is AGS, hearts and arrows, lower color, cheaper price.

    Both are very beautiful diamond and it really comes down to your preferences.

    I personally don’t mind the J color diamond, I guess that mean I am not color sensitive. My first diamond was a H color and it bugged me because I didn’t like the idea of knowing I don’t have a colorless diamond, then I upgraded to E color diamond. I did see a different in the color, but it was not enough for me to pay the difference. Now I have a J color and very happy. Not that I don’t see the hint of warmth. Just personal preference, and I use the money to get a bigger size instead of using it in color. With out a colorless diamond next to the J, it is difficult to see the difference. My H and E are graded by GIA, J is graded by AGS.
     
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    by nholagi » Nov 11, 2018 at 9:09 PM
    Wow very informative!!! Now I’m rethinking of my setting choice if I should get a cathedral setting or not... could you look at the above post and let me know what you think of the 2 settings I choose?
     
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    by nholagi » Nov 11, 2018 at 9:24 PM
    Sorry if I miss it. Could I get advice on all 4 diamonds. Not just 3 and 4? Maybe a vote for each one?
     
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    by lovedogs » Nov 11, 2018 at 9:37 PM
    I think you should stick to WF for both setting and ring. I don't think it's worth the added hassle of buying a stone from JA and then sending to WF for setting. Plus, customer service from WF is top notch. That's why people are only talking about diamonds 3/4, because it doesn't really make sense to look at the other ones.

    I wouldn't consider anything without an ideal-scope or ASET, because the other stones have them. So 2 is a no for me. I like stone 1, but again I trust WF--their selection and customer service really can't be beat.

    Between 3 and 4 I would go with the J, but that's because I'm not color sensitive. I think either one is a good choice.
     
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    by diamondnewbieny » Nov 11, 2018 at 9:45 PM
    I think all 4 diamonds you pick out are beautiful diamonds. I just explained about #3 and 4 because I think whiteflash have the best upgrade system. You just need to spend $1 more to upgrade and change your diamond. Which means even if you bought A diamond that you are not happy with it, you can pick another diamond with no problem. That tells me how confident they are with their diamonds.

    Out of 4 of the diamonds I am choosing #4 and I explained my reasons above. Also I would get setting #1 in platinum from whiteflash as well. Try your best to get the diamond and the setting from the same jeweler. You don’t want another headache of finding a great setter to set your diamond. I say to get the setting in platinum so that you don’t have to worry about replating your ring. I personally like platinum because I am allergic to some vendors mixture in 14/18k gold.

    With the #4 diamond and the #1 setting in platinum both from whiteflash, you are still within $10k budget!
     
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